Democratic Primaries

Doremus

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147. Sanders has a large independent base

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:13 AM

Feb 2020

More than any other candidate. Are you suggesting that someone else, with LESS crossover appeal, will somehow get more indie votes in the general?

If a voter is so conservative as to prefer voting for trump than ANY (D), were kidding ourselves to think if we somehow offered a more republican-lite candidate they would have voted for them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Why can't Sanders realize that he shouldn't be running? [View all] Tennessee Hillbilly Feb 2020 OP

He's winning. HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #1

He's winning against the balkanized middle in the Democratic primaries. gembaby1 Feb 2020 #25

agree 40RatRod Feb 2020 #73

The legion of Republican voters that haven't garnered more John Fante Feb 2020 #205

We shall see leftieNanner Feb 2020 #28

His win enid602 Feb 2020 #31

No, you're bein WAY too logical! The more Bernie increases the lead, the more he needs to quit!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #41

There is a HUGE difference between wnylib Feb 2020 #98

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #126

⭐⭐⭐ Beautifully explained! Thank you! ⭐⭐⭐ NurseJackie Feb 2020 #143

Sanders has a large independent base Doremus Feb 2020 #147

So if Sanders has such a large Indie wnylib Feb 2020 #149

If any of the senators don't get the nomination Doremus Feb 2020 #150

Second fiddle? Sure. After all, Johnson wnylib Feb 2020 #157

PS wnylib Feb 2020 #160

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were both centrists. MoonRiver Feb 2020 #158

I think centrism, at the moment, is wnylib Feb 2020 #161

Well said! I totally agree! MoonRiver Feb 2020 #169

Do you really think that Sanders as a third party candidate would have Bettie Feb 2020 #177

Finally, some sense!! I applaud you... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #179

No, I do not. My point is that he wnylib Feb 2020 #193

I agree with Biden/Warren Baked Potato Feb 2020 #178

I like the "Warren" part!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #180

Warren/Harris would wake them up! Baked Potato Feb 2020 #192

Don't count on Warren as a Sanders wnylib Feb 2020 #194

very well said wnylib lanlady Feb 2020 #201

he has a plurality against 3 moderates who have split a much larger section of the pie greenman3610 Feb 2020 #46

According to polls, Bernie beats every candidate in head-to-head matchups. HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #71

Truth!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #184

He's getting about half the numbers he got last time, when he lost. Not a good trend. pnwmom Feb 2020 #56

So far, yes, and you'd think the mushy middle would get the message Warpy Feb 2020 #94

Lol winning is 30%. Typical Sanders devoteeism. All devotion to simeine grantcart Feb 2020 #100

NO HE ISN'T. He BARELY won 2 states so far. That is hardly W I N N I N G !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trueblue2007 Feb 2020 #109

umm... no... as of today... ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #138

For now he is. Let's wait for results from other than 2, tiny nearly all-white states. brush Feb 2020 #159

Trump is trying to pick his general election opponent Gothmog Feb 2020 #207

Because millions of Americans support him and want him to run. It's not just about Sanders, jalan48 Feb 2020 #2

Its possible that being up in the polls by double digits and having 7 million people contributing to CentralMass Feb 2020 #3

he's been running since 1971 evertonfc Feb 2020 #4

Being a mayor, a congressman, or a senator is a real job. Boulevardier Feb 2020 #139

ego. barbtries Feb 2020 #5

I find him to be an arrogant and entitled man. gembaby1 Feb 2020 #33

The VP steps in jimfields33 Feb 2020 #43

Wonderful! gembaby1 Feb 2020 #57

President Nina Turner won't miss a beat. nobuddy Feb 2020 #69

I doubt anyone would. No guarantees jimfields33 Feb 2020 #111

Of course not. JFK was assassinated. gembaby1 Feb 2020 #119

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #53

I agree, his ego gets in the way of his good judgement. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #202

I agree. llmart Feb 2020 #52

Ralph Naderism MFM008 Feb 2020 #6

Yes. Ellen Forradalom Feb 2020 #18

He is leading by 10 points nationally - RCP averages. Same crowd ? CentralMass Feb 2020 #61

Could be Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #27

from a Kenucky Hillbilly William769 Feb 2020 #7

... sheshe2 Feb 2020 #24

second that handmade34 Feb 2020 #44

From another Kentucky hillbilly. Meadowoak Feb 2020 #75

Don't disagree, but I have to wash socks. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #8

This isn't about the candidates, this is about the voters. Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #9

"and then goes on to lose"...you can say this about any of the Democrats then Perseus Feb 2020 #14

40% of eligible voters don't vote, it is all excuses. We get out the vote or we don't Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #34

Agreed. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #66

Oh Bernie folk will find plenty to blame Kerrycrat Feb 2020 #84

You mean, like Bernie is being blamed before he even gets the nomination? All these assumptions? Perseus Feb 2020 #120

