Democratic Primaries

AncientGeezer

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151. I know of Palmetto....on their site they don't claim to be 50% lower priced

Reply to Devil Child (Reply #148)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 04:37 PM

Nov 2019

than say ...Cheaper Than Dirt, or GunPartsCo. or Midway....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Beto was really hurt by "Hell yes we're...... [View all] Prosper Nov 2019 OP

Even people who hate guns started to distance themselves from him. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #1

Not me. BlueStater Nov 2019 #3

"There's zero reasons to own those sort of guns" Prosper Nov 2019 #14

So, if it comes down to your life or that of an attacker customerserviceguy Nov 2019 #37

I think most people could not pull the trigger Prosper Nov 2019 #55

Yours is an accurate example of 'absurdum ad reductio.' Again. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #70

How many times a year does the scenario of "it coming NoMoreRepugs Nov 2019 #78

One can tell if a person is concerned about his and his family's safety by looking at the doors Kaleva Nov 2019 #81

An AR-15 is perfect for home self-defense or defense of others in many situations. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #20

"a single 5.56 round can stop a threatening person" BlueStater Nov 2019 #21

Please allow me to explain a few things so that you might understand my position better. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #24

I don't think "less energy" means much in regards to humans getting hit by them. BlueStater Nov 2019 #32

You're right. No one uses legal machine guns to kill people. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #35

What is your definition of a "common rifle"? Marengo Nov 2019 #58

This, I guess? BlueStater Nov 2019 #62

You must be joking. Are you seriously arguing a tube fed, manually lever action is as effective... Marengo Nov 2019 #64

Pretty sure a human is equally as dead or incapacitated if hit by a bullet from one. BlueStater Nov 2019 #65

The metric is neutralizing the threat, and the AR15 is more effective at achieving that than a... Marengo Nov 2019 #68

You neutralize a threat by putting a bullet in it. BlueStater Nov 2019 #72

Hahahahahaha! "Minor operating differences"???? Marengo Nov 2019 #82

Never claimed I knew much about guns. BlueStater Nov 2019 #85

You admit you are not knowledgeable, but expect to be taken seriously when you posit a... Marengo Nov 2019 #89

They shoot and kill criminals. In this circumstance, that's all you need to know. BlueStater Nov 2019 #93

How can you not understand that in a self defense role the AR is SUPERIOR to a lever action rifle? Marengo Nov 2019 #99

Why are you so obtuse? BlueStater Nov 2019 #110

If volume of accurate and effective fire is your metric of power, the AR is clearly the superior... Marengo Nov 2019 #132

Why do you need "multiple" rounds fired at once to stop a criminal? BlueStater Nov 2019 #139

How often do you shoot? What type of firearm do you shoot? Have you shot an AR platform... Marengo Nov 2019 #140

Another example of one individual armed with an AR15 defeating multiple armed intruders, one... Marengo Nov 2019 #133

More gun-lover BS. Christ, this is not a war zone. Get real. Hoyt Nov 2019 #127

If it were not for folks like you Hoyt, many people probably wouldn't be armed at all... Marengo Nov 2019 #134

More gunner BS, taking things out of context to protect your gunz. Hoyt Nov 2019 #137

The only relevant context is that if folks like you didn't rob others homes, it's likely fewer... Marengo Nov 2019 #142

Is that why you are armed and promote gunz? Hoyt Nov 2019 #144

Having had two of my homes burglarized, in part. Has the possibility of encountering an armed... Marengo Nov 2019 #149

You'll get hit by lightning before you get an answer..I asked the same question..Zip AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #152

It appears most experts say the shotgun is the most effective long gun for home defense Kaleva Nov 2019 #91

A shotgun is heavier, harder to aim, more destructive to things around the target, and has LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #103

I don't think you know much about shotguns Kaleva Nov 2019 #109

I own three, and I've been shooting since I was 6. I can handle my SXP with no problem. LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #117

Then you would know that what you said previously wasn't accurate. Kaleva Nov 2019 #118

A 12-gauge loaded with slugs would kick the woman in the video I posted through the wall LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #119

Why would you have a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 3" magnum rifled slugs for home defense? Kaleva Nov 2019 #120

If you honestly believe she needs a firearm for home defense, then why would you limit her LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #121

