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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Can we have an honest conversation about Bernie? [View all]subana
(586 posts)222. good comment!!
Many Democrats resent his use of our party when its convenient for him, rather than being committed to the party full stop.
I resent him for only identifying as a democrat once every 4 years! I want someone at the top of our ticket who is an actual democrat & will support democratic issues after the election!! Every time after an election ends, Bernie goes back to being an independent. I know he says if he becomes the nominee or president that he will govern as a dem but there's no reason to believe he actually will do that!
The socialist label has never been a problem for me.
The fact that Bernie supporters alone push the idea that not supporting Bernie is a result of some unfounded hatred rather than a well thought-out preference for someone else speaks for itself.
You don't have to hate a candidate simply because you don't like where they stand on the issues! That reminds me of the time when a journalist asked Pelosi why she hates Trump. She took issue with that comment & said she doesn't hate anyone. It's not about hate, it's about who is the best person to lead the party!
Bernie is divisive at a time when we need to be united and that doesnt bode well for beating Trump in November. If Bernie cant unite Democrats, he wont be uniting the country any time soon.
exactly! If our #1 goal is to kick Trump out of office, we can't afford to screw this up.
We need a candidate who offers viable solutions to the nations problems NOT a candidate who is causing division among our own party members, while making pie-in-the-sky campaign promises that have zero chance of ever coming to fruition.
He loves to talk about the wonderful things his medicare for all plan offers but he has much less to say about how he will get it through congress or how to pay for it! Even his own state considered implementing that plan but they declined to do it. And if you can't pass a generous plan like that in Vermont, how are you going to do it nationally?
You need 60 votes in the Senate to pass any legislation so unless he's planning on electing 10 - 12 dem Senators, it has no chance even if Bernie is elected.
If by some miracle it does become law, what do you think republicans will do to it the next time they win the White House? After the ACA was passed, they voted countless times to try to repeal it. Donnie tried to do the same thing but it was too complicated to just get rid of so he decided to defund it. Bernie's plan seeks to eliminate health insurance completely. So what do you think will happen after Bernie has eliminated health insurance & a republican administration eliminates Bernie's plan? Then no one could afford to see a doctor!
And btw, it isn't really medicare for all anyway. Bernie's plan would not charge any cost to the people, govt would pay for all of it but that's not what medicare does. Medicare charges a yearly premium & it also does not pay for everything.
But ignoring the facts about his chances is political suicide.
The only sure way to give Trump another 4 yrs is to make Sanders the nominee!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Can sum this up. You hate Bernie and everyone should vote for the candidate you prefer
Rilgin
Feb 2020
#46
Yes! Many of us would have preferred to vote for more progressive candidates in the past.
Bluepinky
Feb 2020
#104
Sander's statements praising communistic regimes many believe will sink him and our party.
olegramps
Feb 2020
#269
We shouldn't have to sacrifice the country so BS can go out in a blaze of glory.
Hermit-The-Prog
Feb 2020
#5
The way I read the delegate and convention rules it would disqualify him.
LiberalFighter
Feb 2020
#291
BS has no idea how he is going to pay for all of the sh't he has promised everyone
democratisphere
Feb 2020
#22
So if Bernie drops out and Putin switches his support to Biden will you expect Biden to drop out?
ripcord
Feb 2020
#84
Trump and Putin are trying to sow discord and divisiveness in the Democratic Party.
Bluepinky
Feb 2020
#108
You'll fail to see the irony in your allegation of others being dishonest.
LanternWaste
Feb 2020
#248
If they don't withdraw, at some point Sanders will have too much momentum, like Trump in 16. nt
Blue_true
Feb 2020
#41
Chances of "socialism" gaining ground in the swing states are approximately zero.
dalton99a
Feb 2020
#29
If everything you've posted is true and is well known, why can't Biden defeat him?
Yavin4
Feb 2020
#27
Republican project chaos, influence of Russian misinformation and influence
NoMoreRepugs
Feb 2020
#206
Some people aren't paying attention when Bernie has explained how he does pay for his plans. I'd
Doitnow
Feb 2020
#201
The majority of vehicles still run on fossil fuels and will for the immediate future.
democratisphere
Feb 2020
#214
Most of that will have to change or we won't have a planet. Meantime there are many solutions
Doitnow
Feb 2020
#247
Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most so Sanders is worse
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#210
THIS is how idiot people have become. And yet, they wrap themselves in the flag
Vivienne235729
Feb 2020
#208
The Socialist Party opposed FDR. They had their own candidate, Eugene Debs, Bernie's hero.
SunSeeker
Feb 2020
#67
Dems and the GOP are not the same when it comes to workers' rights. Debs lied.
SunSeeker
Feb 2020
#86
hz-xlnc..I knew FDR..Sen Sanders is no FDR......for the alert...it's a joke based on
AncientGeezer
Feb 2020
#238
Balanced, fair and sadly true. I say sadly because it seems Bernie might win the nom. And all your
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#47
Oh well then you should have told him that before you let him run on your ticket.
dbolski
Feb 2020
#116
First, I like Bernie's drive to make America a more just society. That said, I think he is divisive.
Capt. America
Feb 2020
#53
Yes, it's the yelling that turns me off. It's as if we're always being scolded...
maddiemom
Feb 2020
#228
Sanders himself said in 1972 that he didn't mind being called a communist. RW media are making
highplainsdem
Feb 2020
#56
"I am only writing this to say that there are legitimate reasons for many of us...
pazzyanne
Feb 2020
#60
+10000 EXACTLY!! I have been trying to say exactly this in different posts.
Vivienne235729
Feb 2020
#75
Your posts are better when you use anaphora. Please start every paragraph with the same words.
lutherj
Feb 2020
#83
Honest question...what has the Senator gotten done in his... as you say..40 yrs?
AncientGeezer
Feb 2020
#239
He benefitted from misrepresenting his own stances on immigration and the Obama
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#123
My problem is that he seems to enjoy alienating those of us who will eventually have to vote-
dawg day
Feb 2020
#102
Nancegreggs just said not support of Sanders, but against Trump. Why wouldn't you respect
LizBeth
Feb 2020
#139
Isn't it funny how many of the same Democrats who attack Bernie for not being a Democrat ...
markpkessinger
Feb 2020
#156
BS is running a traitortrump campaign, based on 'facts don't exist' as N Greggs noted above.
empedocles
Feb 2020
#157
Thank you. I agree with all that. Problem is, I also agree with the math that says he's our likely c
Squinch
Feb 2020
#158
Powerful essay, Democrats must face reality if they are going to win in November
bucolic_frolic
Feb 2020
#163
Maybe we would like him more if he didn't bad-mouth us all the time. Hate goes both ways.
Walleye
Feb 2020
#180
Bernie knows, like Trump, it doesn't matter what you can actually achieve,
Baked Potato
Feb 2020
#230
Bernie's too good for the Democratic Party until he needs it for something.
PubliusEnigma
Feb 2020
#251
No, we can't. People get their posts deleted if he/she has an "honest" converation about Bernie.
efhmc
Feb 2020
#252
"Bernie is an extremely divisive figure in our party." We see this right here, right now.
Stuart G
Feb 2020
#258
Bernie has made it clear throughout his political career that he hates my party.
tarheelsunc
Feb 2020
#281