Democratic Primaries

House of Roberts

(5,162 posts)

4. Why couldn't the Dems get 60 Senate votes to break filibusters then?

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:21 PM

Aug 2019

It wouldn't have taken more than two or three 'really good Republicans'.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

500 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] left-of-center2012 Aug 2019 OP

Has he paid attention at all during the past 10 years? LonePirate Aug 2019 #1

Either he's delusional or he thinks this is the best way to become president. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #10

Of course, that's Biden's Strategy.. he Cha Aug 2019 #62

Did someone just say that a Democratic vice president wasn't paying attention lapucelle Aug 2019 #244

Yeah, not too smart. Cha Aug 2019 #376

If anyone here thinks that this election can be won Butterflylady Aug 2019 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Aug 2019 #141

I think you are making a valid and realistic point! at140 Aug 2019 #309

no, not really qazplm135 Aug 2019 #325

Turning out the base in larger numbers than we saw in 2016 is the key to winning in 2020. Period. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #331

There are some who definitely live in a bubble. Even Sanders not that long ago was still_one Oct 2019 #478

Or just get them to not vote for Trump dansolo Dec 2019 #496

Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #121

. RandiFan1290 Aug 2019 #127

Fair enough but I'm not the one calling him delusional... Joe941 Aug 2019 #133

And you should take your ageist slurs elsewhere as well. lpbk2713 Aug 2019 #138

Delusional as in dump delusional? Yeah self delete. nt UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #493

Got that right! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #58

Wonderful! DonaldsRump Aug 2019 #2

I'm praying he meant, "There are a lot of really God awful Republicans out there" and misspoke. TheBlackAdder Dec 2019 #495

Look, Joe, saying this is not good. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2019 #3

I know Joe means well... but, geez, it's not good is right! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #60

"Sad to see." BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #353

Why couldn't the Dems get 60 Senate votes to break filibusters then? House of Roberts Aug 2019 #4

Thought the same thing. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #246

And it has only gotten worse. JudyM Nov 2019 #484

List please rpannier Aug 2019 #5

Can someone who voted Republican for two-thirds of their life until 1996 be a good, decent person? Princetonian Aug 2019 #95

Of course rpannier Aug 2019 #119

I understand. Liz has gotten good and decent Republicans to co-sponsor her bills. She would know. Princetonian Aug 2019 #135

I see your point, andf maybe they would. Maybe not. But, I still want to see a list of who they are rpannier Aug 2019 #137

Anyone who compares repubs of 1996 to what's going on now is delusional Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #222

the poster is being very disengenuous about Warren, see post 428 Celerity Aug 2019 #430

Thank you for that great post! Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #433

YW, and feel free to use anything I post whenever/wherever you wish Celerity Aug 2019 #434

This! eom BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #482

If you are referring to Warren, you obviously have done very little research or are just Celerity Aug 2019 #428

Wow that slammed the door on that "tactic" Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #432

and yet it is still being done, exact same rot Celerity Aug 2019 #462

Yep, I tried to answer it the other day on another thread Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #463

I stepped in and back-filled for you on that one (you had mentioned me in your initial reply) Celerity Aug 2019 #464

Thanks, that was some great information Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #465

I think it madness to viciously attack other candidates, it only hurts our chances to beat Trump Celerity Aug 2019 #466

They made a choice loyalsister Aug 2019 #179

Agree 100% SharonClark Aug 2019 #205

The good people who see nothing, hear nothing, speak nothing, and defend Trump at every turn. dalton99a Aug 2019 #6

He also dissed the Democratic challenger delisen Aug 2019 #454

no, there IS NOT Skittles Aug 2019 #7

Is someone who volunteered for Goldwater & was/voted Republican until 1996 NOT A GOOD PERSON? Princetonian Aug 2019 #94

it's what you are *NOW* that counts Skittles Aug 2019 #389

this is flat out rubbish, Warren did not volunteer for Goldwater and the only Repug POTUS candidate Celerity Sep 2019 #468

Joe Biden is one of the very few that can and will reach across the aisle democratisphere Aug 2019 #8

Yes. elleng Aug 2019 #53

Yeah! He might even put a few in his cabinet SharonClark Aug 2019 #215

Doubtful. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #217

You never know what you might find in the rethuglicon closet. democratisphere Aug 2019 #236

Which ones will vote for the public option he wants? N/t TCJ70 Aug 2019 #301

Got to start somewhere. democratisphere Aug 2019 #341

Which ones will vote for the public option he wants? N/t TCJ70 Aug 2019 #314

The same ones who are going to vote for Warren's and Sanders' Medicare-for-all. Boom!!! Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #344

To be fair, Sanders consistently says BlueWI Aug 2019 #456

The Public Option, even if we hold the House, and take back the Senate by say 51-49 or so, will not Celerity Sep 2019 #469

Good points as usual! BlueWI Sep 2019 #470

thanks, and I take zero pleasure in playing the role of the pessimist, our healthcare system Celerity Sep 2019 #471

Here we go. Our daily dose of Biden Bashing. George II Aug 2019 #9

Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #11

What does this OP contribute on a site named "Democratic Underground"? Don't understand the point. George II Aug 2019 #25

