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thesquanderer

(11,953 posts)
150. that Gabbard and Yang are likely to make the next debate (n/t)
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:31 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Agree completely mcar Dec 2019 #1
I think it's noteworthy that of the six left on the debate stage... thesquanderer Dec 2019 #164
yep samnsara Dec 2019 #178
And any of them would be 10000x better than Putin's lap dog. BuffaloJackalope Dec 2019 #197
Agree totally Hulk Dec 2019 #200
They don't need to "fix" anything DrToast Dec 2019 #2
You're not serious, right? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #7
About what? DrToast Dec 2019 #9
The problem...in live and living color..... LovingA2andMI Dec 2019 #38
that Gabbard and Yang are likely to make the next debate (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2019 #150
Lol: "We have every kind of mix you can have. I have a black, Hortensis Dec 2019 #216
Your point on Black voters is right on. Blue_true Dec 2019 #232
Yes. Majority rules, and black and white together Hortensis Dec 2019 #241
Very well put. Btw, the last poll I saw had 1/2 Dems Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #252
Oh, absolutely. Even honest professional pollsters get it wrong Hortensis Dec 2019 #253
+1 -K&R onetexan Dec 2019 #75
I understand your point. But the problem with "natural attrition" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #220
What we need is DownriverDem Dec 2019 #155
You mean Klobuchar/Harris. Klobuchar/Abrams. Klobuchar/Booker joost5 Dec 2019 #173
Or squirecam Dec 2019 #182
Should white men drop out, and... Mike Nelson Dec 2019 #3
Yes, VP or AG. nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #8
Reminds me of the time I met with an organization who bragged to me about how diverse their all-whit StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #10
Let's try a quota system then bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #117
A quota system? cwydro Dec 2019 #199
Thank you for updating me... Mike Nelson Dec 2019 #242
You're welcome StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #243
I don't see Kamala making it as VP. LiberalFighter Dec 2019 #100
I agree. I think that rumour about Abrams 6 months ago is key. OnDoutside Dec 2019 #207
She would be more likley. But still doubtful. LiberalFighter Dec 2019 #210
The only way to "fix it" is to have a candidate of color get enough polling support to qualify scheming daemons Dec 2019 #4
*VOTERS* can't boost anyone at the polls if they don't get a chance to vote for them StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #13
When I said "polls" I meant in the qualifying opinion polls. scheming daemons Dec 2019 #17
So the polls should drive this before the voters ever get a say? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #48
Yes of course it does...because most candidates need money. That is political reality all candidates Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #59
Agree ... mr_lebowski Dec 2019 #105
It is ridiculous. You can give everyone the opportunity to compete...but some will win and some Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #228
That's kind of how it works. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #118
How else can the field be narrowed down to a manageable number, whatever that may be? pangaia Dec 2019 #159
DNC decided. It's built in - $ and poll #s. Personally think they started way too early Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #251
no, but $ contributions are he reason harris dropped out....... She qualified to be on stage getagrip_already Dec 2019 #36
How do you suggest Democrats "fix" pollsters and pundits? TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #104
Has everyone forgotten about Cory Booker? luvtheGWN Dec 2019 #146
but he hasn't gotten enough support to qualify. (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2019 #152
You can't fix it...and has POC supported her or Booker that would not be the case... Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #5
I think an election where we were not desperate to eliminate Trump would be different... hlthe2b Dec 2019 #15
I think you are right...and electability is very important when if we miss the mark Trump remains Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #37
Or three, or four... sop Dec 2019 #139
the old saying his complexion is pure gallows...Trump's is pure dictator. Yes you are right. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #187
This is exactly what underlies this. Biden is KPN Dec 2019 #51
Unlikely about Bloomberg who will never win a general. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #64
I would have thought that he could easily win the general election... Mars and Minerva Dec 2019 #86
He can't win the general...for the same reason Buttigeig can't...no AA support...he is the stop and Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #186
He only has to convince the AA community that he can win the general election. Mars and Minerva Dec 2019 #224
Not with his record...he will not win a general...won't win the Mid West either. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #233
That's not how he ran NYC. Mars and Minerva Dec 2019 #237
I think he could win the general, perhaps by a large margin. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #158
I will vote for any nominee...but he won't win the states we need...he loses the EC. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #184
As I said, why bother with primaries if "support" is determined by pollsters before anyone gets a StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #16
I thought she qualified for the next debate?????? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #27
