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Perseus

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100. And that is exactly what Sanders is promoting "regulated capitalism", not "socialism".
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 03:41 PM
Feb 2020

His biggest mistake was to answer "if you think free education, free healthcare is socialism then sure, call me a socialist" when asked about it because he allowed the media, repubs and those who do not like him to label him as a "socialist" and there could be nothing further than Sanders being a socialist.

"higher taxes than Americans would tolerate", sorry but that is another meme from the other guys. When USA citizens understand that the higher taxes to pay for those things Bernie, and Warren, are proposing will actually save them money they will accept it with open arms. That other one that "people love their private insurance" is just a meme put out by the insurance industry and the republicans.

Do the math, and you will see that higher taxes when you and your family get free education and free health care that you will come ahead, ask anyone from Canada about that, anyone in France, or anyone from those Scandinavian countries.

Such an awful meme "higher taxes than Americans would tolerate". I would like to know what "Americans" are those, because I know a lot of us who understand it and would be glad to pay higher taxes while saving on everything else.

Another meme to remember "Medicaid for all would make people wait to be seen by a Dr.", we already have that problem in the USA. Not sure if everyone has noticed, but 8 out of 10 USA citizens are taking prescription drugs, they spend hours at the Dr almost every month, and when you call because you do have to see the doctor they schedule you three weeks from that day. I never go to the doctor, I hope it stays that way, but a few months ago I had a lot coughing, was not feeling well, I called to find out if I could get an appointment that day, or the next, and they said the only opening was about three weeks from that day, I told the nurse that by then I would be either dead or feeling well so I would not need to see the doctor, she said "sorry, its what we have", I hang up and decided to take some natural ginger tea (actually buying the root), and some other natural remedies made at home, and in three days I was back like new...almost new, age does play games...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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That was handled very well! Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #1
Except that he's wrong about the Scandinavian countries, which aren't socialist. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #2
You're not wrong, but try explaining that to a general audience. HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #3
The word is toxic precisely because a lot of people still associate it with The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #5
Millennials now outnumber Baby Boomers. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #14
Boomers are the most reliable voters, and there are still a whole lot of us. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #19
They may outnumber baby boomers awesomerwb1 Feb 2020 #32
Find me a Millennial that can take their eyes away from their phone... ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #121
Younger people don't have a problem with that word at all. Autumn Feb 2020 #67
Younger people don't vote. Old people do. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #72
Bullcrap, younger people do vote. Not in the numbers that older people do but they do vote. Autumn Feb 2020 #74
"Not in the numbers that older people do." Exactly my point. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #79
If you think you can win elections with that percentage of the party I wish you luck. If you give Autumn Feb 2020 #85
Old people always vote. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #107
Well, good luck. Autumn Feb 2020 #112
Younger people in blue states and big cities don't. LisaM Feb 2020 #81
It hasn't lost meaning at all. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #15
That's true, I don't understand why he dwells on comparing Denmark, a country of only 5.6 million... George II Feb 2020 #8
Why can't a large wealthy country do what a small wealthy country does? pampango Feb 2020 #101
well he never said they were LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #9
Actually, he did. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #13
You're right TheFarseer Feb 2020 #57
And that is exactly what Sanders is promoting "regulated capitalism", not "socialism". Perseus Feb 2020 #100
The problem is that he's stuck himself with that label The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #104
His answer was a total evasion. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #4
where did he say those countries are socialist ? LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #7
He's said it many times, particularly Denmark. George II Feb 2020 #10
And he pissed off the Danes, who replied very emphatically The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #21
Exactly. Yet Bernie keeps invoking them. It's very misleading. nt SunSeeker Feb 2020 #61
Baloney. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #20
I thought many of those countries have parties that call themselves Socialist democrattotheend Feb 2020 #86
No, they don't call themselves socialist. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #93
He's said it repeatedly, much to the ire of those countries' leaders. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #23
Just one example: George II Feb 2020 #38
Norway has the highest per capita sovereign fund in history grantcart Feb 2020 #68
And Sanders doesn't want the US to be a socialist country, either. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #16
He doesn't want the US to embrace the ideology he espouses? OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #24
I'm torn Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #31
The government does not own the means of production and OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #34
Maybe not deliberately obtuse. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #39
The means of production are not owned by the state. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #40
Really really need to read about free market vs mixed economy. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #42
I have an advanced degree in politics and political economy and know fully well OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #44
Well, then, did you not cover a mixed economy? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #49
I now what a mixed economy is, and it ain't socialism. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #50
So you would agree that the United States is a social democracy? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #51
