Bernie Sanders

Babel_17

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98. Having a reputation for ambush and breaking agreements ...

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:51 AM

Jul 2015

Having a reputation for ambush and breaking agreements is not a reliable path for gaining access.

Politicians will always weigh the cost benefit of meeting with such leaders. There is now an incentive to deal with more responsible representatives for the issue of Black Lives Matter. Politicians look weak if all they do is cave in to the egomaniacs and disruptors of politics. But they risk looking like louts if they seem to be disrespecting the important issues these types are part of.

However this breaks we'll be hearing more from those creating a twitterstorm over it. But activism based on it and similar means are among the most prone to sinking into irrelevancy. The current leadership is at high risk for being seen as a cliche by the media. They should ask veterans of activist causes about how that works. Hearing about it might provide a needed wake up call.

The current leaders popularity is now fueled in part by the excess that went into what happened at the Netroots Nation events. Excess demands further excess and that will compel some interesting and likely counter productive confrontations. Pushing onto stage at a HRC event would mean getting past the Secret Service detail. So that won't come even close to happening.

What will likely happen is a meeting with the event organizers before HRC speaks. Oh, to be a fly on the wall for that negotiation. BLM leaders have gained some juice, now what?

Bonus link and video: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2015/0625/You-re-in-my-house-How-Obama-handles-hecklers-video

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They were not "humble enough" and had to be shut down.Words of BLM founder. [View all] madfloridian Jul 2015 OP

I won't hold my breath waiting to see if they do this to HRC n/t n2doc Jul 2015 #1

I won't either. madfloridian Jul 2015 #17

Self-Promoting Narcissists seems to be in charge. uhnope Jul 2015 #132

Don't expect them to do it to the Republicans, either Warpy Jul 2015 #37

Certainly their actions seem to support one candidate n2doc Jul 2015 #39

She's going to be given immunity since she answered a BLM question on Facebook today arcane1 Jul 2015 #41

Saw that. She was given 48 hours to answer n2doc Jul 2015 #47

Only the "base" that still can claim to be upper middle class. Warpy Jul 2015 #46

If a group overplays its hand, or is made to look like they are ... Babel_17 Jul 2015 #59

It's flat out impossible to do it to Clinton--or any Republican eridani Jul 2015 #86

I don't believe that she will ever be a target. Was never meant to be. jwirr Jul 2015 #170

Oh, and feel free... madfloridian Jul 2015 #2

They're treating those that are most likely to help SoapBox Jul 2015 #3

And people are actually being told to shut up. madfloridian Jul 2015 #4

essentially, only "certain people" are allowed an opinion Skittles Jul 2015 #58

.... madfloridian Jul 2015 #61

it is an attempt to shut down debate Skittles Jul 2015 #62

Yes. madfloridian Jul 2015 #63

That is sometimes (though far from always) a convenient cudgel to shut down white liberals TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #141

The dynamic you describe has been going on for nearly 50 years... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #177

I don't think there is is a way to win DU, unless you own it or get paid to post or merrily Jul 2015 #90

I don't know about Sanders, but O'Malley couldn't have been more humble BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #5

He wasn't humble enough. madfloridian Jul 2015 #7

I thought Bernie came out better, actually BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #8

This group has great media access. madfloridian Jul 2015 #10

Bernie knows the lessons learned in the '60s Babel_17 Jul 2015 #64

"he was directed to wrap up his discussion with Sanders" . Interesting Autumn Jul 2015 #6

Another Spot On post Autumn. 2banon Jul 2015 #74

Vargas ended it, not Bernie. merrily Jul 2015 #91

Did you read the comments after the Raw Story article? madfloridian Jul 2015 #110

I was criticized for using the term "BLM" PADemD Jul 2015 #155

I noted that Manatee *bloop* as well. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #178

"not humble enough"..they were trying to break them. Those are telling words. madfloridian Jul 2015 #9

I don't know about that, but I do admit I haven't seen any explanation of Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #11

A disruptive protester says the scheduled speakers weren't humble enough. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #16

I know, right? madfloridian Jul 2015 #20

I'm sure that billionaires think Bernie isn't sufficiently humble either, snagglepuss Jul 2015 #42

You know mad, that "They were not "humble enough" Autumn Jul 2015 #76

Yes, it goes to motive....they wanted to put them in their place. madfloridian Jul 2015 #83

Suggesting the blm activists might act more "humble' in whathehell Jul 2015 #103

If this is the attitude, then there is strong justification when folks don't talk... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #179

Just saw your post. This part: madfloridian Jul 2015 #186

There is a difference between now and then... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #187

I don't think they would resist if.... madfloridian Jul 2015 #188

There is a peculiar and corrosive dynamic at DU which demands one genuflect... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #189

If "humble enough" means twiddling their thumbs TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #190

Which "humble" republican would they prefer? nt jomin41 Jul 2015 #12

Good question. madfloridian Jul 2015 #21

Hillary. Scuba Jul 2015 #23

And that's the answer. nt TBF Jul 2015 #34

Darn - you beat me to it. They 840high Jul 2015 #71

Unfortunately if She wins they may get a position Tommymac Jul 2015 #94

I remember it well. madfloridian Jul 2015 #191

they are humble before their Billionaire masters n/t virtualobserver Jul 2015 #53