It pushed public opinion to favor other candidates in the primary. LonePirate Aug 2019 #35

This isn't going to hurt Biden. It'll just be one more trivial complaint by people opposed to him highplainsdem Aug 2019 #40

+1000 Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #47

Not likely at all nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #67

What is wrong with getting the other side to vote for you and my brother is GOP still love him Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #268

Thanks - you are a voice of reason! Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #346

All designed to divide us, and it is working...I know who is doing it on twitter and HERE Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #279

Sounds like cuts to "entitlements" to me. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #12

Biden will never cut Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. You are taking a leap. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #20

"Entitlements", which is a right wing term anyway, aren't even mention anywhere here. George II Aug 2019 #27

Well, of course it does.. but you're wrong. Cha Aug 2019 #37

I'm baffled. What logic did you use to get to that conclusion? SharonClark Aug 2019 #218

Sounds: That's what happens when we hear rather than listen. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #445

The are either cowards or willingly complicit in the attempted murder of democracy. pangaia Aug 2019 #13

Nobody here knows 1/10000000 what Joe knows about Congress so I trust him. Princetonian Aug 2019 #14

WTF? Not any more. They are the cult of trump. Not helpful, Joe. And, not true. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2019 #15

These paragraphs are the most important from that article: highplainsdem Aug 2019 #16

+1, Biden obviously realizes there are Never Trumpers R B Garr Aug 2019 #17

Biden is optimistic about getting future Cha Aug 2019 #31

Yes! They are not going anywhere, so poaching a few of R B Garr Aug 2019 #38

Hi RB! Cha Aug 2019 #39

"why don't you all go home then, man" jberryhill Aug 2019 #18

Whole lot better than some of the language I see thrown around on social media. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #22

Obama does, too. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #29

That's right.. I remember Pres Obama Cha Aug 2019 #33

That's funny jberryhill Aug 2019 #34

"If you start off with the notion there's nothing you can do, well why don't you all go home then,.. Cha Aug 2019 #19

C'mon man, rational and sensible interpretation? What are you thinking? George II Aug 2019 #28

He is right. But he should save this rhetoric for the general election if he is the nominee. Chemisse Aug 2019 #113

So then if it had been Andy823 Aug 2019 #171

Of course NOT! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #197

Agree! For Biden to just immediately say all repubs area shit and not going to consider them?? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #191

I like the second paragraph in that quote treestar Aug 2019 #438

Great OP. Joe is a real statesman who knows how to build a coalition government. Princetonian Aug 2019 #21

That it did. Obama sent Joe in to negotiate--and Joe helped Obama get done what he wanted doing. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #24

USED to be, Joe. Used to be. You want to invite them in now? Because they always leave our ancianita Aug 2019 #23

I'll take build on Obama's legacy please. Nt BootinUp Aug 2019 #26

The Legacy that those 'good' republicans are successfully tearing apart? SharonClark Aug 2019 #229

The legacy that will help BootinUp Aug 2019 #330

That's what Americans want to hear. betsuni Aug 2019 #30

Most of the non-voters I know think both parties are the same Ponietz Aug 2019 #42

Yes, I shouldn't have said voters, I changed it. I meant Americans in general. betsuni Aug 2019 #44

And that's why Biden is leading in all of the national polls... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #46

yeah, no candidate who is actually running for office is going to say something different. JI7 Aug 2019 #56

Then how come he's the only one say this? melman Aug 2019 #57

because he gets more republican votes than others JI7 Aug 2019 #61

Like the BlueWave House Victory in Cha Aug 2019 #64

+10 to the 256th power. MineralMan Aug 2019 #223

Because he knows there will come a day when those 1-2 gop votes may mean the difference Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #262

Oh my goodness melman Aug 2019 #32

Sure... why there's Bob Dole, Dick Lugar, Arlen Spector... lots of them jberryhill Aug 2019 #36

Two of them are dead TSIAS Aug 2019 #82

Our closely-guarded narratives often force us to cherry-pick. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #446

Case in point - Joe helped to convince McCain (a decent Republican) to "thumbs down" the repeal of Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #41

Yes, we have Obamacare bc Biden Convinced Cha Aug 2019 #48

+1 betsuni Aug 2019 #54

+1,000,000 ucrdem Aug 2019 #85

Well, Republicans are an awful lot!!!!! Freethinker65 Aug 2019 #43

Adam Parkhomenko melman Aug 2019 #45

Joe was VP for 8 years. Parkhomenko presided over a failed presidential campiagn. Princetonian Aug 2019 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Aug 2019 #59

Merrick Garland. delisen Aug 2019 #70

Yeah, Biden couldn't make moscow mitch Cha Aug 2019 #87

Joe was not referring to Moscow Mitch, who is why Republicans have been intimidated. Princetonian Aug 2019 #109

