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Bernie Sanders
In reply to the discussion: What the hell is an "avowed Democratic Socialist," anyway? [View all]Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)45. Yeah I don't disagree with anything you've said.
There are just different variations that can be called democratic socialism. It's not like one exact idea.
I like DSA too.
Here's an excerpt from the first thing on the DSA intro reading list: Toward Freedom: Democratic Socialist Theory and Practice
http://www.dsausa.org/toward_freedom
While the freedoms that exist under democratic capitalism are gains of popular struggle to be cherished, democratic socialists argue that the values of liberal democracy can only be fulfilled when the economy as well as the government is democratically controlled.
We cannot accept capitalisms conception of economic relations as free and private, because contracts are not made among economic equals and because they give rise to social structures which undemocratically confer power upon some over others. Such relationships are undemocratic in that the citizens involved have not freely deliberated upon the structure of those institutions and how social roles should be distributed within them (e.g., the relationship between capital and labor in the workplace or men and women in child rearing). We do not imagine that all institutional relations would wither away under socialism, but we do believe that the basic contours of society must be democratically constructed by the free deliberation of its members.
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While the exact details of a socialist economy are open to debate, it will most likely be a mixture of democratic planning of major investments (e.g., expenditure on infrastructure, investment in natural monopolies such as telecommunications, utilities, transport) and market exchange of consumer goods. Large, concentrated industries such as energy and steel would be publicly owned and managed by worker and consumer representatives. Many consumer-goods industries would be run as cooperatives. Workers would design the division of labor within their workplaces and thus overcome the authoritarianism of the traditional capitalist firm. Economic planning would set a guiding strategy by means of fiscal and monetary policy, with the daily coordination of supply and demand left to the market. But this market would be socialized by rendering it transparent. Enterprises would be obliged to divulge information about the design, production processes, price formation, wage conditions, and environmental consequences of the goods that they make. Publicly supported collectivesconsumers unionswould analyze this data and propose norms to govern various aspects of these practices. Information about actual production processes and proposed norms would then be disseminated via universal, publicly supported communication networks such as the Internet. This would encourage dialogue between producers and consumers over what is socially needed.
Again, there is no final blueprint for socialism. But only under socialism will fully democratic debate over the use of societys wealth be possible and the satisfaction of peoples basic needs assured. Productive activity will become not merely a way to acquire money, but a means to develop the whole creative potential of all working women and men.
We cannot accept capitalisms conception of economic relations as free and private, because contracts are not made among economic equals and because they give rise to social structures which undemocratically confer power upon some over others. Such relationships are undemocratic in that the citizens involved have not freely deliberated upon the structure of those institutions and how social roles should be distributed within them (e.g., the relationship between capital and labor in the workplace or men and women in child rearing). We do not imagine that all institutional relations would wither away under socialism, but we do believe that the basic contours of society must be democratically constructed by the free deliberation of its members.
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While the exact details of a socialist economy are open to debate, it will most likely be a mixture of democratic planning of major investments (e.g., expenditure on infrastructure, investment in natural monopolies such as telecommunications, utilities, transport) and market exchange of consumer goods. Large, concentrated industries such as energy and steel would be publicly owned and managed by worker and consumer representatives. Many consumer-goods industries would be run as cooperatives. Workers would design the division of labor within their workplaces and thus overcome the authoritarianism of the traditional capitalist firm. Economic planning would set a guiding strategy by means of fiscal and monetary policy, with the daily coordination of supply and demand left to the market. But this market would be socialized by rendering it transparent. Enterprises would be obliged to divulge information about the design, production processes, price formation, wage conditions, and environmental consequences of the goods that they make. Publicly supported collectivesconsumers unionswould analyze this data and propose norms to govern various aspects of these practices. Information about actual production processes and proposed norms would then be disseminated via universal, publicly supported communication networks such as the Internet. This would encourage dialogue between producers and consumers over what is socially needed.
Again, there is no final blueprint for socialism. But only under socialism will fully democratic debate over the use of societys wealth be possible and the satisfaction of peoples basic needs assured. Productive activity will become not merely a way to acquire money, but a means to develop the whole creative potential of all working women and men.
That's democratic socialism. Good stuff.
Here is their intro reading list
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/dsausa/pages/440/attachments/original/1372712435/Introductory_Readings_on_Democratic_Socialist_Theory_and_Practice.pdf
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Whenever I see that phrase, "Avowed Democratic Socialist" - I feel the rest of that dog whistle
djean111
May 2015
#1
If you are implying that Bernie is insincere, may I remind you that this is a group for
merrily
May 2015
#15
OK. In that case, post is consistent with supporting Bernie for President (and beyond).
merrily
May 2015
#24
Bernie Has My Full Support For Both The Primaries And The General Election
cantbeserious
May 2015
#26
The 'radical right' in this country would be the Freikorps that showed up at the
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#54
AGREED! Labels are not a problem for me. I do think it's helpful to have info handy when
merrily
May 2015
#9
Thanks. From what I've seen on this board, Republicans are not the only ones who are
merrily
May 2015
#13
"Political democracy, regulation of the economy and a welfare state" could easily have been used to
merrily
May 2015
#29
I don't think of it as the government owning businesses but rather as a system in which
JDPriestly
May 2015
#28
When you say "it" in your subject line, does "it" refer to socialism, or to Democratic Socialism?
merrily
May 2015
#30
democratic socialism. The European system. Especially in German, Austria and Scandinavia.
JDPriestly
May 2015
#35
Thank you for your input! I believe my OP links, and quotes from, that website?
merrily
May 2015
#12
P.S. Congratulations on having been a founding member. That must have been so exciting.
merrily
May 2015
#31
When I see the words, "democratic socialist," I think Germany and Austria and generally
JDPriestly
May 2015
#25
"Liberal" also has a somewhat different connotation in Europe than it does in the US.
merrily
May 2015
#36
The traditional definition of socialism is public ownership of all means of production
eridani
May 2015
#46
Bernie calls himself a Democratic Socialist, not a Social Democrat, and an Independent.
merrily
May 2015
#50
Currently I am a registered democrat for over 25 year but when people ask me I tell them I am a
walkthewalkorstfu
Aug 2015
#58
LOL! Thank you. The New Deal and the Great Society are great examples of Democratic Socialism.
merrily
Aug 2015
#59