Clinton because optics and connections or some such absurd, reality mooning nonsense TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #146

I've been DUing piece meal over the last week so I'm a bit out of the loop. Half-Century Man Jul 2015 #13

There is group now in GDP telling people to hush, to shut up about it. madfloridian Jul 2015 #19

You know, I did my best to be as gentle with you as I could in that thread last night. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #49

Oh, yes, the victimhood again. madfloridian Jul 2015 #50

Oh, and thanks for being gentle. madfloridian Jul 2015 #51

omg. what condescending bs 2banon Jul 2015 #75

Not to worry, I will make sure to not post in this group again. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #78

This message board is loaded with sugary condescension Babel_17 Jul 2015 #97

hmm. I'll take that into advisement.. thanks. 2banon Jul 2015 #138

Sometimes people do more to abelenkpe Jul 2015 #137

I already had that experience with this poster.....over racial issues. msanthrope Jul 2015 #111

"that poster" you think is racist is posting in the Bernie group...NOT GDP madfloridian Jul 2015 #116

I have never called you a racist, madflo. I think your conduct msanthrope Jul 2015 #118

" y'all need to chill out or its going to be a damn short campaign for your candidate." madfloridian Jul 2015 #119

some study of the Streisand effect would benefit you guys quite a bit. msanthrope Jul 2015 #121

It is not about Bernie. It is about mutual respect. madfloridian Jul 2015 #123

no one owes Bernie any respect. he's a presidential candidate let him earn it. msanthrope Jul 2015 #127

He has earned respect marym625 Jul 2015 #145

"utter over reaction" "utter cluelessness" madfloridian Jul 2015 #120

seriously you all have been posting OPs when you should have been asking questions and listening msanthrope Jul 2015 #124

There you go again. madfloridian Jul 2015 #125

quoting Ronald Reagan to me doesn't exactly make your point now does it? nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #129

Well, when you come into the Bernie forum for some digs at me.... madfloridian Jul 2015 #134

so your go to source is Ronald Reagan? nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #136

That's a quote from Ronald Reagan like Ladies and gentlemen is a quote from him. Autumn Jul 2015 #144

Implied it all over the forum...might as well have said it out loud. madfloridian Jul 2015 #122

I'm white and nobody makes me feel guilty about it. msanthrope Jul 2015 #126

You are judging my conduct and my character now? Really? madfloridian Jul 2015 #128

not at all. I think your conduct and your character speaks clearly to every single msanthrope Jul 2015 #131

Yes, YOUR conduct speaks volumes BuelahWitch Jul 2015 #142

This is the Bernie Sanders group. Please post accordingly Autumn Jul 2015 #139

Kick her ass out! BuelahWitch Jul 2015 #143

It's okay. Let the words stand. madfloridian Jul 2015 #147

Sorry I didn't catch it sooner. But she's blocked Autumn Jul 2015 #150

Thanks, Autumn madfloridian Jul 2015 #151

Gonna be nice when all this is over Autumn Jul 2015 #152

.... madfloridian Jul 2015 #153

I almost feel bad, I blocked a Bernie Sanders supporter!!!! Oh Noes!!!! Autumn Jul 2015 #156

No worries marym625 Jul 2015 #158

...... madfloridian Jul 2015 #162

With a Hilary avatar yet! n/t BuelahWitch Jul 2015 #165

She's gone Autumn Jul 2015 #149

. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #164

I know. If only people were able to read the SOP for our group or had someone read it for them, Autumn Jul 2015 #173

All I did is go in the BSG and insult all of them. AND THEY BANNED ME FOR IT!!1! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #175

God we are terrible. Skinner should have made us our own site and made us all go there. Autumn Jul 2015 #182

BernieHasMoMoJo beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #183

... Autumn Jul 2015 #184

lol did you see this post? madfloridian Jul 2015 #174

The Bundy Ranch? Well I call that place the Pity Party Palace. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #176

Thank you BuelahWitch Jul 2015 #166

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Lordquinton Jul 2015 #163

*guerrilla Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #22

Thanks, posted in a parking lot, lack of resources there, Half-Century Man Jul 2015 #44

Did RawStory watch the video? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #14

I posted the videos. madfloridian Jul 2015 #15

I guess they don't want help from whites. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #18

As I said... SoapBox Jul 2015 #24

There are some interesting comments after the CNN article. madfloridian Jul 2015 #25

If BLM wants my respect back, let them go after GOP candidates. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2015 #26

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #29

I think calling them thugs is unfair, even if their tactics are wrong. Nt HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #30

Agreed. I'd add "inaccurate" and "counter-productive" in addition to "unfair" n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #31

Yes. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #33

Agreed once again! arcane1 Jul 2015 #35

I'm not going to hold my breath for them. historylovr Jul 2015 #117

Castigating the wrong people is as bad as letting the culpable of the hook, Hillary still orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #27