McCain.. We ACA bc Biden convinced McCain to vote NO.. Cha Aug 2019 #49

i guess if you include the dead ones going back to Lincoln JI7 Aug 2019 #50

Biden carries a big unity stick. How refreshing! Deb Aug 2019 #52

Good way to put it, Deb.. "Biden carries a big Cha Aug 2019 #63

good and republicans should never be used in the same sentience. nt yaesu Aug 2019 #55

How did that "grand bargain" with Obama and the Rethugs work out? Capt. America Aug 2019 #65

Instead of saying.. ".. there's No hope for Cha Aug 2019 #66

smart !! We need to get the small fraction of Republicans who are 1/2 sane ! Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #68

It's called good politicking !!!! nt UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #494

Biden believes what he said... VarryOn Aug 2019 #69

What I find amusing is when Sanders said pretty much the same thing a while back, many of the still_one Aug 2019 #71

Was thinking exactly the same thing. betsuni Aug 2019 #72

I would expect some of the more "outraged" in this thread will be disappointed indeed if any still_one Aug 2019 #74

+1 BootinUp Aug 2019 #79

Link? Lordquinton Aug 2019 #81

Its there, but I will give you a better link where Sanders doesn't think trump voters are racists, still_one Aug 2019 #83

Interesting indeed Joe941 Aug 2019 #98

I was never comfortable with the 'deplorable' label. Chemisse Aug 2019 #114

I agree. It may be "feel good" catharsis for one's followers, but generalizations still_one Aug 2019 #123

Voters vs legislators. Not the same to. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #255

Can we make it to 400 posts? There's still time. TreasonousBastard Aug 2019 #390

Fascinating. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #490

"There's an awful lot of really good Republicans out there," myohmy2 Aug 2019 #73

This is Biden's consistent message. Would you recommend Sanders to say that there's an awful lot Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #76

Yes! myohmy2 Aug 2019 #134

"I do not believe that most of the people who are thinking about voting for Mr. Trump are racist..." LanternWaste Aug 2019 #447

Sorry but no, no. Intimidated? Leave the damn party. YOHABLO Aug 2019 #75

Who are you suggesting to "leave the party"? still_one Aug 2019 #84

Fine, but that shouldn't be a major campaign theme for any Democrat BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #77

To be fair - they are an awful lot jberryhill Aug 2019 #78

This is asinine -- McConnell is not going to work with Biden any more than he worked with Obama... RockRaven Aug 2019 #80

Who says moscow mitch is definitely going to Cha Aug 2019 #88

Well, Senator Sanders' idea to get McConnell to do the right thing is to hold rallies. betsuni Aug 2019 #89

He wants their votes. I get it . Laffy Kat Aug 2019 #86

He has a point; unfortunately, MOST of them are dead... hlthe2b Aug 2019 #90

Warren found "really good" Republicans to co-sponsor her bills and has a good record of doing this. Princetonian Aug 2019 #96

What if Joe was/voted Republican until 1996? Princetonian Aug 2019 #91

Were they also intimidated from 2008-2015? Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #92

Without Joe, ObamaCare would be dead. He spoke to McCain until they were both crying... Princetonian Aug 2019 #93

Again, all these wonderful Republican legislators Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #149

Um, Collins and Murkowski also saved ObamaCare. Princetonian Aug 2019 #178

ok so we are down to 2 breathing legislators Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #247

Discussing how he would build legislative consensus at a private fundraiser is not "pandering". Princetonian Aug 2019 #348

Bingo SharonClark Aug 2019 #208

Oh Joe... Joe941 Aug 2019 #97

Bernie voted with Republicans against undocumented immigrants. Princetonian Aug 2019 #100

What is appalling is bidens praise and working with segregationists Joe941 Aug 2019 #102

Bernie must agree w/Joe. He voted w/Republicans against undocumented immigrants. Princetonian Aug 2019 #104

Is this like his praising his working relationship with segregationists? Joe941 Aug 2019 #99

Bernie has a working relationship with Republicans who voted against undocumented immigrants. Princetonian Aug 2019 #105

Trying to make this about Bernie huh? Joe941 Aug 2019 #106

Joe, Bernie & Elizabeth must agree on this. They have all worked with Republicans. Princetonian Aug 2019 #107

There's nothing else. Autumn Aug 2019 #148

Talking about Steyer's bid for POTUS? Princetonian Aug 2019 #272

Talking about how people who don't want to discuss their candidate always deflect to another. Autumn Aug 2019 #364

Speaking of support, what's Steyer polling at now? A hard 0.5%? Princetonian Aug 2019 #384

It's all good. A lot of candidates are just as low or lower. The race has just begun. Autumn Aug 2019 #407

Hi Joe, I believe you were the one that changed the subject Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #263

Why Bernie Sanders Loves the Most Conservative Man in the Senate (by Daily Beast) Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #122

Sad to say I have many republicans in my family but they are not horrible people. FloridaBlues Aug 2019 #101

Do they support tRump? Joe941 Aug 2019 #103

Yes some of them still support trump we just stopped talking politics FloridaBlues Aug 2019 #116

I hear ya... Joe941 Aug 2019 #117

I understand that they're family, but if they STILL support Trump, an open racist... NNadir Aug 2019 #228

