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Midnightwalk

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12. It's partly about time frame
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:21 PM
Jul 2019

Proposals, such as medicare for all, that push to eliminate private insurance make it plain what the goal is but also set up the attack that you “ can’t keep your plan/doctor”. The attacks will have to be addressed both before the plan is enacted but also after and even after the provisions take effect. Those attacks will be used against Democrats and if successful against the plan.

Proposals like buy in delay the issue. Some employers would like the option of pushing their employees into the buy in if it is cheaper for the employer. Large companies have self funded plans that are administered by private insurance companies so the buy in cost would have to be less than the internal cost plus admin cost to make sense. I think that’s possible.

As an employee I might opt for that or might want to pay more to keep my doctors in the current plan.

One thing buy in has to address at some point are the low wage workers who are currently screwed by employers who limit hours to avoid having to provide insurance.

It isn’t clear what the market might look like 5 or 10 years after the provisions kick in. If single payer saves as much money as believed we should see some of that benefit with buy in which makes further steps to push people to “MFA”. If the implementation is shaky at least we might stay in power long enough to fix the problems.

I like being able to make some big improvements over the next 5 years and then start working on the next steps that make sense. We should also be pushing for prescription price reform independent from the other parts of the plan.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
The larger debate isn't between DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 #1
Well, MyOwnPeace Jul 2019 #2
I like the frame that "private taxes go way down and public taxes go up a little" ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #9
just let their employees go on the government plan. HELL NO ! stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #3
The employees will have no choice Buzz cook Jul 2019 #6
Why not? Amimnoch Jul 2019 #17
People are neophobes Buzz cook Jul 2019 #4
It's a good question that you ask ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #10
We also have people good at stoking up fear Buzz cook Jul 2019 #14
They need to drop MFA...and start working on ACA...the only health care plan we are likely to have Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #5
I agree, only keep expanding the public option. Chemisse Jul 2019 #8
4 years is not a snap of the fingers Buzz cook Jul 2019 #16
I agree about the public option which competes with insurance...but I believe we will have insurance Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #20
good point. Kurt V. Jul 2019 #7
Saying "your employer will take away your coverage"... brooklynite Jul 2019 #11
It's partly about time frame Midnightwalk Jul 2019 #12
You want Swedish style welfare benefits you have to pay comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #13
not necessary ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #15
Just reporting on what I saw in Sweden and Denmark. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Go Vols Jul 2019 #19
The employer/health insurance connection is toxic for many reasons. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #21
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #22
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