I think he felt he had to answer Klobuchar Kerrycrat Feb 2020 #164

Had not heard that... TBH, that doesn't sound like the Amy I know. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #185

Dont be dismayed... all these attacks against Bernie is PRECISELY why he's winnin... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #182

okay, okay, okay DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #121

Why can't people realize that this war against Sanders is not going to change minds Perseus Feb 2020 #10

+++++ Cornus Feb 2020 #35

There is also the war by Sanders and his Bernie bros. keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #95

And how is that Bernie's fault? How do we know who is controlling these people? Perseus Feb 2020 #123

We can look at Bernie's campaign staff PatSeg Feb 2020 #189

A few dozen people trading Twitter-worthy barbs on an obscure website is not a war. Bonobo Feb 2020 #132

It DOES have the opposite effect... it's called the "Baseless Bernie Bashing Backlash"!! I LOVE IT!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #186

And right below your comment Nate Silver says Amy has a less than 1 in 100 chance of winning. n/t zackymilly Feb 2020 #11

I think its all the support he is getting. And he wants to win. jmg257 Feb 2020 #12

Yes, it's because Bernie is the Champion of common working class and low-income folks on Main Street InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #187

Because a ton of people support him ibegurpard Feb 2020 #13

Pfft! Jirel Feb 2020 #15

I love the fact that Warren supporters come out and defend Sanders Perseus Feb 2020 #124

Because he's been running for so long, that he hardly knows how to do anything else. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2020 #16

Lets see. Weve heard that he isnt winning by a lanslide and should dtop out and make way for CentralMass Feb 2020 #23

I don't think he should drop out for anyone. And I was mostly kidding! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2020 #30

+1 Celerity Feb 2020 #48

Sorry. I teplied to the wrong comment. Hello back and good luck. : -) CentralMass Feb 2020 #62

he may take issue with some of your assumptions KayF Feb 2020 #17

So Sherman A1 Feb 2020 #19

I'm very much not for Sanders.... but... Steven Maurer Feb 2020 #20

Why does he have the right to wnylib Feb 2020 #140

He now **IS** a Democrat Steven Maurer Feb 2020 #174

America will never elect an admitted and avowed Socialist. Period. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #21

Being left behind can very frustrating. i get it Kurt V. Feb 2020 #36

Well, America elected an avowed traitor and racist imbecile. A Socialist doesn't seem so bad. LonePirate Feb 2020 #42

Oh yeah... He did it all in his own. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #58

He sure has the biggest crowds and is doing well in the polls womanofthehills Feb 2020 #50

Harry Truman on Socialism Woodycall Feb 2020 #54

Good quote! I'm keeping it. calimary Feb 2020 #68

From BS in 2011.. Cha Feb 2020 #65

Keeper! keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #97

I agree... cheezmaka Feb 2020 #74

FDR just didn't exist. He didn't win 4 times. It was all just a leftist dream IronLionZion Feb 2020 #96

LOL NurseJackie Feb 2020 #103

LBJ never got us Medicare IronLionZion Feb 2020 #116

That's the appropriate response. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #131

Apparently they think we're stupid... but we're not. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #145

Neither of them were avowed socialists. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #130

Bernie is not a socialist and isn't trying to seize the means of production IronLionZion Feb 2020 #146

"Bernie Wants You to Own More of the Means of Production" LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #170

FDR was an avowed capitalist. brush Feb 2020 #156

So is Trump IronLionZion Feb 2020 #166

Oh please. The point is FDR was an avowed capitalist not an avowed socialist as some are inferring. brush Feb 2020 #167

He used a lot of tax dollars for his avowed capitalism IronLionZion Feb 2020 #168

So am I but it's not called democratic socialism. brush Feb 2020 #171

Correct, he's using the wrong term IronLionZion Feb 2020 #172

Yes. Socialism, even with the word democratic in front of it is a loser in present-day America... brush Feb 2020 #173

I Agree... cheezmaka Feb 2020 #204

A lot of people support him, there's no reason why he shouldn't run. Far more support him than Autumn Feb 2020 #22

I believe the second choice of all the other candidates have chosen Bernie. Doitnow Feb 2020 #108

What makes him think that he deserves the democratic nomination? The voters and supporters aikoaiko Feb 2020 #26

Maybe because he is reminding the Dems what they say what they stand for and should start doing Doitnow Feb 2020 #112

I think you're right. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author Zolorp Feb 2020 #29

Nice Cornus Feb 2020 #39

Nice Zolorp Feb 2020 #40

Sanders is not responsible for trump being POTUS. There were lots of factors and being Kurt V. Feb 2020 #32

re: "There are many other democrats who would have a better chance to beat trump." thesquanderer Feb 2020 #37

Welcome to DU, guillaumeb Feb 2020 #38

I am glad he's running David__77 Feb 2020 #45

LOL... ME TOO!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #195

He should have dropped out after his heart attack. But like all the other candidates underthematrix Feb 2020 #47

