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ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
77. Maybe I'm pessimistic
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 03:21 AM
Sep 2019

But when I look at his history and hear him say "the votes just aren't there" for things that would help relay people, it just doesn't inspire me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
YES! empedocles Sep 2019 #1
We did fine tonight. Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #2
True enough, but we should've won 5starlib Sep 2019 #3
R+12 district because of extreme gerrymander. EndGOPPropaganda Sep 2019 #5
Turnout should be higher for Dems in 2020, Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #7
that's like saying Republicans should have won NYC JI7 Sep 2019 #38
I wouldn't say fine. Polls gave the Dems a chance... Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #9
He overperformed in Mecklenburg. GOP vote took a 10% drop tonight. blm Sep 2019 #12
And yet still lost by a larger margin than he did back in November. Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #15
GOP took a huge 10% drop tonight in a very red district. blm Sep 2019 #18
Not compared to 2018. Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #21
People are used to Nov elections. You WANT to see a horror story blm Sep 2019 #23
What horror story? Control-Z Sep 2019 #33
I wanted to see the Democrats win. Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #34
Well, McCready is to the right of Biden, so what does that say? blm Sep 2019 #36
Ditto. People will be more likely to come out to vote especially for someone who advocates what most Doitnow Sep 2019 #49
2018 clearly said the issue is trump, not policy. Dems did not flip all those trump seats empedocles Sep 2019 #115
+1000 bigtree Sep 2019 #94
All of us did rockfordfile Sep 2019 #183
But I imagine Dem turnout Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #16
Right, and repugs under performed by 10+ points. elleng Sep 2019 #17
We need to field candidates for districts that fit the district...we might have won with someone Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #24
The Republicans were found to have committed fraud in the last election and still won. AJT Sep 2019 #28
Fine is not good enough. NYMinute Sep 2019 #46
McCready ran as a centrist blm Sep 2019 #50
He ran in North Carolina NYMinute Sep 2019 #55
Nah. Jeff Jackson would win in that district, and he's a progressive. blm Sep 2019 #59
That district is pretty moderate/leaning right. You have to play to your district. bearsfootball516 Sep 2019 #90
I have no problem with McCready being the dem candidate for the NC 9th TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #190
There are people who think Beto is ultra-revolutionary. RhodeIslandOne Sep 2019 #182
Beto is a center-left progressive NYMinute Sep 2019 #187
Welcome to DU, 5starlib! EndGOPPropaganda Sep 2019 #4
Thank you!! 5starlib Sep 2019 #6
I fear the OP is drawing the wrong lesson. kaiserhog Sep 2019 #8
The OP is not what the 40 or so vulnerable Dems will assume. empedocles Sep 2019 #20
Not attacking anybody. kaiserhog Sep 2019 #51
The GOAL is getting rid of trump. The OP rcognized that. There are two radically empedocles Sep 2019 #88
tRump calls Democrats trhe "far-left", as does the entire frigging GOP. But feed right into it if KPN Sep 2019 #109
Well, I remember tRump sounding just like Bernie toward the end of the 2016 election..... Doitnow Sep 2019 #120
Exactly TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #129
trump is effectively scaring voters away from Biden with 'socialists' and ''far leftists' type Dems. empedocles Sep 2019 #130
These districts will be redrawn for 2020. vsrazdem Sep 2019 #10
Trump won NC9 by 12%. Huge 10% drop. Panic posts are absurd blm Sep 2019 #11
hah i almost word for word said what you said without seeing your post! Tiggeroshii Sep 2019 #14
Yup. KPN Sep 2019 #110
His unpopularity is what brought him down from +12 to +2.3 in 2018 and now. Tiggeroshii Sep 2019 #13
I agree Gothmog Sep 2019 #19
why was McCready not electable ? JI7 Sep 2019 #45
Not getting any answers. blm Sep 2019 #60
Welcome 5starlib! not_the_one Sep 2019 #22
Your fear based defeatism is duly noted Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #25
Agreed. It's a fear based agenda. n/t MarcA Sep 2019 #27
Dan McCready is center left. blm Sep 2019 #31
the OP is just talking points without any context JI7 Sep 2019 #47
It's also a fear-based argument to say that nominating a more moderate candidate will suppress highplainsdem Sep 2019 #61
"We simply DON'T KNOW in advance."... TreasonousBastard Sep 2019 #85
THIS KPN Sep 2019 #111
I thought we had already learned THIS in 2016. democratisphere Sep 2019 #26
In the GE? KPN Sep 2019 #112
