Democratic Primaries

maddiemom

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228. Yes, it's the yelling that turns me off. It's as if we're always being scolded...

Mon Feb 24, 2020, 12:59 PM

Feb 2020

even if most of it isn't directed at us. He gets so red in the face that, especially since his heart attack I keep being worried that he'll stroke out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Can we have an honest conversation about Bernie? [View all] NanceGreggs Feb 2020 OP

Awesome summary and perspective. Thanks. n/t CincyDem Feb 2020 #1

Can sum this up. You hate Bernie and everyone should vote for the candidate you prefer Rilgin Feb 2020 #46

Yes! Many of us would have preferred to vote for more progressive candidates in the past. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #104

Your ignoring the facts MFM008 Feb 2020 #133

That's exactly what I worry about. calimary Feb 2020 #209

Sooner ot later we need to have this discussion Gobbierella Feb 2020 #242

Franken leaned moderate. blm Feb 2020 #284

He was pretty progressive. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #285

Yes, he is progressive and leans moderate. blm Feb 2020 #286

Bernie is very uninspiring and ineffective Rene Feb 2020 #171

Biden is very uninspiring and ineffective Boomer Feb 2020 #184

Biden Brings War Baggage McKim Feb 2020 #188

Biden is definitely Inspiring with excellent experience and Cha Feb 2020 #295

Your subjective opinion, not mine Boomer Feb 2020 #297

What was the name of Clinton's cat? rzemanfl Feb 2020 #185

Socks. calimary Feb 2020 #220

Yeah, you are right. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #195

The American public, since the Cold War days, have been convinced luvtheGWN Feb 2020 #213

Well said. maddiemom Feb 2020 #221

Democratic socialism llashram Feb 2020 #225

Eugene V. Debs is a hero to many informed/intelligent people. Stainless Feb 2020 #233

okay llashram Feb 2020 #256

Unfailing certainty is great prose. Rilgin Feb 2020 #232

OK. Tell me what are the projected wnylib Feb 2020 #250

Just so you know, luvtheGWN Feb 2020 #262

Agreed and this should be an OP. MarcA Feb 2020 #235

That's pretty much why I've quit coming around here. beerandjesus Feb 2020 #243

Vote for the most right wing candidate? LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #289

You just reinforced her point🙄. we can do it Feb 2020 #277

No hate here milan755803 Feb 2020 #278

Thank you for your reasoned response and welcome to DU! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2020 #296

Once again you have hit the nail on the head. COLGATE4 Feb 2020 #65

Sander's statements praising communistic regimes many believe will sink him and our party. olegramps Feb 2020 #269

Lee Atwater would have pouced on that just like he did LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #290

+1000 aeromanKC Feb 2020 #2

Very well said. I believe Mr Sanders will have no coattails. apcalc Feb 2020 #3

Nance Now Explain Why So Many Voted For Obama Then Voted For Trump? DanieRains Feb 2020 #95

Why so many voted for Obama then voted for Trump: betsuni Feb 2020 #149

Spot on. n/t AverageJoe Feb 2020 #207

Excellent! leftieNanner Feb 2020 #4

We shouldn't have to sacrifice the country so BS can go out in a blaze of glory. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #5

He won't care. AZ8theist Feb 2020 #59

X100! COLGATE4 Feb 2020 #189

That's another thing that still bothers me about him. calimary Feb 2020 #229

. dalton99a Feb 2020 #66

The way I read the delegate and convention rules it would disqualify him. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #291

k&r Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2020 #6

Bernie is a formidable Democratic primary candidate BeyondGeography Feb 2020 #7

Political sites don't represent American voters. MisterFred Feb 2020 #8

I tried to make this point a while ago ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #197

Love your username. nt MisterFred Feb 2020 #199

Those bickering are trying to take people away from Sanders Perseus Feb 2020 #275

By far, this is the best OP I've read all day. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #9

Ditto defacto7 Feb 2020 #93

Why start now? Bonobo Feb 2020 #10

So Trump is defending Bernie ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #15