She qualified for the next debate, but she's been treated as a loser for weeks because of her StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #28
I personally think everyone with low numbers should drop out...what is the point? Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #34
I'm pretty sure that public letter and resignation of one of her top aides didn't help. nt Quackers Dec 2019 #35
You assume that AA voters will vote for AA candidates...that is not the case this year...Harris Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #33
You have to be able to raise money in order to compete in a primary. This is how it has always been. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #250
We need to defeat Trump... FarPoint Dec 2019 #6
Much as he annoys me sometimes, Van Jones was just talking about this tishaLA Dec 2019 #11
This is true StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #18
And their resumes have to be Bettie Dec 2019 #40
Jackie Robinson and Obama had to be way better than their competitors, too The Mouth Dec 2019 #120
This. Jirel Dec 2019 #168
I'd agree with you of the coverage didn't affect the polls StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #171
I see this just the opposite way. Jirel Dec 2019 #193
A U.S. Sitting Senator is Out from the largest and bluest state in the Nation is Out... LovingA2andMI Dec 2019 #76
I'm picking up this has more to do with money than race in Harris' opinion tirebiter Dec 2019 #12
This is nonsense. We had Obama as president. Hillary won the popular vote. redqueen Dec 2019 #14
Obama was president and that's proof that the playing field is perfectly even and minorities no StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #21
Strawman. It's proof that the primaries are not the obstacle redqueen Dec 2019 #23
What do you want the DNC to do? DrToast Dec 2019 #24
Does the DNC want to win in the future? LovingA2andMI Dec 2019 #54
lol....figures DrToast Dec 2019 #56
LOL...TRUTH.. LovingA2andMI Dec 2019 #70
The LOL is you can't even come up with a solution DrToast Dec 2019 #74
What's Funny.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2019 #80
There is nothing to figure out...people appeal to voters...and there are polls and those candidates Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #71
So, why bother voting. Let's just pick our nominee with opinion polls? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #82
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #154
Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2019 #167
People have to be able to win...I think Harris made some real mistakes in this campaign which would Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #42
This.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2019 #60
So is Barack Obama.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2019 #44
What? nt redqueen Dec 2019 #57
Can't understand? LovingA2andMI Dec 2019 #62
K&R ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #19
While I very much disagree with all arguments that are based on electability... TCJ70 Dec 2019 #20
How do we know who she appealed to when not a single vote had been cast? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #25
So...what? 20+ candidates at every debate until voting starts? TCJ70 Dec 2019 #31
You have to be able to raise money in order to run for president...well before any votes are cast. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #47
We follow her lead. Quackers Dec 2019 #53
No one made her drop out. Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #79
So you're saying that Delaney has the same ability to win as Warren? brooklynite Dec 2019 #140
+1 Docreed2003 Dec 2019 #175
First Step: Start the Dem primary season in states with greater diversity. JaneQPublic Dec 2019 #22
Thank you. StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #26
Do you think Kamala would still be in if the race started in California? Renew Deal Dec 2019 #49
Those polling numbers don't apply to a race that starts in CA. JaneQPublic Dec 2019 #58
She needs to advertise in CA? Renew Deal Dec 2019 #63
And they knew her equally well in Feb when she was polling at 53 percent. JaneQPublic Dec 2019 #94
Ahhhh, but you made my point Renew Deal Dec 2019 #96
No, you're point was that CA voters already knew her. JaneQPublic Dec 2019 #114
Which state should go first? Renew Deal Dec 2019 #116
We need a national primary Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2019 #147
Your solution for a candidate who can't raise money is to start in a State where money is critical? brooklynite Dec 2019 #143
THIS Takket Dec 2019 #203
The DNC has no say treestar Dec 2019 #255
But it has influence. JaneQPublic Dec 2019 #262
It's up to the state; hopefully anyone could have "influence." treestar Dec 2019 #263
And yet the FL and MI primaries are still in March... JaneQPublic Dec 2019 #264
It's almost like... SaschaHM Dec 2019 #29
This, a thousand times. spicysista Dec 2019 #46
He definitely has it. SaschaHM Dec 2019 #50
Biden doesn't use his debate superpowers against fellow Democrats. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #92
Thank you, Sacha StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #55
Well put, thanks. nt PunkinPi Dec 2019 #176
How are we supposed to fix something based of the choice of voters? IluvPitties Dec 2019 #30
Have there been any votes yet? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #65
And the media drives the polls to their benefit. nt Autumn Dec 2019 #217
Bless your heart nbsmom Dec 2019 #67
So.... squirecam Dec 2019 #189
She'll run 3rd party anyway Bettie Dec 2019 #221
Not this again treestar Dec 2019 #257
+1 treestar Dec 2019 #256
Wait...When Did Cory Booker Drop Out?? The_Counsel Dec 2019 #32
He hadn't qualified for the December debate as of today. nbsmom Dec 2019 #39
Seems Booker Should Be the One Dropping Out Then... The_Counsel Dec 2019 #77
