Democratic Primaries

Hoyt

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43. Agree, we must win. Not sure MFA is a winner for us, though, putting us farther away from goal of

Reply to BlueMTexpat (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:50 AM

Nov 2019

universal coverage.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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No Mondale moment: Elizabeth Warren releases her plan to finance 'Medicare for All' [View all] BeyondGeography Nov 2019 OP

OMG this is a disaster. 5+ TRILLION a yr? The current full US budget is less than that. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #1

Actually, this is a disaster BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #3

And it doesnt add up to nearly 5 TRILLION dollars a yr either. Good luck winning with that. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #4

It's a fact that health care is creeping up on 20% of GDP BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #11

When I was working my individual coverage was under $2,000, and when I went on my wife's.... George II Nov 2019 #12

Kaisers numbers include the employer contribution. crazytown Nov 2019 #16

I had "Cadillac" insurance through my Union, but have friends and family who pay thousands per month Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #27

I think Kaiser would have a firm grip on what the numbers are, crazytown Nov 2019 #13

My wife & I are paying close to $16k/yr for a decent silver plan. CaptainTruth Nov 2019 #19

My Florida plan as a single is $9,500 per year for a silver level plan. Blue_true Nov 2019 #64

Plus what the employer pays SLClarke Nov 2019 #44

It is a disaster ... and exactly why MFA makes good sense. KPN Nov 2019 #47

This is not accurate, the average family doesn't pay 20k in HCI uponit7771 Nov 2019 #22

As crazytown has pointed out, this is what the plans cost BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #24

Then its still inaccurate, the average company isn't putting half of 20,000 into HCI payments ... uponit7771 Nov 2019 #26

You can't separate premiums from deductibles and copays Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #28

Still not 20,000 per family, I'll believe this claim when the company part of 20k is sourced. uponit7771 Nov 2019 #30

Here is the link to the survey NewJeffCT Nov 2019 #40

That is not the median its an average which includes the NFL commissioners ungodly HCI plan uponit7771 Nov 2019 #50

middle class sofarfrome Nov 2019 #33

Thanks, and welcome. elleng Nov 2019 #45

So if we spend 18% of GDP now, why is this plan going to spend 20+%? oldsoftie Nov 2019 #65

If we keep things as is it goes that high by 2026 BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #66

By 2026, this plans costs wouldnt rise? Of course they would. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #67

My family pays close to that. SomewhereInTheMiddle Nov 2019 #56

"average" is the key word and not all families have more than 2 people in it. uponit7771 Nov 2019 #74

I was recently offered a job ProfessorPlum Nov 2019 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Nov 2019 #71

Americans don't vote based on cost of plans. Turin_C3PO Nov 2019 #8

Thanks, and we shouldn't vote 'based on cost of plans,' elleng Nov 2019 #46

But they may vote based on them thinking they're going to lose what they already LIKE oldsoftie Nov 2019 #55

There is NO increase in the amount being spent on health care. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #10

A recap of what we've seen over the last few days with these "plans"... George II Nov 2019 #14

I don't see your point. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #20

perhaps you missed something sofarfrome Nov 2019 #25

How will people receive an additional $12k in take home pay? MichMan Nov 2019 #34

Uhh... wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #48

No, it's a distraction for fools. If other nations can afford national Hortensis Nov 2019 #51

And has this thread was being opened the media is now attacking this plan................ turbinetree Nov 2019 #2

This is a disaster and will cost us the general if she is the candidate...but I honestly think that Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #6

I don't believe the job loss predictions... cannabis_flower Nov 2019 #38

+100 SterlingPound Nov 2019 #32

The details don't matter much, but this does two important things... thesquanderer Nov 2019 #5

Honestly that is just not true...they will poke holes in her plan and use it against her and us. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #7

Every Democrat running will have to defend her many plans...not just this one. Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #9

The "I have a plan for that" is getting overused... George II Nov 2019 #15

I've been saying that from the beginning. Too many plans. Pick... Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #17

$20 trillion? It is going to be a whole lot more than that. dansolo Nov 2019 #18

Good on Warren for releasing this backtoblue Nov 2019 #21

Unnnn, I might change my thinking for Warren if this plan is viable. I've been waiting on her to ... uponit7771 Nov 2019 #23

That's where she's positioned herself now backtoblue Nov 2019 #29

Will be interesting to see how Sanders and Warren reconcile the overall cost. Sanders says $34 T Hoyt Nov 2019 #31

I trust Eiizabeth's numbers more. BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #35

Agree, we must win. Not sure MFA is a winner for us, though, putting us farther away from goal of Hoyt Nov 2019 #43

I don't follow your logic BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #57

If Warren gets nomination and loses general election, we are farther away. Hoyt Nov 2019 #60

Why would Warren lose the BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #69

I will support the Democratic nominee, thank you. She'll lose, especially if trump is out Hoyt Nov 2019 #72

I do not share BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #75

K&R MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #36

Statement from Biden campaign Gothmog Nov 2019 #37

Joe received 2% support from IA voters under 45 in today's NYT/Sienna poll BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #41

It's a paradox to me Midnightwalk Nov 2019 #39

What's with the dis to Mondale? geardaddy Nov 2019 #42

He was too honest and said we need to raise taxes wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #49

This plan just made the perfect graphic for all attack ads against Democrats Baked Potato Nov 2019 #52

So you are advising GOPers now? BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #58

Yeah, because nobody else could figure that out Baked Potato Nov 2019 #62

You would do BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #70

I like Warren. She is one of a few that wnylib Nov 2019 #53

This is a combination of a brilliant cost-shifting plan and one that makes medical care universal andym Nov 2019 #59

Sounds good as you describe it but how wnylib Nov 2019 #63

Glad I took the initiative to plan my life, TRICARE. 😉 Raymond O Nov 2019 #54

"... her plan would keep combined public and private health spending..." OilemFirchen Nov 2019 #61

a nearly $9 trillion payroll tax (or, perhaps, a head tax with some small-business carve outs Gothmog Nov 2019 #68

Exclusive: Economist who backed Warren healthcare plan has doubts about her wealth tax Gothmog Nov 2019 #76