Yep, I have same situation. honest.abe Aug 2019 #111

Are they legislators? Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #152

Thank you for the clarity when some try to muddy the water. SharonClark Aug 2019 #211

Yes, thank you!! It is a dangerously wrong perspective Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #267

When Joe said there are good Republicans out there - obviously he meant those around the country. Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #350

Er no, he was specifically referring to legislators. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #382

+1 Celerity Aug 2019 #467

still waiting for that list, lol Celerity Nov 2019 #483

This will help us in the general. honest.abe Aug 2019 #108

Ok Joe Afromania Aug 2019 #110

Agree 100% SharonClark Aug 2019 #240

+10,000 BlueWI Aug 2019 #455

I don't think it's an act - it's who he really is Locrian Aug 2019 #457

Remember Joe, kacekwl Aug 2019 #112

He is out of touch with the current state of the gop Joe941 Aug 2019 #115

Actual Republican Senators: "We have worked with Joe Biden and would do it again." Gothmog Nov 2019 #488

Wrong. gordianot Aug 2019 #118

Bobby Kennedy trusted Joe McCarthy enough to work for him and attend his funeral. Princetonian Aug 2019 #130

I know the story. gordianot Aug 2019 #139

LOL! You're still trying to deflect from Biden's statement. SharonClark Aug 2019 #237

No, I was trying to prove a point subtly. Princetonian Aug 2019 #352

there is nothing to gain by saying that. good grief Kurt V. Aug 2019 #124

Not scaring away Rwpublican and Independent voters you'll need in the GE? brooklynite Aug 2019 #125

That's a myth. the data isn't there to back this claim. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #126

The same myth that won us the House in 2018... brooklynite Aug 2019 #132

in 2018 there was a surge of democratic voters. There was also a surge in republican voters. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #143

Independents float both ways. Joe could capture some of them with comments like this. honest.abe Aug 2019 #439

only 8-12% of the electorate are true indies. the rest lean right or left and vote accordingly. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #443

I understand your point. For sure its a delicate balance between capturing some indies/moderates.. honest.abe Aug 2019 #444

This message was self-deleted by its author Kurt V. Aug 2019 #146

STOP POSTING THE HILL sharedvalues Aug 2019 #128

good let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Aug 2019 #129

He's living in the past Bettie Aug 2019 #131

Joe was not referring to Moscow Mitch. Princetonian Aug 2019 #136

McCain is long gone Bettie Aug 2019 #186

I hear you but what Republicans does Liz think will vote for MFA? Princetonian Aug 2019 #351

Agree!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #270

Maybe. They don't get elected, though, because the GOPer voters only want racist pigs in office. Hoyt Aug 2019 #140

Moderate Republicans and right-leaning independents in the Philly suburbs are key to winning PA. Princetonian Aug 2019 #150

Horseshit. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #156

I have volunteered w/the local Democratic party in Pittsburgh and Philly since 2007. Princetonian Aug 2019 #166

Thanks, Joe, for reaching out to good Republicans like McCain who saved the ACA. Let's never forget! Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #142

McCain is dead. He was the last "good" one. Autumn Aug 2019 #144

Collins and Murkowski are still alive. Also, because of them we have Obamacare and deserve credit Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #147

Yeah they have been a big help in keeping drunk rapists off the SC court and keeping Autumn Aug 2019 #151

They almost never vote against their party Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #153

And for sure!! Let's vote them all out. That would be the idyllic way.. one can hope Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #416

If only Joe had seen the Republican in action during Obama's term and since Trump's. Oh wait.... Autumn Aug 2019 #145

How does Tom Steyer plan to win votes much less govern? Princetonian Aug 2019 #154

Does Steyer matter? He has nothing to do with the discussion about Joe and his decent Autumn Aug 2019 #163

Of course he matters. You allegedly support him. What is his position on working with Republicans? Princetonian Aug 2019 #170

We will find that out at the debate. His main past position has been spending millions getting Autumn Aug 2019 #173

Why on earth would Joe tell us their names? So they can get primaried and/or pilloried? Princetonian Aug 2019 #176

That's a silly reply. We are Democrats, I think we all know what the Republicans are. Autumn Aug 2019 #207

What is sillier are anonymous bloggers that demand names!! Keep demanding. Princetonian Aug 2019 #269

I'm demanding nothing, I asked who these good Republicans are. Bloggers? Autumn Aug 2019 #368

You'll find out long after Steyer exits the race. Princetonian Aug 2019 #381

Steyer exiting the race will reveal who these "awful lot of good Republicans" are? . Autumn Aug 2019 #385

It remains to be seen. No one...especially mr. Biden or for that matter any of our candidates are Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #415

It really can't remain to be seen. It's being presented as fact that Autumn Aug 2019 #419

You are right it is an unknown. So, why close the door to the unknown? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #427

I'm not closing any door. Can you point out these really good Republicans? Autumn Aug 2019 #429

No where in my posts did I say I KNEW there were some really good repubs out there. You are twisting Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #452

I didn't say you KNEW there were some really good republicans out there. Biden said that. Autumn Aug 2019 #459