or duval patrick..... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #45
Hmmm... are you just being obtuse here? nbsmom Dec 2019 #73
booker hasn't qualified either... (has he?).... but he is still in the race getagrip_already Dec 2019 #84
Gabbard is a POC as well dsc Dec 2019 #141
I Almost Forgot About Him. :-O The_Counsel Dec 2019 #81
nope, no chance given when he entered.... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #90
I Think His Plan Was to Focus on South Carolina as a Springboard... The_Counsel Dec 2019 #103
We still have women, Jews, a gay fellow, and a Russian asset IronLionZion Dec 2019 #41
I will vote for any nominee and I don't care who the VP is...for God sakes didn't we learn the Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #52
Booker talked about a big decrease in the turnout among African-Americans in Milwaukee IronLionZion Dec 2019 #66
Good thing that in Joe Biden we have a Democrat who is widely popular with black voters. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #78
Older black voters like him because of his past work with the black community on important issues IronLionZion Dec 2019 #87
I don't think that's the reason older black voters like him StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #95
Those are both good points IronLionZion Dec 2019 #113
There was also a great deal of voter suppression in those area...particularly Milwaukee...the Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #89
Examples? LAS14 Dec 2019 #181
I'll assume your question is in good faith IronLionZion Dec 2019 #211
First, thanks SO MUCH for assuming good faith on my part. LAS14 Dec 2019 #244
Each of us understands issues that impact us, but may not understand issues that don't IronLionZion Dec 2019 #249
How do they expect it to be fixed? Renew Deal Dec 2019 #43
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #61
Pretty funny as I see a Biden/Harris ticket as landslide all beachbumbob Dec 2019 #68
I would prefer Stacy Abrams which give us a shot at Georgia and could help the Senate race too... Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #93
You will need to fix the Democratic electorate then Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #69
What "electorate"? The people selected by pollsters to be polled? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #88
Wrong on several counts. Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #165
A prime example of institutionalized racism GitRDun Dec 2019 #72
The reason she is out is that she was not competitive with voters in South Carolina...nothing to do Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #101
Does not change the argument in the least. GitRDun Dec 2019 #130
I am against holding first two primaries in those states...but I doubt it would have helped Harris. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #156
No, the reason she dropped out was due to money. She said so herself. LonePirate Dec 2019 #148
She did not get money because she was not doing well with voters in South Carolina...AA vote is a Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #153
SC has hardly mattered so far. The state makes the news far less than IA or even NH. LonePirate Dec 2019 #163
Iowa and New Hampshire are not determinant this year...if she had support AA outside of these two Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #183
Sheesh TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #83
This. KentuckyWoman Dec 2019 #239
I might be white but I vote the person marlakay Dec 2019 #85
I agree with you...while race is in this country a factor as is misogyny...we must vote the person Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #107
I see that as African Americans marlakay Dec 2019 #115
I do too...when I asked my Gay daughter why she was not supporting Buttigeig (supports Warren) Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #192
One of my daughter's likes Biden marlakay Dec 2019 #236
K&R WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #91
The DNC does not control who makes it thru. LiberalFighter Dec 2019 #97
I wonder if people here would be so cavalier about this if only men were in the next debate StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #102
Nobody forced Harris out DrToast Dec 2019 #106
That is going to happen because none of our women candidates are polling that well at Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #109
Warren isn't going away squirecam Dec 2019 #191
That is simply not true. Neither are doing well. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #198
Why do you not like men? TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #170
What has that got to do with the DNC treestar Dec 2019 #259
You should do some research on institutional raciam StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #261
Than that is on the states treestar Dec 2019 #265
As I said, you need to study up on institutional racism StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #266
It's so much easier to just blame the DNC for fixing it treestar Dec 2019 #258
It's partly result of Iowa and New Hampshire always going first Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2019 #98
South Carolina was the key for Harris...and she is not doing well there. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #111
It's also due to other factors, perhaps frazzled Dec 2019 #127
If she hadn't lied about Biden - OhZone Dec 2019 #99
Biden was VP for Obama bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #108
The wrong person dropped out. Cartoonist Dec 2019 #110
I find that sad...I have had nominees that I liked better than others...but I always did my best to Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #119
I always vote blue Cartoonist Dec 2019 #126
We do seem to be good at that. Rainbow Droid Dec 2019 #144