McCready had no primary challenger. Where was the risk? floppyboo Sep 2019 #29
We will never know, though I suspect the chances in NC were and are not good. At the same time, KPN Sep 2019 #113
McCready is socialist-like? roody Sep 2019 #30
And revolutionary! KPN Sep 2019 #114
Close.... mbusby Sep 2019 #32
How was McCready a Risky Nominee ? JI7 Sep 2019 #35
McCready was the ideal candidate, but the broader point is about 2020 5starlib Sep 2019 #76
Or....maybe people would actually come out to vote for a Democrat LiberalLovinLug Sep 2019 #37
this candidate was different. anyone who didn't vote does not care for a liberal agenda JI7 Sep 2019 #39
We need a safe choice like Kerry or Clinton! nt Gore1FL Sep 2019 #40
That's right, there are no guarantees True Dough Sep 2019 #57
so maybe we need to run Joe Manchin for President. JI7 Sep 2019 #41
Can you tell us how McCready was a Risky Nominee ? JI7 Sep 2019 #42
you are right quickesst Sep 2019 #43
what was wrong with McCready ? JI7 Sep 2019 #44
nothing as far as I know.... quickesst Sep 2019 #52
but the OP is about the race with McCready JI7 Sep 2019 #53
simply put.... quickesst Sep 2019 #58
this district does not make up the politics/demograhpics of the country as a whole. JI7 Sep 2019 #64
this morning's New Hampshire poll.... quickesst Sep 2019 #86
Hillary won New Hampshire in 2016 JI7 Sep 2019 #92
don't know what.... quickesst Sep 2019 #139
So... are you saying we can't afford "Mr. Open Mouth, Insert Foot"? TygrBright Sep 2019 #48
MSNBC reported that the Minority vote under performed aeromanKC Sep 2019 #54
Or a Booker/anyone ticket. n/t pnwmom Sep 2019 #56
Jfc! It's always our fault and not the fault ecstatic Sep 2019 #65
So would a Harris/Buttigieg ticket. SKKY Sep 2019 #118
with Biden SOS aeromanKC Sep 2019 #144
If those three came together and made a deal for this... SKKY Sep 2019 #184
If the system is rigged from within No One is beating the Republican candidate by simply showing up. Ford_Prefect Sep 2019 #62
You make good points ArcticFox Sep 2019 #69
+1000 Duppers Sep 2019 #63
Biden may be a risky nominee Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #66
Warren or Sanders ArcticFox Sep 2019 #70
No they're not.. Not imo. Biden is leading in Cha Sep 2019 #168
There's ZERO evidence Warren is doing any good in any Rust Belt state 5starlib Sep 2019 #78
There is ZERO evidence for your claims Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #137
Remove 'Biden', insert 'any other candidate' and your posts means just as much... or little. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #119
Joe Biden's appeal actually isn't a mystery Gothmog Sep 2019 #126
Has nothing to do with his riskiness as a GE candidate Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #138
Do you really think that this would be an issue in the general vs. trump? Gothmog Sep 2019 #140
Without a doubt it is a concern Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #141
In the real world there are more important things to worry about Gothmog Sep 2019 #142
Here's an opinion piece with the opposite take Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #146
I stopped paying attention to Salon, the Intercept, Greenwald, Cen or TYT a long time ago Gothmog Sep 2019 #149
Attacking the messenger doesn't dispute the message Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #152
LOL Gothmog Sep 2019 #157
Biden voters do not care Gothmog Sep 2019 #143
Unfotunately Biden voters aren't even the majority of Democratic voters, much less GE voters Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #145
According to Nate more Democrats are closer to Biden than sanders or warren on the issues Gothmog Sep 2019 #150
Changing the subject shows the fallacy of your "points" Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #153
Meanwhile in the real world voters know that Joe Biden is the most electable candidate Gothmog Sep 2019 #159
NC-09 Is Nothing Like MI-Wi and PA DallasNE Sep 2019 #67
Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #71
"Biden is the DNC favorite. He's the preordained nominee. The big donors know he'll vote betsuni Sep 2019 #73
Maybe I'm pessimistic ArcticFox Sep 2019 #77
It's like America's Next Top Model or American Idol or Masterchef. betsuni Sep 2019 #80
You have to be the change treestar Sep 2019 #84
Wow! Cha Sep 2019 #163
What proof is there of that? treestar Sep 2019 #83
Stop with the bullshit right wing language -- KPN Sep 2019 #68
I'm an African-American, proud center-left member of the Democratic Party 5starlib Sep 2019 #74
One, no he doesn't. Two, you didn't limit your comment to Sanders. KPN Sep 2019 #106
He just talked about revolution: betsuni Sep 2019 #75
BS. The word "revolutionary" connotes KPN Sep 2019 #105
Well you should tell Bernie to stop talking about a revolution 5starlib Sep 2019 #121
