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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Beto O'Rourke is not the progressive some imagine [View all]Gothmog
(144,920 posts)16. Have you met Carnival Cruz? Do you know how Texas GOP operate?
Beto was vetted very well by Carnival Cruz and the Texas GOP. Hint, Beto had a DWI arrest and was in a rock band in some very ugly pants. The Texas GOP and Carnival Cruz worked hard to vet Beto but have fun. Good luck with finding something that Carnival Cruz missed
On the other hand, no one took sanders seriously last time and so sanders was not vetted. I am looking forward to this process https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717
Finally, what happens when the oppo dump on Sanders comes? We have no idea, because it never happened in 2016. Clinton was so terrified of alienating his supporters and seeing them vote for Jill Stein in the general election (or not vote at all) that she tiptoed around him for pretty much the entirety of the primary campaign. That doesnt mean that hell be destroyed when stories about the more colorful aspects of his history start cropping up, but theres just no way to know.
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0
2. How will he withstand more scrutiny and more attacks?
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
I look forward to the vetting of all candidates
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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That's fine... Beto is entitled to his views. But, voters don't have to accept them.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2019
#180
Sounds like a Bernie-ite- Beto will definitely take a chunk of Bernie fans
redstateblues
Mar 2019
#3
I guess that sanders supporters are nervous and so it is time to attack Beto again
Gothmog
Mar 2019
#13
Joe's been vetted for decades and Beto was heavily vetted in his race vs. Cruz.
TwilightZone
Mar 2019
#44
Nope. Biden has been a national figure for decades, even from the time he was first elected....
George II
Mar 2019
#125
The hemming and hawing by Beto on these issues tells me everything I need to know.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2019
#182
Not as brutal as for those who have to answer questions about missing votes, missing tax returns,
lapucelle
Mar 2019
#139
I don't think so. A compelling argument can be made against Medicare for All.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#158
Wrong...people who have workplace insurance would pay more...there are no family plans on Medicare.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#171
I think our system needs to be fixed with a lowering of medicare age and a public option.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#174
He's a pretty moderate Democrat, but he's young and has, you know, "charisma."
MineralMan
Mar 2019
#5
So? He's a Democrat in Texas, an uphill climb trying to unseat an incumbent republican....
George II
Mar 2019
#85
The increased attacks on him and Biden over the last few days tell me the same thing.
George II
Mar 2019
#84
I wish we could choose three or four this early. I have it narrowed down to:
George II
Mar 2019
#161
Its not that I don't like some that I've tossed, I just don't think they'd be strong enough...
George II
Mar 2019
#163
I believe only Beto or Biden can win a general so I won't vote for any others in the primary. Ohio
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#169
Given the Long Duration of the Campaign, There Will Be Sufficient Time to Vet all of the Candidates
dlk
Mar 2019
#40
Two white guys? Not sure how well that would be received this time.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Mar 2019
#121
Probably because anybody watching Beto launch his campaign realize that many of the Bernie support
Pachamama
Mar 2019
#135
One of the biggest knocks I've seen on him is that he's "young and charismatic", like that's bad!
George II
Mar 2019
#137
Happened with Harris a bit ago, and Biden in the last few days, this is the second time with Beto
emulatorloo
Mar 2019
#94
Anyone aiming at Dems rather than the fat, lying, treasonous racist, is not a Dem.
Hassler
Mar 2019
#95
I think so too. Good bye youth vote. All that will be left are some angry populist
CrossingTheRubicon
Mar 2019
#115
There was a huge turnout for him in November. The lines were long and full of younger people
dalton99a
Mar 2019
#124
I don't want medicare for all. I think trying to pass and implement a bill that takes away
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#157
I love the fact that both fox news and the sanders supporters are terrified of Beto
Gothmog
Mar 2019
#164