Democratic Primaries

LisaM

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81. Younger people in blue states and big cities don't.

Reply to Autumn (Reply #67)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 03:00 PM

Feb 2020

I don't think that's as true in the south, and in states like Wyoming and Oklahoma.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie answered the "socialist" question perfect in town hall last night [View all] LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 OP

That was handled very well! Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #1

Except that he's wrong about the Scandinavian countries, which aren't socialist. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #2

You're not wrong, but try explaining that to a general audience. HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #3

The word is toxic precisely because a lot of people still associate it with The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #5

Millennials now outnumber Baby Boomers. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #14

Boomers are the most reliable voters, and there are still a whole lot of us. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #19

They may outnumber baby boomers awesomerwb1 Feb 2020 #32

Find me a Millennial that can take their eyes away from their phone... ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #121

Younger people don't have a problem with that word at all. Autumn Feb 2020 #67

Younger people don't vote. Old people do. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #72

Bullcrap, younger people do vote. Not in the numbers that older people do but they do vote. Autumn Feb 2020 #74

"Not in the numbers that older people do." Exactly my point. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #79

If you think you can win elections with that percentage of the party I wish you luck. If you give Autumn Feb 2020 #85

Old people always vote. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #107

Well, good luck. Autumn Feb 2020 #112

Younger people in blue states and big cities don't. LisaM Feb 2020 #81

It hasn't lost meaning at all. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #15

That's true, I don't understand why he dwells on comparing Denmark, a country of only 5.6 million... George II Feb 2020 #8

Why can't a large wealthy country do what a small wealthy country does? pampango Feb 2020 #101

well he never said they were LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #9

Actually, he did. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #13

You're right TheFarseer Feb 2020 #57

And that is exactly what Sanders is promoting "regulated capitalism", not "socialism". Perseus Feb 2020 #100

The problem is that he's stuck himself with that label The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #104

His answer was a total evasion. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #4

where did he say those countries are socialist ? LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #7

He's said it many times, particularly Denmark. George II Feb 2020 #10

And he pissed off the Danes, who replied very emphatically The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #21

Exactly. Yet Bernie keeps invoking them. It's very misleading. nt SunSeeker Feb 2020 #61

Baloney. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #20

I thought many of those countries have parties that call themselves Socialist democrattotheend Feb 2020 #86

No, they don't call themselves socialist. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #93

He's said it repeatedly, much to the ire of those countries' leaders. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #23

Just one example: George II Feb 2020 #38

Norway has the highest per capita sovereign fund in history grantcart Feb 2020 #68

And Sanders doesn't want the US to be a socialist country, either. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #16

He doesn't want the US to embrace the ideology he espouses? OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #24

I'm torn Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #31

The government does not own the means of production and OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #34

Maybe not deliberately obtuse. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #39

The means of production are not owned by the state. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #40

Really really need to read about free market vs mixed economy. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #42

I have an advanced degree in politics and political economy and know fully well OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #44

Well, then, did you not cover a mixed economy? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #49

I now what a mixed economy is, and it ain't socialism. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #50

So you would agree that the United States is a social democracy? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #51

We have many things in common with liberal European social democracies OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #56

It was too long an answer but one thing is right mwooldri Feb 2020 #69

No. Donald Trump is a guy who has taken advantage of many government subsidies OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #78

If you're explaining you're losing. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #6

The GOP knows that. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #30

That may be the best he's done with that question... BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #11

A perfect response. patphil Feb 2020 #12

So we should frame our politics as Democrats by adopting right-wing talking points? OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #35

Say what? patphil Feb 2020 #83

You said that a Democratic government doing it's job of taking care of the people OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #90

Thank you for clarifying your position. patphil Feb 2020 #115

No Patrick. Road building, municipal water, and schools are not examples of socialism. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #116

Yes, you are correct in your definition of socialism. patphil Feb 2020 #117

So we should not allow the false narratives of the GOP to frame OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #118

OK, I accept your position. patphil Feb 2020 #119

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Bernie Sanders Stint at 'Stalinist' Kibbutz Draws Red-Baiting From Right Scurrilous Feb 2020 #17