Bernie has never said he is socialist. He talks about his organization "Our Revolution" not KPN Sep 2019 #123
I'll wait for your apology... 5starlib Sep 2019 #124
Some Sanders supporters don't seem to know him. betsuni Sep 2019 #134
I'm not a Bernie supporter. I'll defend him, yes, because I admire his tenacity in KPN Sep 2019 #156
No, that's not what I meant. betsuni Sep 2019 #158
What don't his supporters know about him? What makes you or anyone else think that you KPN Sep 2019 #161
Lol. Keep dreaming. KPN Sep 2019 #154
Here is Bernie saying "I am a socialist." betsuni Sep 2019 #133
Thanks! 5starlib Sep 2019 #135
You're welcome! betsuni Sep 2019 #136
Have you ever really listened to Sanders? Have you ever listen to how he defines or describes KPN Sep 2019 #160
"It strikes me that Bernie detractors prefer to focus on divisive labels" betsuni Sep 2019 #169
Mic drop 5starlib Sep 2019 #181
Lol. I guess I should have been more specific. And KPN Sep 2019 #185
"I'm not supporting Bernie." "Go ahead and try to discredit and ridicule all you want" betsuni Sep 2019 #189
KPN, those are all examples of government services provided Hortensis Sep 2019 #191
lol..Yes there is BS in his own words actually Cha Sep 2019 #166
Remember, revealing quotes is "bashing." betsuni Sep 2019 #174
lol.. oh "revealing" quotes, Cha Sep 2019 #177
And the billboard truck is fake news! betsuni Sep 2019 #178
Ah yes the revealing mobile vetting machine.. Cha Sep 2019 #180
..... KPN Sep 2019 #186
Have the last word and refute anything on that billboard truck. betsuni Sep 2019 #188
No, you stop calling him a "socialist-like/revolutionary". Your words verbatim. Are you on the KPN Sep 2019 #155
+1 TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #132
As do I obviously. KPN Sep 2019 #162
any worse than "corporatist, Establishment candidate?" treestar Sep 2019 #82
You must be kidding! Yes ... it's GOP talking points labeling. KPN Sep 2019 #104
Yes, how many times has Biden been called the "Establishment" on here? 5starlib Sep 2019 #122
Loaded? He is part of the established party leadership and has been for years. KPN Sep 2019 #167
Biden is an inside the beltway elite. Buzz cook Sep 2019 #172
"Establishment" clearly means "corrupt" the way it's being used. betsuni Sep 2019 #175
Wrong. We need to be more visionary. Go Bernie! Joe941 Sep 2019 #89
I believe you posted this in response to my KPN Sep 2019 #107
Economic models point to a Trump blowout in 2020. Gothmog Sep 2019 #127
Some Elliott Wavers predict a near term dji drop, followed by new highs in 2020. empedocles Sep 2019 #131
I am equally worried. And I'm particularly worried about Joe Biden being our nominee. The polls KPN Sep 2019 #170
Stop insulting her. Cha Sep 2019 #164
I disagree. What I saw was insults ... and I said so. If you see that as insults, I can't help KPN Sep 2019 #171
Congratulations.. you saw I edited. Cha Sep 2019 #176
Yeah, reality checks can be helpful. Nt BootinUp Sep 2019 #72
It's why I'm not supporting Biden for the nomination rpannier Sep 2019 #79
Precisely why Biden won't be the nominee. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #81
If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states Gothmog Sep 2019 #95
Yea, bullshit. McCready worked hard to avoid calling hinself a democrat ms liberty Sep 2019 #87
That's an accurate assessment. blm Sep 2019 #97
"Hayseeds." Nice insult to NC duers. cwydro Sep 2019 #91
Yes. Probably designed to do so. blm Sep 2019 #96
Spot on. cwydro Sep 2019 #100
Nonsense. Republicans who succeeded in that election because more of them turned out. bigtree Sep 2019 #93
Your fear voting suggests that we should only run Republican lights or conservatives. Autumn Sep 2019 #98
No.. it does Not "suggest" what you're saying at all. Cha Sep 2019 #173
Agreed. It would be a BIG mistake to think we can nominate anyone & they would beat Trump. elocs Sep 2019 #99
"Risky" is in the eye of the voter Tom Rinaldo Sep 2019 #101
Absolutely! redstatebluegirl Sep 2019 #102
Who, in your mind, is risky? Inform us more. Desert Dem Sep 2019 #103
Trump's policies aren't what got him elected. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #108
McCready ran as a centrist TheFarseer Sep 2019 #116
Exactly. Republican-lite won't cut it this time. Ford_Prefect Sep 2019 #148
77,740 votes people. That's all we have to overcome. SKKY Sep 2019 #117
Trump can win with 45% of the vote Gothmog Sep 2019 #125
You could argue the opposite TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #128
We can't afford even half a point. gulliver Sep 2019 #147
K and R oasis Sep 2019 #151
Nonsense Buzz cook Sep 2019 #165
lol.. some don't want this.. Thankfully most of the Cha Sep 2019 #179
The hardest job for the next president may be fixing Trump's mess Gothmog Sep 2019 #192
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