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Blue_true

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60. There is no dollars and cents breakout like Sen. Warren did.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:21 AM
Jan 2020

A lot of promises and visions of how things will be is not a plan, voters need to know the costs and Sen. Sanders is steadfastly avoiding laying those costs out for review.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
I pay $233 a month which is 1/3 of my income underthematrix Jan 2020 #1
True DENVERPOPS Jan 2020 #30
You won't be paying those on Medicare for All. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #76
Why not? Will Medicare for All magically change Medicare? yardwork Jan 2020 #113
Medicare for all has no copays and no deductibles. You do not need a supplemental policy. There vsrazdem Jan 2020 #114
How is this being paid for? underthematrix Jan 2020 #129
AgaIn. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #133
Just a guess, but the 55 mentions of TAX will not endear most readers of the plan. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2020 #170
That doesn't begin to explain how they could fund a completely different program pnwmom Jan 2020 #176
Free Money!!! getagrip_already Jan 2020 #154
So sick of the 'we can't afford it' mantra Doremus Jan 2020 #169
and don't forget Space Force and on and on. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #186
You do reailize we are talking about $30 trillion here dansolo Jan 2020 #187
And yet every other developed country in the world has managed to do it. Doremus Jan 2020 #205
Better than nothing? LiberalFighter Jan 2020 #131
That's why MFA is better than medicare. And Better than nothign was referring to dental and vision. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #132
MFA isn't better than anything unless it gets approved by Congress. yardwork Jan 2020 #136
Sorry, MFA would be better than anyhing else out there. Is that better. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #137
Medicare for All doesn't exist. It won't exist unless it gets approved by Congress. yardwork Jan 2020 #141
Shssshhhh The Mouth Jan 2020 #200
Lol! yardwork Jan 2020 #201
Dream on. n/t pnwmom Jan 2020 #175
Yep. This sounds about right. When we had Obamacare we got a subsidy which made our monthly underthematrix Jan 2020 #120
I pay $5,300 a year... Grins Jan 2020 #128
Bernie's MFA Bill would change much of how Medicare works and what it covers. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #2
Yeah, and how is that gonna pass Congress? dhol82 Jan 2020 #5
It starts by voting for a presidential candidate who supports it. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #9
and has a congress that will pass it. dhol82 Jan 2020 #15
Vote for representatives that support it too. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #17
I can just see the voter in Mississippi and Alabama praising Jesus and voting for a democratic plan. dhol82 Jan 2020 #19
Part of living in a representative democracy is that not everyone will agree with you. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #22
You keep believing that! dhol82 Jan 2020 #25
If you consider 87% against being a "majority." LOL. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #156
Kaiser Family Foundation The Valley Below Jan 2020 #157
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #159
87% against isn't a "majority" except in upside-down world. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #162
Asked and answered. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #165
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #167
Right just vote for Bernie and everything else will fall into place. I should buy stock in rose UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #158
No, FoxNewsSucks Jan 2020 #46
I really don't understand this repeated fallacy dansolo Jan 2020 #106
Hey, we have printing presses The Mouth Jan 2020 #202
When did Democrats stop fighting the long fight? Beartracks Jan 2020 #82
That has got to be the smartest comment I've seen ArcticFox Jan 2020 #87
Well, thank you. Beartracks Jan 2020 #88
When did Ds start acting like Rs by proposing pie-in-the-sky stopbush Jan 2020 #193
Where in that bill is the section that outlines how it all GETS PAID FOR? stopbush Jan 2020 #10
If you're insured now, any added taxes will be less than your premium ArcticFox Jan 2020 #89
Not enough money at the top to fund this Loki Liesmith Jan 2020 #105
Not really true ArcticFox Jan 2020 #118
Europe "gets away with it" by levying heavy taxes on their citizens to pay for healthcare. stopbush Jan 2020 #124
I wonder how many people appreciate everything Europeans get for their taxes ArcticFox Jan 2020 #146
Yes, we are getting the shaft. stopbush Jan 2020 #147
Many more are not so lucky ArcticFox Jan 2020 #153
Wake up, ofcourse it can be done. Danmark Jan 2020 #152
I think you responded to the wrong post ArcticFox Jan 2020 #155
Many countries afford it. Just study how they do it delisen Jan 2020 #184
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #160
Bloomberg does not believe in MFA. His plan is a lot like Biden's - stopbush Jan 2020 #164
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #166
No need to call Mike when his healthcare plan is outlined at his campaign website. stopbush Jan 2020 #173
Unfortunately he doesn't consider how Medicare is administered today, which includes... George II Jan 2020 #40
Not it is not. Medicare Advantage is private insurance. Medicare is not. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #77
But with Medicare radical noodle Jan 2020 #84
You won't need supplements. I'm all for getting the insurance company out of my healthcare, and now vsrazdem Jan 2020 #93
My employer provided healthcare radical noodle Jan 2020 #96
I had really gold-plated insurance Freddie Jan 2020 #109
LMAO! You're so right! radical noodle Jan 2020 #149
Wrong forthemiddle Jan 2020 #145
Yup, and mine just went up up by 200% in January. dhol82 Jan 2020 #3
Medicare will look very different after MFA is passed. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #7