If they're MF45 supporters, I certainly hope so. theaocp Aug 2019 #209

Liz would not agree. She has a good track record of having them co-sponsor her legislation. Princetonian Aug 2019 #271

so the decent republicans have to be secret decent republicans? questionseverything Aug 2019 #375

Do you remember what happened to NJ Gov. Christie's standing in the GOP after Barack praised him? Princetonian Aug 2019 #402

christy who should of gone to jail ovr bridgegate? questionseverything Aug 2019 #417

Not my point. Anyone Joe names will be primaried so do not expect him to do so. Princetonian Aug 2019 #424

Joe saw them in action during Obama's term and he still took a chance on McCain. Was he wrong to Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #155

One vote from one dead Senator. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #157

The ACA is important to me and millions of others. I will forever be grateful for that "one vote." Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #161

Sure. Now about working with all these Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #162

Senators Collins and Murkowski. They will always work with Democrats to deny any future repeal Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #165

Your open trust of those two is noted. theaocp Aug 2019 #199

You can kill the messenger if you want, but things do change. You cannot stop progress Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #276

Well for sure we can't count on McCain. I'm of the mind that his thumbs down Autumn Aug 2019 #172

Your words: "If Joe tearfully pled with him, good for him". No - good for millions of us Americans. Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #355

Ignore what McCain had to say about it. Since his intention was to not save Obamacare Autumn Aug 2019 #366

Joe described what happened the night with McCain before the vote. Your insinuations are funny. Princetonian Aug 2019 #386

That's straight from McCain. One of them good republicans I guess? It's not my insinuation. Autumn Aug 2019 #397

So... if the legislation was passed what's the difference? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #410

Well McCain didn't "walk into hell for a heavenly cause." saving Obamacare was not his goal Autumn Aug 2019 #412

What's the difference? If you don't like what I say, why keep responding? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #453

As long as it's insisted McCain voted to save the ACA because he's a "really good republican" Autumn Aug 2019 #458

No Joe, there are not. SamKnause Aug 2019 #158

That might have been true 2-3 years ago... SidDithers Aug 2019 #159

It wasn't true then either. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #164

Oh dear. If that is the case dear Joe, why didn't you work your miracle and get Merrick Garland Ninga Aug 2019 #160

Merrick Garland will get that hearing in 2021, under President Biden. Better late than never... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #167

we lost the majority for generations so no not better late questionseverything Aug 2019 #379

If Garland is a replacement for any of the liberal justices then Biden will be a one term president. Ace Rothstein Aug 2019 #440

Moscow Mitch is not one of the good ones. Warren got good Republicans to co-sponsor her bills. Princetonian Aug 2019 #168

Your point about a miracle is exactly why we need to keep that door open to that 1 good repub Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #329

He's right. They are an awful lot. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2019 #169

Joe is CORRECT..... ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2019 #174

It's called smart politics. You would think that would be a little more understood and UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #200

This!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #289

He's right Bayard Aug 2019 #175

I assume there still are. gibraltar72 Aug 2019 #177

Loudest Republican voice against 'send her back' in Wisconsin is a congressman from Trump country. Princetonian Aug 2019 #180

Republican Speaks Out Against ICE Princetonian Aug 2019 #181

I understand this is a tactic to get votes, but he can't actually believe that. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #182

It is all perspective. Republican voters could the same about naming good Democrats. Princetonian Aug 2019 #185

Oh please. Leave the false equivalencies to the media. Seriously, name 5. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #188

Sorry, your viewpoint is in the minority in this country. I am making a sensible statement. Princetonian Aug 2019 #192

Name "an awful lot of really good Republicans" in Congress. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #195

D'oh. Joe won't name names so his future allies will get primaried and/or pilloried. Princetonian Aug 2019 #214

I'm still waiting for you or anyone else to name even 3 "really good Republicans" in Congress. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #227

Wait no more. Don't move the goalpost. Princetonian Aug 2019 #250

See post #249 regarding your first link. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #257

Even broken clocks are right twice a day. Warren and Bernie work with Republicans too. Princetonian Aug 2019 #265

Yes, a sensible statement..thank you Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #281

Which "really good Republicans" will vote for the public option he wants? N/t TCJ70 Aug 2019 #308

What Republicans does Warren think will vote for MFA? Princetonian Aug 2019 #349

Former Republican Federal Prosecutors Speak Out Against President Trump's Obstruction of Justice Princetonian Aug 2019 #183

Biden isn't talking about former federal prosecutors. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #198

Good of them to speak out. I applaud them for going on the record. Princetonian Aug 2019 #388

It's call Politics flamingdem Aug 2019 #184

Ex-GOP lawmakers call on Republicans to speak out against Trump Princetonian Aug 2019 #187

EX is the operative word SharonClark Aug 2019 #232

Just say no to the Status Quo nt Fiendish Thingy Aug 2019 #189

Nebraska lawmaker, a Republican, says his own party enables white supremacy Princetonian Aug 2019 #190

IF a Democrat wins in 2020, that Democrat will have to work with repbublicans Gothmog Aug 2019 #193