And there is is. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #80

Hold on for a second jmowreader Feb 2020 #17

Trump's Camp is definitely gonna play this during the GE cheezmaka Feb 2020 #172

He's said that numerous times Progressive dog Feb 2020 #217

"Starting with the lie that he is a socialist " TwilightZone Feb 2020 #18

What will be funny....and downright sad.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #98

x 1000! peggysue2 Feb 2020 #121

BS has no idea how he is going to pay for all of the sh't he has promised everyone democratisphere Feb 2020 #22

We are a reality based community, Bonobo. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #54

So if Bernie drops out and Putin switches his support to Biden will you expect Biden to drop out? ripcord Feb 2020 #84

Putin would not switch his support to Biden. Maybe to Gabbard. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #94

Trump and Putin are trying to sow discord and divisiveness in the Democratic Party. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #108

+1! tecelote Feb 2020 #147

Im old enough to remember MFM008 Feb 2020 #134

Sweden does have socialized medicine. Bernie wants to copy it Progressive dog Feb 2020 #224

You'll fail to see the irony in your allegation of others being dishonest. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #248

A great post and accurate summary dalton99a Feb 2020 #11

Really well said! DonaldsRump Feb 2020 #12

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #255

Thank you Nance this is the most ugly primary rwheeler31 Feb 2020 #13

K and R BadgerMom Feb 2020 #14

Thank you relayerbob Feb 2020 #16

The moderates won't. Blue_true Feb 2020 #31

Didn't say they would relayerbob Feb 2020 #34

If they don't withdraw, at some point Sanders will have too much momentum, like Trump in 16. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #41

Yeah, it has a lot of simularities. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #77

On Stephanie Miller's show last week, Haggis for Breakfast Feb 2020 #19

Damn.. we knew it! Cha Feb 2020 #127

He wins nearly every demographic of Democratic voters Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #20

Ditto. Go, Bernie. Doitnow Feb 2020 #71

As a friend of mine put it: madamesilverspurs Feb 2020 #21

That would mean the Democrats will win the presidency? Yavin4 Feb 2020 #28

Here? No...I don't think we can. TCJ70 Feb 2020 #23

My thoughts exactly. The question made me chuckle. Steelrolled Feb 2020 #24

Yeah, I know. NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #25

Works both ways. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #30

yep ibegurpard Feb 2020 #138

good handmade34 Feb 2020 #26

Chances of "socialism" gaining ground in the swing states are approximately zero. dalton99a Feb 2020 #29

That was my point ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #35

If everything you've posted is true and is well known, why can't Biden defeat him? Yavin4 Feb 2020 #27

Vote Blue no Matter Who handmade34 Feb 2020 #85

That is a very good point AverageJoe Feb 2020 #112

Ha! "to this point" fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #126

Swing States. Cha Feb 2020 #129

Republican project chaos, influence of Russian misinformation and influence NoMoreRepugs Feb 2020 #206

THIS! THIS! THIS! democratisphere Feb 2020 #32

Well, why aren't they? Nobody is stopping them. Doitnow Feb 2020 #81

Sometimes when someone repeats the same thing over and over democratisphere Feb 2020 #97

Some people aren't paying attention when Bernie has explained how he does pay for his plans. I'd Doitnow Feb 2020 #201

The majority of vehicles still run on fossil fuels and will for the immediate future. democratisphere Feb 2020 #214

Most of that will have to change or we won't have a planet. Meantime there are many solutions Doitnow Feb 2020 #247

Unfortunately, every generation needs their George McGovern. But it's bad timing. Hoyt Feb 2020 #33

Does every generation need their Walter Mondale too? denem Feb 2020 #50

Agree. He still lost big time, and I still support him. Hoyt Feb 2020 #57

It was not McGovern's fault that Nixon ratfucked Muskie. denem Feb 2020 #69

The election results eviscerated McGovern. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #64

One of my favorite McGovern stories involved John Kerry. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #70

Failure is an orphan. denem Feb 2020 #79

And can you appreciate why I might be offended, denem Feb 2020 #73

Sure, if he was being compared to him as a person. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #90