Because for the following Kaleva Nov 2019 #123

Best of luck to you both LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #126

Everybody's situation is different. There is no one correct answer. Kaleva Nov 2019 #129

I decided on a pistol caliber carbine as the primary for home defense. Marengo Nov 2019 #135

I've considered that myself and might still do so. Kaleva Nov 2019 #143

The ballistics of an AR 15 are similar to the guns available Prosper Nov 2019 #56

The AR-15 can fire anything from .22 cal. to shotgun shells Kaleva Nov 2019 #94

Not "out of the box" ..and certainly not w/out changing uppers & barrels AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #111

It's becomeing more and more popular for people to build the AR-15 they want. Kaleva Nov 2019 #112

It would come assembled..."out of the box" AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #114

There is that option for people with money. To buy one preassembled. Kaleva Nov 2019 #115

Where do you buy your parts....50%...send me a link. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #122

Start with Palmetto State Armory Devil Child Nov 2019 #148

I know of Palmetto....on their site they don't claim to be 50% lower priced AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #151

My error. Kaleva Nov 2019 #161

Got'cha AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #163

Two men armed with handguns enter an occupied home, woman with AR15 kills one and drives... Marengo Nov 2019 #57

You're just nitpicking. BlueStater Nov 2019 #63

Nope, the example effectively destroys your argument, but I understand your need to minimize it Marengo Nov 2019 #66

How? What did you prove? BlueStater Nov 2019 #71

For a strawman to exist, a valid point must be made. You failed in that regard, and I failed to Marengo Nov 2019 #83

The point was that other, less devastating guns can be used effectively for protection. BlueStater Nov 2019 #86

How does someone who proudly admits to lacking knowledge have the credibility to declare... Marengo Nov 2019 #90

You proved an AR-15 can kill a criminal. BlueStater Nov 2019 #92

Nope, you argued handguns are the equal of an AR in a self defense situation. In the citation, ONE.. Marengo Nov 2019 #98

You have ZERO evidence that the same thing couldn't have happened with a Winchester. BlueStater Nov 2019 #108

LOL Wut? We know exactly how this "played out", and how it did is not favorable to your argument. Marengo Nov 2019 #131

You have a news piece. It's not the same as actually being there and it never will be. BlueStater Nov 2019 #138

They are real-life incidents that suggest your claim of "redundancy" may be unfounded. A claim... Marengo Nov 2019 #141

I totally agree mainstreetonce Nov 2019 #101

I liked his condemning "assault weapons." I get, you like them. Hoyt Nov 2019 #10

I think that the RFing came long before Beto made his comments in the September debate. TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #22

Beto had more advantages than most. Money, media darling, RFK aura, good exposure from senate race. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #38

I'm certain that you would like for me to answer TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #39

I, for one, have no idea what you're talking about. cwydro Nov 2019 #47

Are you talking about the Sirota's criticism about Beto's donations from oil company employees? aikoaiko Nov 2019 #52

Several have asked the same question, Tipperary Nov 2019 #69

Beto's campaign woes were not the result of ratfucking. cwydro Nov 2019 #44

Bullshit. His poll numbers didn't change much after that statement. dalton99a Nov 2019 #2

Exactly! In my book, Beto became an even more attractive candidate after his strong anti-gun stand. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #12

Copied " Bullshit. His poll numbers didn't change much after that statement." Prosper Nov 2019 #16

You made the assertion, you provide the evidence. dalton99a Nov 2019 #17

What hurt Beto? Prosper Nov 2019 #18

Pardon me because I try to avoid using this language, TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #34

"Beto O'Rourke unfazed by weak poll numbers" Aritcle published 06/09/2019 01:09 PM EDT Kaleva Nov 2019 #60

But he got no benefit from it..even amoungst Democratic Primary voters..it didn't help AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #150

Reads like something's from an NRA "we're not that bad" propaganda operation. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #4

This area here is starting to look and sound like 2016 and we know Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #8

Beto has got time. He is 47 years old. I thnk there will be more opportunites.. Stuart G Nov 2019 #5

+1 MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #6

+1 -K&R onetexan Nov 2019 #30

Agreed. That applause line felt good at time but it wasn't worth it. brush Nov 2019 #7

Absolutely not true. It wasn't an "applause line" nt Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #25