Another Republican Speaks Out Against Trump Princetonian Aug 2019 #194

GOP leaders speak out against torture after Trump comments Princetonian Aug 2019 #196

Democrats need to LEAD forward, not look fondly back to the past... polichick Aug 2019 #201

Obama/Biden 2008-2016 defined "forward" - Biden will beat Trump, move forward with a LOYAL VP. Princetonian Aug 2019 #204

2008-2016 are now in the past - it's a whole new world... polichick Aug 2019 #213

Senate Republicans speak out against Trump's shutdown: "A lot of unneeded stress on a lot of people" Princetonian Aug 2019 #202

Now, Newest Reality Aug 2019 #203

So let's see if this lowers his polling scores. MineralMan Aug 2019 #206

Of course not. That doesn't mean what he said is based in reality. It most definitely isn't. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #210

Winning the election is goal number one, isn't it? MineralMan Aug 2019 #219

Tell us how Pres. Garrett78 gets legislation passed w/o GOP allies in a divided Congress. Princetonian Aug 2019 #221

Name these GOP allies. Name these "really good Republicans" who will work with a Dem. president. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #231

No, it is not a tactic. It was a "gotcha" media moment at a fundraiser. Here are more than "ONE!"... Princetonian Aug 2019 #248

Occasionally opposing Trump out of self-preservation is all it takes to qualify as "really good?" Garrett78 Aug 2019 #249

Moving the goalpost deflection. Got it. Princetonian Aug 2019 #254

I've not moved any goalpost, nor have I deflected. Nice try, though. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #261

Yes, you have moved the goal post more than once Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #295

Explain. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #299

You went from asking to have good repubs named to saying you know it's a political tactic Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #317

Huh? I'm not sure you know what moving the goalposts means. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #320

Zing! Princetonian Aug 2019 #347

yes, it is a low bar, but I'm here to tell ya, who ever our candidate is, they better damn well be Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #392

I'll believe it when I see a mass movement of republicans speaking against Trump Politicub Aug 2019 #212

Ask Warren. She got good Republicans to co-sponsor bills with her. Princetonian Aug 2019 #216

I don't have a direct line to Warren, as wonderful as that would be. Politicub Aug 2019 #220

Yes, it would be wonderful. Warren would tell you that Joe is right because... Princetonian Aug 2019 #230

Decent people do NOT vote party line when party line involves racists. NNadir Aug 2019 #224

Loudest Republican voice against 'send her back' in Wisconsin is a congressman from Trump country. Princetonian Aug 2019 #233

OK, there's one. Where are the rest of them who Joe considers "decent?" n/t NNadir Aug 2019 #235

Joe is not going to publicize their names to save them from being primaried but here are more... Princetonian Aug 2019 #245

I don't know. It sounds a bit like Nixon's 1968 "secret plan" to end the war in Vietnam. NNadir Aug 2019 #326

Tell me how a Democratic President can pass legislation through a divided Congress w/o GOP allies? Princetonian Aug 2019 #399

We can't pass legislation with the Republicans in power in any house. NNadir Aug 2019 #436

Maybe he is indeed just speak to that one... the one he can persuade when it comes to saving Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #286

Every Time I Hear Someone Compliment Republicans For Bipartisanship and Vogon_Glory Aug 2019 #225

If true, why not persuade them right now to get McConnell to fix election infrastructure & guns? JudyM Aug 2019 #226

Because it isn't true and everybody knows it. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #243

Joe was being Joe at a private fundraiser. There was no tactic involved, just honesty. Princetonian Aug 2019 #391

Can't think of ONE! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #234

Loudest Republican voice against 'send her back' in Wisconsin is a confressman from Trump country. Princetonian Aug 2019 #241

We need the country to get to one party like CA... VarryOn Aug 2019 #238

To all those bashing Joe:Tell me how your candidate will pass legislation w/o GOP allies in Congress Princetonian Aug 2019 #239

How'd that work out from 2010-2016? Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #251

Not answering the question. Deflection noted. Princetonian Aug 2019 #258

There aren't GOP allies in Congress. That's the whole point. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #252

Not answering the question. Ignoring the names I sent you? Deflection noted. Princetonian Aug 2019 #259

LOL. I've not ignored your posts. I've responded directly to each of them. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #260

Tell me how your candidate will pass legislation w/o GOP allies in Congress. Princetonian Aug 2019 #282

There aren't any GOP allies in Congress. You keep missing that point. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #284

Joe knows more than you do about governing the United States. Princetonian Aug 2019 #287

I see that you've completely given up on the original argument. That's a wise move. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #303

Tell me how a Democratic President can pass legislation w/o GOP allies in a divided Congress. Princetonian Aug 2019 #319

Name these GOP allies. If you can't, then your statement is based on a false premise. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #322

You will see when Joe is POTUS and Harris is back in the Senate. Princetonian Aug 2019 #332

I'm just glad you gave up on naming a single "really good Republican." A wise move on your part. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #334

Murkowski. And the ones that co-sponsor Warren's bills. Princetonian Aug 2019 #338

Murkowski makes Manchin seem somewhat liberal. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #339