We have many things in common with liberal European social democracies OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #56
It was too long an answer but one thing is right mwooldri Feb 2020 #69
No. Donald Trump is a guy who has taken advantage of many government subsidies OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #78
If you're explaining you're losing. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #6
The GOP knows that. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #30
That may be the best he's done with that question... BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #11
A perfect response. patphil Feb 2020 #12
So we should frame our politics as Democrats by adopting right-wing talking points? OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #35
Say what? patphil Feb 2020 #83
You said that a Democratic government doing it's job of taking care of the people OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #90
Thank you for clarifying your position. patphil Feb 2020 #115
No Patrick. Road building, municipal water, and schools are not examples of socialism. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #116
Yes, you are correct in your definition of socialism. patphil Feb 2020 #117
So we should not allow the false narratives of the GOP to frame OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #118
OK, I accept your position. patphil Feb 2020 #119
.. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #120
Bernie Sanders Stint at 'Stalinist' Kibbutz Draws Red-Baiting From Right Scurrilous Feb 2020 #17
These days everyone left of Marco Rubio is a communist... k2qb3 Feb 2020 #18
Bernie was spot on in focusing on socialism for the rich and throwing the term right back at trump bunny planet Feb 2020 #22
Accurate but not effective Main_St_Not_Wall_St Feb 2020 #25
Agree with stopping at corporate socialism Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #46
It is a good answer DeminPennswoods Feb 2020 #26
The Socialist Workers Party is a communist party. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #27
trump really wants to run against socialism and a weak caniddate like sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #28
I am wondering whether Americans would tolerate Denmark's tax model The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #29
There is more involved than higher tax rates. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #48
Sure, but could anybody sell it? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #52
WOW love it greymattermom Feb 2020 #33
That's a pretty damn good answer. ismnotwasm Feb 2020 #36
Excellent response Raven123 Feb 2020 #37
DEMOCRATIC socialism is different than straight socialism CousinIT Feb 2020 #41
"my definition of socialism"... SidDithers Feb 2020 #43
Exactly. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #45
The phrase is "when you're explaining, you're losing" Zolorp Feb 2020 #54
Denmark also has a much higher rate of people that are employed than in the U.S. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #47
Men can also be the ones to stay home to raise children, by the way. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #59
I was not intending to be sexist with my remarks and one of my close friends TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #95
A strong safety net is not socialism; it's the regulation needed to make capitalism livable. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #63
I agree that Bernie was wrong about socialism. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #111
Having a better safety net enhances freedom. nt SunSeeker Feb 2020 #113
I tend to believe that it depends on the specific programs and their cost. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #114
Idiot media needs to ask him about his affiliation with the Communists from 1977-1984 Zolorp Feb 2020 #53
You can bet the GOP will bring that up if he gets the nomination. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #62
I think the communist stuff started when he left the kibbutz in '63. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #64
I'm talking about his affiliation with US Trotskyist Communists. Zolorp Feb 2020 #75
Yup. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #80
I know many Democrats my age who will never vote for him over that Zolorp Feb 2020 #82
Nixon/McGovern came about because Muskie was ratfucked by Nixon with help from the media. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #89
He was an elector candidate for a Trotskyist idiot who aided with Iran during the hostage crisis Zolorp Feb 2020 #92
He always sided with the Russians. Ortega. And Fidel. But he hates Democrats. He said JFK puke. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #98
"How was I to know he was with the Russians too?" The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #109
He is the best person to send the progressive message to those who want progressive policies Malmsy Feb 2020 #55
There is no "right" answer to the "socialist" question. Laelth Feb 2020 #58
"and by the way, he'll call any Democrat a socialist." Martin Eden Feb 2020 #60
Quite true. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #65
But it won't stick like it does with Bernie, who himself says he's a socialist. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #66
The difference is, they won't have to lie about Bernie when they make that claim Hav Feb 2020 #99
Good answer, but think it can be better. lark Feb 2020 #70
That's a good point re. SS & Medicare democrattotheend Feb 2020 #88
Yeah, I agree, but was going for 90% vs 75% approval, lol. lark Feb 2020 #97
No he didn't. He totally mislead about what socialism is. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #71
Bernie is the only candidate running who says he's a socialist. kydemo Feb 2020 #73
Bernie did not answer the question. He . MRDAWG Feb 2020 #76
His answers are always perfect dontcha know. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #103
Yes! Rider3 Feb 2020 #77
That's a great answer democrattotheend Feb 2020 #84
"And by the way, he will call any Democrat a socialist" -- Bernie Sanders Perseus Feb 2020 #87
And in the case of every other candidate, Trump would be lying. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #94
A tad long-winded. Murkins can't pay attention that long. maxsolomon Feb 2020 #91
Bernie is Right About This... blakstoneranger Feb 2020 #96
He was running away from it and people fall for it Hav Feb 2020 #102
He really did. I was waiting to see how he would answer, and it made a lot of sense. Politicub Feb 2020 #105
More peace and light eternal glee spirit fun time happy happy perfect in every way Bernie employee Scurrilous Feb 2020 #106
More class warfare from the Sanders-Stein crowd? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #108
Yep. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #110
It's unfortunate, but true hangaleft Feb 2020 #122
AMJOYsanders would lose Florida due to socialism Gothmog Feb 2020 #123
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