Democratic Primaries

betsuni

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Reply to NYMinute (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 08:34 PM

Jun 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Biden's Iraq war vote not so hard and fast. To evaluate it, we need some background [View all] emmaverybo Jun 2019 OP

Fact: anyone who claims Dems like Kerry, Biden or Clinton 'voted for the Iraq War' is lying ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #1

Everyone in the world knew that Bush was chomping at the bit to invade Iraq... Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #2

No question!! Nothing complicated about it... a vote for the IWR was a vote for the "W"!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #53

That is what the IWR was about. It was wrong for Congrsss to rlinquish its rsponsibility, but you still_one Jun 2019 #3

Iraq Liberation Act was about providing assistance. Not sending American troops. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #5

If memory serves... didn't the "W" stand for WAR?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #54

anyone who claims that those folks did not know qazplm135 Jun 2019 #4

+1000. Crunchy Frog Jun 2019 #23

Pretty much qazplm135 Jun 2019 #58

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #55

I've been saying that for more than a decade. None of those three Senators EVER.... George II Jun 2019 #7

You can keep on saying it melman Jun 2019 #15

How did everybody know that? George II Jun 2019 #16

Nope melman Jun 2019 #17

Most likely because "everybody" did NOT know. George II Jun 2019 #18

He obviously talked with everybody nt NYMinute Jun 2019 #34

So you're saying he didn't vote to go to war Lordquinton Jun 2019 #25

Yes, and no. Got it? George II Jun 2019 #26

Not buying it Lordquinton Jun 2019 #27

The IWR is a non-issue NYMinute Jun 2019 #35

+1 betsuni Jun 2019 #43

Except it is an issue Lordquinton Jun 2019 #46

Why? NYMinute Jun 2019 #47

+1 betsuni Jun 2019 #48

Exacty! There were conditions for that vote. Bush crashed right threw the conditions... Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #8

Exactly. It's fair to say they were duped and/or the vote was ill-advised ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #24

One could definitely make a case that that they failed to vote AGAINST it ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #31

I think this just might show differently (at least for one of them) Celerity Jun 2019 #50

Hillary is the one CLOSEST to have voted outright 'for war' mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #57

The had a binary choice, Yes, or No. They chose Yes. CentralMass Jun 2019 #51

Perhaps Biden's Achilles heel... trusting the other side to do what's right. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #6

The weapons inspectors were on the ground. Who knew bushco would Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #9

Hans Blix and UN weapons inspectors are convieniently ignored oasis Jun 2019 #36

They were saying there were no WMDs at the same time BushCo said there were. marylandblue Jun 2019 #40

Bush/Cheney brushed Blix aside and went to war. There was oasis Jun 2019 #44

I believed then and believe now it was a serious error in judgement. marylandblue Jun 2019 #45

If anyone has any doubt that the Senators knew what they were voting on...here are some speeches: Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #10

These are not mutually exclusive ideas ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #13

The resolution is publicly available. BlueWI Jun 2019 #19

That's a good point. I wish Biden would say the open-ended and conditional resolution was a mistake marylandblue Jun 2019 #42

Agreed. BlueWI Jun 2019 #56

It was a vote for war. Metatask Jun 2019 #11

"Probably"? George II Jun 2019 #38

Probably? sheshe2 Jun 2019 #39

You would consider not voting for Biden if it was Biden/Trump? ehrnst Jun 2019 #49

Bookmarking. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #52

Thanks for the trivia package. Politicub Jun 2019 #14

So the sum total of lessons learned from that vote is BlueWI Jun 2019 #20

More than 6,000 American soldiers are dead and 50,000 plus were wounded because Politicub Jun 2019 #22

Half a million Iraqis also died in Bush's war. Damn right it haunts this country. Autumn Jun 2019 #30

W and Cheney would have found a way around the congress anyway. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #21

Yup and Bush/Cheney were making noise that if they decided war was needed mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #32

Exactly NYMinute Jun 2019 #37

Thanks elleng Jun 2019 #28

Let's focus on beating Chump. Princetonian Jun 2019 #29

People seem to forget public sentiment at the time peggysue2 Jun 2019 #33

Yes! You were called unpatriotic and asked why you hate America. betsuni Jun 2019 #41