She helped save ObamaCare/ACA and made life better for hundreds of millions of people. Princetonian Aug 2019 #343

If you want to believe that a vote or two makes someone a "really good" person or that... Garrett78 Aug 2019 #361

Oh... I will be patiently waiting for that reply as well! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #283

Which ones will vote for the public option he wants? N/t TCJ70 Aug 2019 #312

The same ones Liz thinks will vote for MFA. Princetonian Aug 2019 #387

True. liberalmuse Aug 2019 #242

Oh no, Joe ArcticFox Aug 2019 #253

If they are so good, why are they still Republicans? vlyons Aug 2019 #256

You know that, I know that, and even Biden probably knows that. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #266

Tactics, schmatics. Joe was being Joe. He was at a private fundraiser not at the Iowa State Fair. Princetonian Aug 2019 #288

Obvious reason...gerrymandered districts? at140 Aug 2019 #313

+1000 Princetonian Aug 2019 #335

Ummm folks it is called trying to get the other side to vote for you...and what is wrong with that? Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #264

As long as people recognize that it's a tactic to win votes and nothing more, fine. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #273

lol... Joe already had all the votes at that fundraiser. Princetonian Aug 2019 #275

Um, I'm talking about votes in next year's primaries. People don't vote at fundraisers. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #277

Sigh. The OP is all about him talking at a private fundraiser. Princetonian Aug 2019 #285

Which makes the praise for Republicans all the more glaring melman Aug 2019 #290

Joe is talking about how to govern in order to pass legislation. That is a POTUS' primary focus. Princetonian Aug 2019 #297

You've given up on naming "really good Republicans" and resorted to an absurd argument. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #291

Tell me how a Democratic POTUS would pass legislation w/o GOP allies in a divided Congress. Princetonian Aug 2019 #302

And....that has nothing to do with desiring to stop the feuding and doing something for this country Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #292

You can't work with "the other side" TDale313 Aug 2019 #274

Well said. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #278

So how would a Democratic President pass legislation in a divided Congress? Princetonian Aug 2019 #280

We need the Senate back. TDale313 Aug 2019 #293

I agree. How does it look so far? You sound like you know what you are talking about. Princetonian Aug 2019 #300

I hope the country is not that badly divided at140 Aug 2019 #342

Name one Cartoonist Aug 2019 #294

Yeah, I've concluded that this was a gaffe. He meant to say Republicans are "an awful lot." Garrett78 Aug 2019 #296

Well, when Harris repeatedly implied Joe is a racist, it wasn't a gaffe. Princetonian Aug 2019 #305

She didn't, actually. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #311

Rhetoric 101. "I don't believe you're a racist, but..." means you're about to imply he's a racist. Princetonian Aug 2019 #318

12 republicans voted against the tax bill! Google is your friend at140 Aug 2019 #345

Bookmarked. Princetonian Aug 2019 #357

A little clarity Cartoonist Aug 2019 #374

Basically tax cuts at a time of exploding deficits is crazy at140 Aug 2019 #423

Only because it didn't go far enough Cartoonist Aug 2019 #437

Hey Joe randr Aug 2019 #298

He can't. Nobody can. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #306

The three Republicans who crossed the aisle to save ObamaCare from Trump. Princetonian Aug 2019 #377

You keep swinging and missing. A vote or two, generally out of self-preservation, does not... Garrett78 Aug 2019 #378

Purity tests mean sh*t to those whose ObamaCare was saved due to bipartisanship. Princetonian Aug 2019 #380

You keep making the same absurd argument while ignoring why it's absurd. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #383

Joe was being Joe. The absurdity is your determination to reduce what Joe said to a cheap trick. Princetonian Aug 2019 #393

Snopes rates that claim as False Celerity Oct 2019 #472

It is refreshing to hear the top Democratic candidate revmclaren Aug 2019 #304

+1000 Princetonian Aug 2019 #310

Which President Obama stated repeatedly when dems and the fight picking media came down on him hard Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #321

Exactly... revmclaren Aug 2019 #328

The purist thing here is stubborn empedocles Aug 2019 #307

It Looks Like Biden is Living in the Past dlk Aug 2019 #315

Liz has GOP co-sponsors for her bills and Bernie votes with them on anti-immigrant legislation. Princetonian Aug 2019 #323

Working with Republicans on Legislation is Not the Same dlk Aug 2019 #327

It is the same premise. You try to get the other side to vote with you. Princetonian Aug 2019 #333

I See it as a Version of ..."there's very fine people on both sides ..." dlk Aug 2019 #336

Joe said it at a private fundraiser when he was likely asked how he could pass legislation as POTUS. Princetonian Aug 2019 #340

I Like Joe, However, I Think He Has a Blind Spot When it Comes to Republicans dlk Aug 2019 #460

That could not be farther from the truth Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #403

Given the Degree of Republicans' Many Crimes, Joe's Comments Gives Them a Pass dlk Aug 2019 #461

Being pragmatic in getting legislation passed is different than promoting the other side dlk Jan 2020 #499