Ok. I'll believe it when I see it. dhol82 Jan 2020 #13
you pay it in taxes. There will be no premiums, including people who are currently on Medicare and vsrazdem Jan 2020 #4
Do you really think that the republican members of Congress will just roll over and beg for this? dhol82 Jan 2020 #11
No, but the people will want it and he will go to every state if need be to tell them what they can vsrazdem Jan 2020 #16
If, if, if. dhol82 Jan 2020 #18
Well I know people are sick of going bankrupt or dying because they can't get healthcare. Sure you vsrazdem Jan 2020 #20
It's a better plan than defeatism TidySum Jan 2020 #98
From the same group that did that poll... ehrnst Jan 2020 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author Otto Lidenbrock Jan 2020 #24
Sure Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #31
No. Clearly people vote against their own self interests time and time again and this will be no UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #103
No, its not good enough when you can't afford to use it. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #112
Well, Joe Biden says republicons will be eager to work with us. FoxNewsSucks Jan 2020 #47
The current Medicare tax is 1.45% for the employee and 1.45% for the employer. stopbush Jan 2020 #32
There is an income level for people to start paying. Lower income does not pay anything. This is vsrazdem Jan 2020 #48
Er, above you say there are no premiums. Now you say the 6.5% tax stopbush Jan 2020 #71
It is a tax, not a premium. Sorry, it should be keeps the costs per person low. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #79
Do your math and you'll see MFA is a deal ArcticFox Jan 2020 #92
But under current Medicare, EACH family member pays a monthly premium. stopbush Jan 2020 #191
So how does it work with doctors, many of whom refuse Medicaid, and even some pnwmom Jan 2020 #177
Unless they want to retire, they will accept the only game in town. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #185
And what happens when ten or twenty percent decide to retire, or just pnwmom Jan 2020 #189
All patient's will be public, so unless they don't want to work anymore, they have no choice. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #190
Dream on! There is no legal way we could prevent qualified doctors from pnwmom Jan 2020 #195
I don't know too may patient's who would love to pay out of pocket for their healthcare. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #197
But we all know there are lots of doctors who could afford to retire early pnwmom Jan 2020 #198
I have been in the healthcare field for 40 years. Doctor's don't like to retire. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #199
Medicare for all could make it a lot easier for them, if they don't feel like working pnwmom Jan 2020 #203
Yes, and the planet could be hit by an asteroid. Doomesday scenarios. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #204
Isn't this the opposite end SCVDem Jan 2020 #6
Because MFA isn't Medicare. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #8
He co-opted the name "Medicare" hoping people would fall for it. Nobody did. George II Jan 2020 #14
"Fall for it"? It's not current Medicare... it's an *improved* version of Medicare. thesquanderer Jan 2020 #26
No it's not. It has little in common with the current Medicare. Actually probably just the "name". George II Jan 2020 #42
What it has in common is that it is a government run single payer system. thesquanderer Jan 2020 #56
But, without considering how Medicare is administered, Sanders is proposing.... George II Jan 2020 #57
OMG keeping costs down, are you serious. The way they keep costs down is by denying coverage. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #80
There is no way Congress True Blue American Jan 2020 #90
He'll end $1000 or so in premiums, but assess $2000 in taxes. Win-lose for Americans. George II Jan 2020 #12
That is not exactly true. Blue_true Jan 2020 #27
I was generalizing. My point is we have no details, and the cost is probably more than we'll "save". George II Jan 2020 #29
I can't dispute either point that you made. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #37
And squirecam Jan 2020 #34
Good point since the employer is currently paying most of the Blue_true Jan 2020 #45
And squirecam Jan 2020 #50
That's trickle down, which we know doesn't work. Employers will pocket the difference, if any. George II Jan 2020 #110
And got rid of their deductibles and coinsurance. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #49
Where in the world did you find that hogwash or did you concoct it on your own? LonePirate Jan 2020 #163
Bernie's plan (and really Elizabeth's) is really more of a "Medicaid" for all dflprincess Jan 2020 #21
Riiiiight. nt Kahuna7 Jan 2020 #33
So Sanders wants to snowybirdie Jan 2020 #23
I currently have Medicare A dflprincess Jan 2020 #39
Plus it was prepaid for 40 years before you were ever eligible MichMan Jan 2020 #59
It depends where you live. stopbush Jan 2020 #73
How dare he replace an expensive complicated Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #108
I'm paying $300 with supplemental and prescription coverage. nt Kahuna7 Jan 2020 #28
Well then you should welcome paying NOTHING ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #36
We will pay SOMETHING. That lack of detail is what bothers me about Sen. Sanders, Blue_true Jan 2020 #41
Not going to happen! True Blue American Jan 2020 #91
The program is funded through taxes. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #174
NOTHING is FREE. And when we start bandying about 'free this and free that' WE LOSE. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #104
100% True Blue American Jan 2020 #182
So am I and it is the best insurance I have ever had, but I am sure willing to have support everyone vsrazdem Jan 2020 #52
If you believe him, he will eliminate Medicare premiums, make copays zero, free dental, and Hoyt Jan 2020 #35
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Be honest squirecam Jan 2020 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #51