Yep. denem Feb 2020 #91

Bad timing, indeed! peggysue2 Feb 2020 #128

KnR sheshe2 Feb 2020 #36

Im sorry your guy Biden is not doing well fallout87 Feb 2020 #37

Bernie doing well or not doing well ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #44

And we aren't at the GE fallout87 Feb 2020 #198

you just proved her point nini Feb 2020 #257

Thank you for a clear assessment PatSeg Feb 2020 #38

Bernie angst is overdone Pantagruel Feb 2020 #39

Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most so Sanders is worse uponit7771 Feb 2020 #210

Thank you for taking the time to articulate this. :) nt Sloumeau Feb 2020 #40

Nobody will believe that republicans will vote for ANY Dem. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #42

The die-hard Trump-humping 'base' ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #48

I agree. But so many here just wont listen to that reality. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #78

I wonder who these guys will vote for.... yuiyoshida Feb 2020 #113

THIS is how idiot people have become. And yet, they wrap themselves in the flag Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #208

Because they won't ibegurpard Feb 2020 #137

Here in the Philly burbs in PA, my middle age women and some men apcalc Feb 2020 #167

But people wont believe you. I know a few of those people too; here in GA. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #293

In the latest Gallup poll on Party affilication, 42% were Independents Martin Eden Feb 2020 #237

FDR hz-xlnc Feb 2020 #43

Sanders isn't FDR. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #45

The Socialist Party opposed FDR. They had their own candidate, Eugene Debs, Bernie's hero. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #67

truth hz-xlnc Feb 2020 #82

Dems and the GOP are not the same when it comes to workers' rights. Debs lied. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #86

And, she just posted the "Truth". Cha Feb 2020 #131

holy mother of god lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #164

Lol. The GOP is going to use stuff like this to KPN Feb 2020 #178

hz-xlnc..I knew FDR..Sen Sanders is no FDR......for the alert...it's a joke based on AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #238

Balanced, fair and sadly true. I say sadly because it seems Bernie might win the nom. And all your emmaverybo Feb 2020 #47

Don't you think members within the party should take some responsibility dbolski Feb 2020 #49

He's not a member of my own party. n/t NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #62

Oh well then you should have told him that before you let him run on your ticket. dbolski Feb 2020 #116

I wasn't the one who 'let' him. NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #150

We had no say in it or he wouldn't be on our ticket. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #177

Not only is he a member of your own party AverageJoe Feb 2020 #204

it's not like people outside these sites RazBerryBeret Feb 2020 #51

or we can boil this all down kozar Feb 2020 #52

First, I like Bernie's drive to make America a more just society. That said, I think he is divisive. Capt. America Feb 2020 #53

Yes, it's the yelling that turns me off. It's as if we're always being scolded... maddiemom Feb 2020 #228

I think you answered your own question: Ron Green Feb 2020 #55

Sanders himself said in 1972 that he didn't mind being called a communist. RW media are making highplainsdem Feb 2020 #56

Oh no! You too? notinkansas Feb 2020 #58

Stating facts is not Bernie bashing. It is vetting. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #61

Thanks for making my point. NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #68

"I am only writing this to say that there are legitimate reasons for many of us... pazzyanne Feb 2020 #60

It's impossible to talk to a brick wall. William769 Feb 2020 #63

I do not support Putin. rusty quoin Feb 2020 #72

K & R SunSeeker Feb 2020 #74

+10000 EXACTLY!! I have been trying to say exactly this in different posts. Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #75

2020: Cult vs Cult? world wide wally Feb 2020 #76

Bros vs Redhats dalton99a Feb 2020 #212

Your posts are better when you use anaphora. Please start every paragraph with the same words. lutherj Feb 2020 #83

I agree completely NCProgressive Feb 2020 #87

Pure BS Anniem60 Feb 2020 #88

Honest question...what has the Senator gotten done in his... as you say..40 yrs? AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #239