These days everyone left of Marco Rubio is a communist... k2qb3 Feb 2020 #18

Bernie was spot on in focusing on socialism for the rich and throwing the term right back at trump bunny planet Feb 2020 #22

Accurate but not effective Main_St_Not_Wall_St Feb 2020 #25

Agree with stopping at corporate socialism Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #46

It is a good answer DeminPennswoods Feb 2020 #26

The Socialist Workers Party is a communist party. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #27

trump really wants to run against socialism and a weak caniddate like sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #28

I am wondering whether Americans would tolerate Denmark's tax model The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #29

There is more involved than higher tax rates. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #48

Sure, but could anybody sell it? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #52

WOW love it greymattermom Feb 2020 #33

That's a pretty damn good answer. ismnotwasm Feb 2020 #36

Excellent response Raven123 Feb 2020 #37

DEMOCRATIC socialism is different than straight socialism CousinIT Feb 2020 #41

"my definition of socialism"... SidDithers Feb 2020 #43

Exactly. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #45

The phrase is "when you're explaining, you're losing" Zolorp Feb 2020 #54

Denmark also has a much higher rate of people that are employed than in the U.S. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #47

Men can also be the ones to stay home to raise children, by the way. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #59

I was not intending to be sexist with my remarks and one of my close friends TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #95

A strong safety net is not socialism; it's the regulation needed to make capitalism livable. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #63

I agree that Bernie was wrong about socialism. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #111

Having a better safety net enhances freedom. nt SunSeeker Feb 2020 #113

I tend to believe that it depends on the specific programs and their cost. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #114

Idiot media needs to ask him about his affiliation with the Communists from 1977-1984 Zolorp Feb 2020 #53

You can bet the GOP will bring that up if he gets the nomination. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #62

I think the communist stuff started when he left the kibbutz in '63. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #64

I'm talking about his affiliation with US Trotskyist Communists. Zolorp Feb 2020 #75

Yup. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #80

I know many Democrats my age who will never vote for him over that Zolorp Feb 2020 #82

Nixon/McGovern came about because Muskie was ratfucked by Nixon with help from the media. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #89

He was an elector candidate for a Trotskyist idiot who aided with Iran during the hostage crisis Zolorp Feb 2020 #92

He always sided with the Russians. Ortega. And Fidel. But he hates Democrats. He said JFK puke. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #98

"How was I to know he was with the Russians too?" The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #109

He is the best person to send the progressive message to those who want progressive policies Malmsy Feb 2020 #55

There is no "right" answer to the "socialist" question. Laelth Feb 2020 #58

"and by the way, he'll call any Democrat a socialist." Martin Eden Feb 2020 #60

Quite true. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #65

But it won't stick like it does with Bernie, who himself says he's a socialist. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #66

The difference is, they won't have to lie about Bernie when they make that claim Hav Feb 2020 #99

Good answer, but think it can be better. lark Feb 2020 #70

That's a good point re. SS & Medicare democrattotheend Feb 2020 #88

Yeah, I agree, but was going for 90% vs 75% approval, lol. lark Feb 2020 #97

No he didn't. He totally mislead about what socialism is. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #71

Bernie is the only candidate running who says he's a socialist. kydemo Feb 2020 #73

Bernie did not answer the question. He . MRDAWG Feb 2020 #76

His answers are always perfect dontcha know. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #103

Yes! Rider3 Feb 2020 #77

That's a great answer democrattotheend Feb 2020 #84

"And by the way, he will call any Democrat a socialist" -- Bernie Sanders Perseus Feb 2020 #87

And in the case of every other candidate, Trump would be lying. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #94

A tad long-winded. Murkins can't pay attention that long. maxsolomon Feb 2020 #91

Bernie is Right About This... blakstoneranger Feb 2020 #96

He was running away from it and people fall for it Hav Feb 2020 #102

He really did. I was waiting to see how he would answer, and it made a lot of sense. Politicub Feb 2020 #105

More peace and light eternal glee spirit fun time happy happy perfect in every way Bernie employee Scurrilous Feb 2020 #106

More class warfare from the Sanders-Stein crowd? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #108

Yep. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #110

It's unfortunate, but true hangaleft Feb 2020 #122

AMJOYsanders would lose Florida due to socialism Gothmog Feb 2020 #123