I am sorry...misunderstood....yeah I have nightmares about this...I too fear Trump could win. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #190
That's why I prefer we get him now Cartoonist Dec 2019 #195
I wish we could but the senate won't convict. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #202
Attack your enemies' weak point Cartoonist Dec 2019 #205
Good point...something happened when he went to the hospital. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #227
I think that one of the issues that affected Harris is that black voters TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #112
Booker had issues in Newark that I find troubling as well. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #122
Harris was my top choice until that info came out and she just didn't ease concerns. Chemisse Dec 2019 #166
Whoa everyone--we have a way to go and an open convention not to mention a VP to choose randr Dec 2019 #121
The comparison to the Repub debate is BS. onenote Dec 2019 #123
It's bizarre how media thinks Democrats always have problems. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2019 #124
And how we tend to perpetuate that.... TwilightZone Dec 2019 #151
This is how it has shaken out because of the polls madaboutharry Dec 2019 #125
"African-American voters are backing Biden in large numbers". crazytown Dec 2019 #133
I still think BigOleDummy Dec 2019 #128
I disagree with the tweets LeftTurn3623 Dec 2019 #129
Yes lunatica Dec 2019 #131
K&R . we gotta walk the walk. now Kurt V. Dec 2019 #132
Blaming potential voters probably won't accomplish much. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #134
Racial and Sexual equality means... brooklynite Dec 2019 #135
She didn't get enough support from potential voters. This happens every primary FloridaBlues Dec 2019 #136
It is not the party's fault Kamala did not manage her campaign properly RhodeIslandOne Dec 2019 #137
I am sure it has nothing to do with two of the whitest states in the country being the first to vote LonePirate Dec 2019 #138
Senator Harris main problem IMHO is she didn't have a clear message. Sound bites aren't enough still_one Dec 2019 #142
The Dem Primary has been vicious Dopers_Greed Dec 2019 #145
OMG this is the worst of the PC shot in the foot LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #149
SHE made HER choice. We dems had very little to do with it. Baltimike Dec 2019 #157
Sorry, I don't buy that one bit. Chakaconcarne Dec 2019 #160
Random twitter people awesomerwb1 Dec 2019 #161
Surely you can't be serious, and don't call me Shirley!!! Sparko55 Dec 2019 #162
So what's the solution? BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #169
Have we all forgotten that Democrats radical noodle Dec 2019 #172
The whole narrative is somewhat irrational. BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #174
Well, they did have Ben Carson and Herman Cain radical noodle Dec 2019 #179
its still got 4 women a gay guy and an asian guy.. samnsara Dec 2019 #177
I don't agree. ancianita Dec 2019 #180
Attorney General Kamala Harris has a nice ring to it. joost5 Dec 2019 #185
These tweets are incongruous with the fact that POC are supporting Biden, cry baby Dec 2019 #188
Some AA voters support Biden. Many support other candidates. That's beside the point StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #196
I believe it's more than "some". My point is that the Dems put forth cry baby Dec 2019 #201
But the party didn't "choose" anyone. Not a single vote has been cast StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #204
I can agree that the media shows bias, which can affect which candidate succeeds. cry baby Dec 2019 #206
I hear you - but praising "the field we started with" for its diversity while that field has been StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #208
I understand what you're saying. cry baby Dec 2019 #214
I hope we will StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #218
Me too! nt cry baby Dec 2019 #219
Welcome to every election ever. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #209
I know this is how it's worked for a couple of decades. It doesn't mean it's right StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #212
Yup... the problem being whistler162 Dec 2019 #194
Lots of factors cause candidates to fall in the polls ... StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #213
She shouldn't have assisted in the railroading of Al Franken or tried to paint Joe as a racist madville Dec 2019 #215
The attack on Biden was the beginning of the end. Mars and Minerva Dec 2019 #225
Truth! loyalsister Dec 2019 #222
It's very sad to see so many people here completely dismiss that component as if it doesn't exist StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #223
Very loyalsister Dec 2019 #226
I don't agree Jarqui Dec 2019 #229
You've missed the point StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #230
Oh squirecam Dec 2019 #231
I think you're missing the point Jarqui Dec 2019 #234
I'm not missing the point at all StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #235
Again, I disagree Jarqui Dec 2019 #246
Very well stated. Thanks. nt LAS14 Dec 2019 #245
How is this a problem of the Democratic party? Everyone knew the rules when they jumped in. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2019 #238
Agreed. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #240
It looks like Tulsi will be in for a while Jose Garcia Dec 2019 #247
How close is Booker to qualifying? NewJeffCT Dec 2019 #248
It's kind of how it works....Polls drive funding...it has squat to do with the DNC AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #254
Last time, there was one woman in the debates. Eric J in MN Dec 2019 #260
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