We can't have an honest discussion here NYMinute Feb 2020 #89

You are joking, right? ZZenith Feb 2020 #114

.... Hekate Feb 2020 #119

4th-to-last paragraph: my fears exactly. n/t Beartracks Feb 2020 #92

Thank you, NG. Clearly and powerfully said. defacto7 Feb 2020 #96

Brava, Nance.. Brilliant analysis! Many of Cha Feb 2020 #99

Your "honest conversation" about Bernie is nothing but a list of criticisms Bluepinky Feb 2020 #100

"It's pretty condescending to suggest ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #105

OK, I think we should get behind whatever candidate wins the nomination. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #117

He benefitted from misrepresenting his own stances on immigration and the Obama emmaverybo Feb 2020 #123

I agree... yuiyoshida Feb 2020 #101

My problem is that he seems to enjoy alienating those of us who will eventually have to vote- dawg day Feb 2020 #102

Nance, you're on the money. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2020 #103

Democratic establishment into panic mode zak247 Feb 2020 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #107

As I have stated here several times now ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #122

Nancegreggs just said not support of Sanders, but against Trump. Why wouldn't you respect LizBeth Feb 2020 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #140

The difference to being respectful for another, or not being respectful. LizBeth Feb 2020 #141

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Ah, you know better. Thank you. LizBeth Feb 2020 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #144

classy! nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #179

I'm a committed Democrat AverageJoe Feb 2020 #109

Well said! I agree with your sentiments. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #118

Credit where it is due. Laelth Feb 2020 #111

Bernie can easily lose zak247 Feb 2020 #115

Thanks as always, Nance Hekate Feb 2020 #120

Is Bernie too rigid? zak247 Feb 2020 #124

An excellent post hangaleft Feb 2020 #125

I agree 1000% with what you say pink Feb 2020 #130

Kick lamp_shade Feb 2020 #132

Tell me about credit cards! thewhollytoast Feb 2020 #135

THANK YOU !!! Most Sanders supporters will NOT answer about losing Florida uponit7771 Feb 2020 #136

He is tainted now Meowmee Feb 2020 #145

Have you read this pamphlet? pertello Feb 2020 #146

Apparently not. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #148

Apparently not. B Stieg Feb 2020 #151

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #152

Thanks! K&R reACTIONary Feb 2020 #153

This isn't a conversation about Bernie. This is your opinion about Bernie. YOHABLO Feb 2020 #154

"Identity politics" ehrnst Feb 2020 #219

Sanders has formed a diverse coalition. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #155

Isn't it funny how many of the same Democrats who attack Bernie for not being a Democrat ... markpkessinger Feb 2020 #156

And also just saying ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #159

Pointing out a double standard is not a "what about him" meme ... markpkessinger Feb 2020 #161

Exactly. KPN Feb 2020 #187

BS is running a traitortrump campaign, based on 'facts don't exist' as N Greggs noted above. empedocles Feb 2020 #157

Thank you. I agree with all that. Problem is, I also agree with the math that says he's our likely c Squinch Feb 2020 #158

We don't need the people cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #160

This is the first time LittleGirl Feb 2020 #162

Powerful essay, Democrats must face reality if they are going to win in November bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #163

One last point lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #165

That's a VERY good point! n/t NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #168

As a young ( very young ) manager of a group of programmers lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #169

Excellent analogy! Still Sensible Feb 2020 #254

Didactic preaching and worn out attack points. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #166

Facts? The data points to the opposite of what you say. DanTex Feb 2020 #170

Just look at the pages of the DU. hughee99 Feb 2020 #175

Great post Nance Gothmog Feb 2020 #173

If the GOP Congress refuses, he may have to ask Mexico dalton99a Feb 2020 #211

Funny how Bernie zentrum Feb 2020 #174

thank you samnsara Feb 2020 #176

Maybe we would like him more if he didn't bad-mouth us all the time. Hate goes both ways. Walleye Feb 2020 #180

No we cannot. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #181

Bullseye, NanceGregg. Paladin Feb 2020 #182

Thank you! gradmaster Feb 2020 #183

What I don't understand is this: we have a president who knows that in2herbs Feb 2020 #186