Indeed. You point out a very important factor when you say stopbush Jan 2020 #192
Is Sen. Sander's plan a good idea? Blue_true Jan 2020 #44
Well, I guess people should check and decide. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #54
There is no dollars and cents breakout like Sen. Warren did. Blue_true Jan 2020 #60
And his plan covers 80 % he said it...by my math that is a 20% deductible that has no out of Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #53
No, there is no 80%. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #63
I am pretty sure he said 80% Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #65
No he did not. There is no deductible, no coinsurance, and a max of $200 for prescription drugs. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #67
I am not in favor of this plan...I may have misunderstood...will check Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #72
How can you not be in favor of a plan you have not seen detailed ? vsrazdem Jan 2020 #81
Because it's Bernie's plan. nt. Mariana Jan 2020 #95
Bernie proposes a wholly new system. It's Medicare in name only. Politicub Jan 2020 #55
He proposes it without key details and some take him seriously. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #62
Simple answer: more Government spending... brooklynite Jan 2020 #58
Well we seem to have no problem funding military, wars and tax breaks for the rich, so I guess vsrazdem Jan 2020 #64
What has Sanders specifically proposed to address that? brooklynite Jan 2020 #66
From his website. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #68
Pie in the sky options. Raise the top tax rate to 52%, tax Wall Street, etc. stopbush Jan 2020 #74
I like pie, and sky, so I will keep wishing if you don't mind. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #75
How about this: what if that pie in the sky actually means that you and the average American stopbush Jan 2020 #122
Now that is pie in the sky. 6.5% is not 30%. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #125
30% is the tax rate individuals in the UK pay to fund government programs. stopbush Jan 2020 #140
Why do you assume more government spending? Doodley Jan 2020 #69
How do so many Dems and DUers not understand single payer health care systems like MFA? LonePirate Jan 2020 #61
Exactly, If it works for other developed nations, it can work here. Doodley Jan 2020 #70
Problem is, some people don't believe it. It's really that simple. Hoyt Jan 2020 #83
As I understand it, the necessary taxes will be less than the premiums... Beartracks Jan 2020 #86
This whole line of inquiry is disingenuous. mike_c Jan 2020 #78
There have to be limits radical noodle Jan 2020 #85
There are no limits. You get the care you need just like in other countries. If people can get vsrazdem Jan 2020 #94
Oh, there are definitely people who will abuse it radical noodle Jan 2020 #97
I am sure there are things that it won't cover, I would think implants would be listed as cosmetic. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #99
The devil is in the details radical noodle Jan 2020 #148
I was suprised too. In fact, I thought may be was another patient's test, because I have never had vsrazdem Jan 2020 #150
But we are a consumer culture Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2020 #101
There are plenty of Medicare Part B supplment plans Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2020 #100
I believe Sanders janterry Jan 2020 #107
You realize don't you that Medicare now is not the Medicare For All bill of Sanders. Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #111
I don't think they do. I don't think people currently on Medicare realize that they most likely vsrazdem Jan 2020 #115
You mean Medicaid? That program already exists. The monthly income threshold stopbush Jan 2020 #121
No I do not mean Medicaid. Medicare for all is no premiums, no deductibles and $200 out of pocket vsrazdem Jan 2020 #127
You never seem to mention what the TAXES are in other countries to pay stopbush Jan 2020 #130
I don't know what they are and I don't care what they are there. Here they will be 6.5% vsrazdem Jan 2020 #134
So, ignorance is bliss? stopbush Jan 2020 #135
It's why "Medicare for all" is a stupid name Recursion Jan 2020 #117
Er, your information about Medicare is wrong. stopbush Jan 2020 #194
No. There's a $1000 deductible and no out of pocket maximum Recursion Jan 2020 #196
Currently, 100% of workers pay into Medicare thru a weekly payroll deduction of 1.45%. stopbush Jan 2020 #119
Again, from his website. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #126
Again, Sanders does not provide SPECIFICS on where the funding comes from for his program. stopbush Jan 2020 #138
You asked how he was proposing to pay for it. Not specifics. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #139
Er, that's what specifics are, ie: how it's paid for. stopbush Jan 2020 #142
Show me a better plan that covers EVERYONE and I'm all for it. I don't see one out there. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #143
This is silly talk. stopbush Jan 2020 #144
Premiums for a private insurance plan. eom guillaumeb Jan 2020 #151
I never realized so many people liked the current US health care system until I read the MFA threads LonePirate Jan 2020 #168
I know, I really don't get it. People saying this is going to make Medicare and healthcare worse. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #171
Your last two sentences perfectly sum up the MFA opposition. LonePirate Jan 2020 #172
We have health insurance in Australia. Aussie105 Jan 2020 #178
you also won't have to pay for supplemental insurance KayF Jan 2020 #179
Um, he stops it? whathehell Jan 2020 #180
Medicare for all. Aussie105 Jan 2020 #181
MFA was deliberately named that because people like and are familiar with Medicare MichMan Jan 2020 #183
Somebody needs to tell some of these people how much the taxes are in Canada, or the Netherlands. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #188
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