That makes it sound like it wasn't about their concerns, but about doing a PR stunt arcane1 Jul 2015 #28

They deliberately put them on the spot and embarrassed them. madfloridian Jul 2015 #36

After watching the videos and evaluating, agreed. Tommymac Jul 2015 #95

I think there is one more reason for this event. To keep the issue in the public eye. I have no jwirr Jul 2015 #172

That was my thought too, and I've been struggling with a diplomatic way to say it. historylovr Jul 2015 #40

Rubbish. They were rude and only wanted to listen to themselves. Warpy Jul 2015 #32

I agree about the 60s. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #38

Remember the 1968 protests at the Democratic National Convention? Warpy Jul 2015 #45

Yep, I remember. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #48

Catch 22: If we protest the establishment we lose, and if we don't protest, we also lose. merrily Jul 2015 #88

What lost was the violence Warpy Jul 2015 #112

I don't think either kind of protest works. merrily Jul 2015 #159

Oh, I agree with what you're saying, I'm just telling it like it was Warpy Jul 2015 #160

Not only that it was crushed, but who crushed it. merrily Jul 2015 #161

We got Nixon twice because Turd Blossom Used Computer technology bobalew Jul 2015 #60

Also, Roger Ailes was a media advisor for Nixons campaign. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #67

Bookmarked. I love info that cuts back against the notion that we lose unless we merrily Jul 2015 #89

That was Walter Cronkite wilsonbooks Jul 2015 #73

It takes more than one to hold a conversation. madfloridian Jul 2015 #43

Listening on both sides. onecaliberal Jul 2015 #52

Agree aspirant Jul 2015 #54

That morning, there was a BLM panel discussion. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #55

Not the path to victory these leaders are hoping for Babel_17 Jul 2015 #56

idiots Skittles Jul 2015 #57

Thank You For That... WillyT Jul 2015 #65

Worth reading Babel_17 Jul 2015 #66

Thanks, love to read Oliver Willis's stuff. madfloridian Jul 2015 #68

+1 840high Jul 2015 #80

That's basically what I've been thinking. LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #92

Yup. IMO they have marginalized their own voices in exchange for a brief moment in the sun. Tommymac Jul 2015 #96

Having a reputation for ambush and breaking agreements ... Babel_17 Jul 2015 #98

I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. This was a set-up by the Third Way, Zorra Jul 2015 #69

You make a good comment. madfloridian Jul 2015 #70

I must admit I hadn't followed what would be happening at NN, but wow historylovr Jul 2015 #72

Good point. 840high Jul 2015 #81

I have to admit that I needed that to be pointed out Babel_17 Jul 2015 #100

That is a good point you are raising TM99 Jul 2015 #102

What exactly does "humble enough" look like? napi21 Jul 2015 #77

There was nothing the candidates could have said. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #79

Your post is correct. Nothing they said mattered. The agenda mattered. madfloridian Jul 2015 #84

It was about a demonstration of power Babel_17 Jul 2015 #99

You are right - they did not come to listen. 840high Jul 2015 #82

Another video of protests from CNN. madfloridian Jul 2015 #85

I thought Vargas had to end Bernie's appearance because the demonstrations and merrily Jul 2015 #87

I wonder exactly who told him to end it. madfloridian Jul 2015 #107

If our msm were not so vile, someone might be grilling Vargas on that and more. merrily Jul 2015 #108

Will be watching for humility on the repub side oldandhappy Jul 2015 #93

if they do it to all but the most powerful candidates and republicans HFRN Jul 2015 #101

The more I think about that phrase, the more it pisses me off. historylovr Jul 2015 #104

Kick... FloriTexan Jul 2015 #105

Please note Zorra's post..this was intended to be a week-end for Latino community. madfloridian Jul 2015 #106

Ditto. SoapBox Jul 2015 #113

BTW this is NOT about protecting Bernie Sanders. He's a big boy who can defend himself. madfloridian Jul 2015 #109

Also ditto. SoapBox Jul 2015 #114

Thanks.. madfloridian Jul 2015 #115

Wow, good thing I stayed out of GDP. madfloridian Jul 2015 #130

Nothing will ever be "humble enough". pa28 Jul 2015 #133

This is just my opinion, and I feel safe saying it here. Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #135

Well said, Blue. madfloridian Jul 2015 #140

You said it far better than I... peacebird Jul 2015 #181

It's all okay now..CNN says Bernie acting humble now. madfloridian Jul 2015 #148

Way to make enemies, Stupid. Warpy Jul 2015 #154

IMO #BLM has invalidated itself with their tactic. L0oniX Jul 2015 #157

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #167

Got an alert on this and that's the only reason I am here. nc4bo Jul 2015 #168

Jury results MerryBlooms Jul 2015 #169

Glad I didn't see it madfloridian Jul 2015 #171

"Not humble enough"? Ok, when are they going to shout down HRC and the Repub candidates ? peacebird Jul 2015 #180

Yes, there is much need for that group. The purpose is a good one. madfloridian Jul 2015 #185