You win elections by expanding the electorate, not shrinking it. Gothmog Jan 2020 #498

MA currently has a Republican governor and has sent several to Congress. ucrdem Aug 2019 #316

And there's a good lot of awful Republicans. C_U_L8R Aug 2019 #324

+1000 Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #404

Oh. The good GOPers are just spineless, sniveling cowards. But Biden can work with them. Eyeball_Kid Aug 2019 #337

Joe spent all night asking McCain to vote NO to save ObamaCare/ACA. That was a BFD for hundreds... Princetonian Aug 2019 #354

Boom!! Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #359

Biden supports lsewpershad Aug 2019 #356

Discussing how to reach legislative consensus is sensible and expected at a private fundraiser... Princetonian Aug 2019 #360

+1000 love the jif of Obama by the way, althou he had to many times placate repubs he never Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #396

Could you give some examples of how you think Mr. Biden is supporting trump? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #401

Most of them are six feet under. Sneederbunk Aug 2019 #358

Exactly. When I lived in Oregon, I'd hear people say the Mark Hatfield Republicans are no more. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #362

Three Republicans helped save ObamaCare/ACA which was a BFD to hundreds of millions of Americans. Princetonian Aug 2019 #369

A vote or two, no matter how significant, does not make someone a "really good" person, nor... Garrett78 Aug 2019 #371

Americans who've ObamaCare thanks to bipartisanship don't care about purity tests for goodness. Princetonian Aug 2019 #373

No one is defending what they the gop are doing. No one. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #394

Some live. Warren values reaching across the aisle and finds Republicans co-sponsors for her bills. Princetonian Aug 2019 #365

That was then lettucebe Aug 2019 #363

Liz has a very good track record of reaching across the aisle & getting finding GOP co-sponsors. Princetonian Aug 2019 #367

No Thank You Fiendish Thingy Aug 2019 #370

Are you or anyone you know benefitting from ObamaCare/ACA? Princetonian Aug 2019 #372

Sorry to interrupt your dialog, but yes I do. What I find interesting is some people prefer to still_one Aug 2019 #395

Oh my gosh.. a voice of sanity.... thx for you thoughtful post Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #400

I am going to print this ACA history lesson out for my son. Bookmarked too. Princetonian Aug 2019 #409

the 60 vote thing is an senate rule and we could of changed it if we actually wanted good healthcare questionseverything Aug 2019 #418

If we have the majority still_one Aug 2019 #420

which we did in 2008 questionseverything Aug 2019 #422

September 24, 2009 to February 4, 2010. Four months and ten days. betsuni Aug 2019 #431

the Constitution doesnt say anything about filibusters questionseverything Aug 2019 #448

The filibuster is here to stay Gothmog Nov 2019 #487

Please name one candidate running for the Democratic nomination who has said they won't try to work still_one Aug 2019 #398

Bookmarked for many a future REALITY CHECK Princetonian Aug 2019 #405

Thanks still_one Aug 2019 #408

Take another bow. Princetonian Aug 2019 #413

You are overdoing it, but you are being very nice still_one Aug 2019 #414

Bookmarked, as well... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #426

Wow! A lot of energy expended in this thread! True Dough Aug 2019 #406

Obviously people have a lot of free time still_one Aug 2019 #411

I look forward to this same level of energy being expended in the GE as it relates to canvassing and Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #441

That is better than saying Trump voters are doc03 Aug 2019 #421

Joe hasn't lost his charm... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #425

Bookmarked. revmclaren Aug 2019 #435

Here is some interesting polling Gothmog Aug 2019 #442

In this day and age I don't mind that he said this if he really doesn't mean it. N/T theophilus Aug 2019 #449

Jill Biden-Joe will win this electiom Gothmog Aug 2019 #450

I do wish he'd be positive about his fellow Democrats-- dawg day Aug 2019 #451

I agree with Ellen Gothmog Oct 2019 #473

I agree with 'working' with Republicans. I don't agree with Ellen. Politicians empedocles Oct 2019 #479

Virtually all Republican white evangelical Protestants (99%) and Republicans Celerity Oct 2019 #474

Is this supposed to make Biden look bad? redqueen Oct 2019 #475

Biden will win because he doesn't try to eradicate the other side. He offers them a way out. PubliusEnigma Oct 2019 #476

They were intimidated when Obama was President, too BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #477

Weld said Trump's strongest opponent is Biden because "he's a lunch-pail Democrat Gothmog Oct 2019 #480

The good ones BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #481

Being in the Senate all those years, he knows more of them treestar Nov 2019 #485

Key Republicans say Biden can break Washington gridlock Gothmog Nov 2019 #486

this thread is not ageing well, lolol, regardless of the desperate attempts to rationalise this tosh Celerity Nov 2019 #489

there is some evidence that Mr. Biden can connect with these voters. Gothmog Dec 2019 #491

Poll: GOP voters drawn to Biden more than other 2020 Democrats Gothmog Dec 2019 #492

Joe is getting support from Republicans Gothmog Jan 2020 #497

Joe Bidens NH team announces '100 NH Independents for Biden Gothmog Jan 2020 #500