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #190

Apparently not. Is that what you call conversation? KPN Feb 2020 #191

A perceived socialist/revolution ticket is a disaster for any party. nt oasis Feb 2020 #192

OP could use a title change. Berniesbiggestfan Feb 2020 #193

Or you could take it as a set of criticisms to consider Mersky Feb 2020 #200

Interesting first post. You obviously don't know who you are mocking. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #203

But...but... Trumps loves him! McCamy Taylor Feb 2020 #194

Thanks, NanceGreggs, wendyb-NC Feb 2020 #196

Thank you Nancy Peacetrain Feb 2020 #202

This x1000! mcar Feb 2020 #205

All of your posts are highly insightful, but this one... NNadir Feb 2020 #215

This is just another list of excuses. Jirel Feb 2020 #216

Thank you Progressive dog Feb 2020 #218

good comment!! subana Feb 2020 #222

you are right llashram Feb 2020 #223

Let's change that conversation ... ananda Feb 2020 #226

Good points, though I love Bernie E. Warren is the one... judy Feb 2020 #227

Bernie knows, like Trump, it doesn't matter what you can actually achieve, Baked Potato Feb 2020 #230

There are always legit reasons for some to want the frontrunner to NOT win. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #231

So much truth here! Firebrand Gary Feb 2020 #234

Insouciance is the word of the day Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #236

Probably not. Harker Feb 2020 #240

"Insisting that moderate Republicans will somehow come around..." lagomorph777 Feb 2020 #241

We need new voters to win Gobbierella Feb 2020 #244

+1 Something like 44 million left-leaning people sat out 2016. lagomorph777 Feb 2020 #245

If an added inducement beyond ousting Trumpsky is needed Harker Feb 2020 #249

If we're being honest Gobbierella Feb 2020 #263

+1 Also we have to help them overcome suppression. lagomorph777 Feb 2020 #264

This is the grassroots we need Gobbierella Feb 2020 #268

"Honest" (snort) beerandjesus Feb 2020 #246

Bernie's too good for the Democratic Party until he needs it for something. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #251

No, we can't. People get their posts deleted if he/she has an "honest" converation about Bernie. efhmc Feb 2020 #252

I stopped coming to DU in 2015 MosesYastrzemski Feb 2020 #253

Maybe it's time for a new tactic Gobbierella Feb 2020 #270

"Bernie is an extremely divisive figure in our party." We see this right here, right now. Stuart G Feb 2020 #258

Bernie's Followers Lotus54 Feb 2020 #259

Thank you! R B Garr Feb 2020 #260

All of that worked for Trump IronLionZion Feb 2020 #261

Excellent post and I agree with you. llmart Feb 2020 #265

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #266

It's the "down ballot votes, stupid!" disndat Feb 2020 #267

Not a chance. He's too polarizing here at DU Warpy Feb 2020 #271

Florida Democratic Party disavows Sanders. Gothmog Feb 2020 #272

Wow! Cha Feb 2020 #300

77, heart attack, no medical records, yells a lot trof Feb 2020 #273

I would never dispute your honesty, but 1st time I dont agree w u Perseus Feb 2020 #274

Thank you for this. we can do it Feb 2020 #276

This OP is honest, maybe, BlueWI Feb 2020 #279

Well, okay then. warmfeet Feb 2020 #280

Why does this question ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #282

of course he/she hasn't. But he/she knows that in 2016... wyldwolf Feb 2020 #283

Bernie has made it clear throughout his political career that he hates my party. tarheelsunc Feb 2020 #281

THANK YOU Nance Skittles Feb 2020 #287

My Responses in brackets and italics LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #288

Thanks, NanceGreggs! LaMouffette Feb 2020 #292

53% of Americans will not vote for a Socialist cheezmaka Feb 2020 #294

sanders' plan to pay for proposals does not add up Gothmog Feb 2020 #298

Just as we thought. TY Cha Feb 2020 #299