Applause line or not, it wasn't worth it. He's out and there was much hope for him. brush Nov 2019 #42

"wasn't worth it" implies conscious purpose. He expressed Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #51

Beto was struggling in the polls as far back as May Kaleva Nov 2019 #61

No he wasn't. Beto has won the "purity" award for the Dem 2020 primary season. McCamy Taylor Nov 2019 #9

If we don't win DownriverDem Nov 2019 #11

He certainly didn't do himself any favors with that stance. cwydro Nov 2019 #13

Beto is young. He has lots more opportunities, such as being VP onetexan Nov 2019 #31

Time will tell. cwydro Nov 2019 #43

Sheez a bit judgmental aren't we onetexan Nov 2019 #48

Not a judgment, simply an opinion. cwydro Nov 2019 #49

If anything, Beto should have gotten a boost from the more ardent pro-control types. Kaleva Nov 2019 #15

I thought he would too wildflower Nov 2019 #96

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Hi TexasTowlie MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #28

I'm undecided at this point. TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #33

I always thought that Texas was a long shot for us even with Beto in the race MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #41

Wow, bitter much? cwydro Nov 2019 #46

There was absolutely zero bullshit Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #26

+1 MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #29

Beto was right to say that. We need to start taking guns and removing them from the streets. LonePirate Nov 2019 #27

'We need to start taking guns' Celerity Nov 2019 #75

Except your commonsense, realistic gun legislation won't solve the problem or even come close. LonePirate Nov 2019 #76

So work to repeal the 2nd Amendment, I hope you are younger than me (I am 23) as I will not see Celerity Nov 2019 #77

He should have stayed out of this one, but was pressured on social media Baked Potato Nov 2019 #36

bullshit. jcgoldie Nov 2019 #40

Evidence? Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #45

It was an act of desperation. hack89 Nov 2019 #50

This. cwydro Nov 2019 #53

Beto has absolutely positively the right frame of mind Prosper Nov 2019 #54

It can't be a radical complaint if it's varified...you said Beto verified it AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #158

I agree with his message and I don't think civilians should own AR-15s, AK-47s, etc. OliverQ Nov 2019 #59

I thank him for saying it. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #67

Where is the evidence of this claim? Joe941 Nov 2019 #73

There is none. Polls were on Beto's side nationally and in Texas liskddksil Nov 2019 #74

Wait, polls were on his side? Tipperary Nov 2019 #80

This thread is referring to a specific policy of mandatory buybacks that Beto proposed liskddksil Nov 2019 #87

But that support did not translate support for Beto Kaleva Nov 2019 #95

Huh? Tipperary Nov 2019 #97

I don't know how to respond to this one? nt liskddksil Nov 2019 #106

I asked why did he quit. Tipperary Nov 2019 #107

+1. It is revisionist bullshit dalton99a Nov 2019 #88

Democrats have sacrificed WAY too much to bad gun control policies already. k2qb3 Nov 2019 #79

I said it before... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #84

Reality backs that sentiment up Cosmocat Nov 2019 #102

He was hurt by the media because he is not courting robbedvoter Nov 2019 #100

Beto took a bold and long-overdue step forward for rational gun safety dlk Nov 2019 #104

He might be selected vice-president candidate Katalino Nov 2019 #105

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2019 #116

Who knows MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #124

No. nt Tipperary Nov 2019 #130

I'll decalre Now... No.....he won't be. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #159

I know this was political suicide for Beto... sacto95834 Nov 2019 #113

Your view may not be as unpopular as you think MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #125

Popular here, except for a few gunners. Hoyt Nov 2019 #128

But it didn't increase support in the Democratic Primary voter base outside of here. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #153

Ah, go oil your gunz, Old Geezer. You'll get more agreement on the Discussionist. Hoyt Nov 2019 #154

My stuff is fine....I'm obsessive about maintenance... ATV's, trucks, boat, anything AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #155

More out of context links from a gunner. Hoyt Nov 2019 #156

"More out of context links from a gunner." AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #157

So why hasn't Tulsi been hurt by any of her comments?? Blue_Tires Nov 2019 #136

There is a phone conference tonight for Beto suppoters Gothmog Nov 2019 #145

This the first I've heard of this MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #146

I miss the call but here is a story about this call Gothmog Nov 2019 #147

Thank you MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Tipperary Nov 2019 #160