I promised to not say anything negative about the Democratic candidates. TNNurse Feb 2020 #49

no, he does not realize Skittles Feb 2020 #51

Hmmmm.... krakfiend Feb 2020 #55

I find Rebl2 Feb 2020 #59

In 2016, I was a big Bernie supporter... karin_sj Feb 2020 #60

Yep. Memories of McGovern waft through my head. calimary Feb 2020 #81

I don't think he cares. volstork Feb 2020 #63

BS' own words in 2011 Cha Feb 2020 #64

There's one thing he got right radical noodle Feb 2020 #70

yeah he did Cha Feb 2020 #77

He actually told on himself... LOL cheezmaka Feb 2020 #88

Yes.. where you been, cheezmaka?! Cha Feb 2020 #90

Real busy.. cheezmaka Feb 2020 #196

Good on you.. real life! Cha Feb 2020 #197

You're right... cheezmaka Feb 2020 #198

Why can't Bloomberg realize he shouldn't be running? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #67

It's not an either/or proposition Orrex Feb 2020 #72

HAHAHAHA!! YESSSSSS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #181

HE KNOWS. apcalc Feb 2020 #76

Thank you! DarleenMB Feb 2020 #78

Why can't you realize that he doesn't see it from your point of view? milestogo Feb 2020 #79

Because he's as narcissistic as Trump. bitterross Feb 2020 #80

I don't know why the front runner is running nobuddy Feb 2020 #82

Ego wisteria Feb 2020 #83

I supported him in the last primary and wholeheartedly ALBliberal Feb 2020 #85

Yes seta1950 Feb 2020 #86

I'm voting for the democratic candidate in November... the_sly_pig Feb 2020 #87

Anxiety and despair, yes. Joy to his revolutionaries and progressive believers, but not to emmaverybo Feb 2020 #89

Of course Sanders should be running! Fran2020 Feb 2020 #91

I am not sure I know most of those things. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #92

I actually BigOleDummy Feb 2020 #93

His ego awesomerwb1 Feb 2020 #99

How in the heck do you come Ahpook Feb 2020 #101

There must be an explanation bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #102

Who are our socialists undermining capitalism? KPN Feb 2020 #104

The interests all align. /nt bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #105

Whe are they? You haven't answered my question. KPN Feb 2020 #106

As you say, the interests all align. And add the GOP and Hortensis Feb 2020 #148

It is ALL ABOUT HE! democratisphere Feb 2020 #107

Why do Bernie bashers hate democracy? johnnyplankton Feb 2020 #110

Maybe it's the fact that he's wildly popular AverageJoe Feb 2020 #113

Sanders IS the unity candidate. Most popular, most favorable, beats Trump floppyboo Feb 2020 #114

I'm not a new account. Tennessee Hillbilly Feb 2020 #162

Hey, he is free to run just like anyone else. Now what I do disagree with him is that he seems to cstanleytech Feb 2020 #117

So since you feel that strongly about Bernie NOT running... Stellar Feb 2020 #118

Ego, pure ego. riverwalker Feb 2020 #122

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #125

"Historically, a populist faux or not beats a non populist every time" TwilightZone Feb 2020 #129

Sanders is winning because the bottom 50% is getting squeezed at140 Feb 2020 #127

Damn right! Ahpook Feb 2020 #133

Slow change and status quo is not going to cut it. at140 Feb 2020 #135

One of my many concerns... Bayard Feb 2020 #128

I worry the opposite. All the Bernie attacks and claims that he can't CentralMass Feb 2020 #137

He is running to represent people who no one else wants to represent. dbolski Feb 2020 #134

Correct, because the bottom 50% have zero superpacs. at140 Feb 2020 #136

"no one else wants to represent" TwilightZone Feb 2020 #141

+1 betsuni Feb 2020 #142

+2! Cha Feb 2020 #144

+1000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #153

Who on the Dem POTUS ticket is not running to represent everyone? ehrnst Feb 2020 #152

If the others in race are not representing moderate views dbolski Feb 2020 #163

You avoided answering the question, and tried to change the subject. ehrnst Feb 2020 #165

+1000 Bumperstickers Feb 2020 #190

His ego he's narcissistic TEB Feb 2020 #151

So glad we have you with all your knowledge about who should and shouldn't run. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #154

Because he believes in what he's doing ismnotwasm Feb 2020 #155

IMO He knows that his running hurts Democrats Progressive dog Feb 2020 #175

Senator Sanders JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #176

Ego. Pure and simple. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #183

This AJT Feb 2020 #188

If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states and we will have Speaker Kevin McCarthy Gothmog Feb 2020 #191

This is totally correct. The Trump propaganda machine will destroy Benie's chances. Stuart G Feb 2020 #200

It's probably all of his voters are convincing him otherwise. nt Gore1FL Feb 2020 #199

1. It's an ego stroke for him Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #203

If the Russians want to re-elect Trump makes perfect sense they want Sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #206

Narcissists are like that nini Feb 2020 #208