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PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
60. Memory lane
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:56 AM
Mar 2016

Watching the former HHH(Humphrey) despisers watching TV in the dorm room, piecing together the election results for the hopeful election- even if by the electoral college alone. For months branding him as the hack who danced gleefully while the media did the Chicago convention riots and the putting down of the insurrection. All pre-internet so you never saw the changes or viewpoints outside the media opinions. Oh yeah they booted a very mild and very respected CBS reporter off the Convention floor. What was the meme. Oh yes, the shot RFK would have lost to and backed HHH anyway. The political machine and the public distaste for Tricky Dick(whioch we would hear again from a derisive McGovern) would unite the country. Months of deadly media silence while HHH was out looking for dollars and healing, finally turning on LBJ over the war.

When people tell you they have seen shit before you must believe America is a permanent diarrhea patient. It is not the young people who do not or are not allowed to vote in record numbers unless someone very popular is running. Even if that were the case the older voters control the ballot box if they too are, for once in their lives maybe, excited in a positive way. I would prefer along with George Washington that parties and political pros disappear but that is naive if we let them have so much unmerited power over choice itself.

Beyond this group I listen to the people who might have been gained by Sanders and those(with a great deal of new money) who mobilize against Hillary. No one here on DU is THE problem although many are bellwethers of what is happening and to come. Hillary should win, but after the unchallenged Theft 2000 and its sequels we seem to have put off the passive logic being that massive plurality and turnout is the key, then locking the key inside its box somewhere. To power that we had to risk new talent, positive populism and positive progressivism not play off the fear and anger the other side has jealously monopolized. All Dems had to do was act on what voters simply needed or felt strongly about aside from delusional and self destructive frustration. This whole universe, as might be noted looking about, is one immense fight against nothingness and dissolution and it doesn't happen by pretending to stand very still.



I'll probably vote for her ezgoingrl Mar 2016 #1
I will be "out of the party" right after I vote for Alan Grayson on Aug. 30. n/t djean111 Mar 2016 #3
If Drumph is the Republican nominee nxylas Mar 2016 #4
Depends on what state you are in. If Hillary cannot win California without me, she deserves to JDPriestly Mar 2016 #114
Quit being so easy going, ezgoingrl. It's time to make a stand in 2016. This party must CHANGE johnlucas Mar 2016 #14
I'm not holding my nose one more time MissDeeds Mar 2016 #15
Exactly!!! n/t marew Mar 2016 #65
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ swilton Mar 2016 #38
Hillary and Bernie For President and Vice-president 2016 Freedom Bill Mar 2016 #56
Sorry. No way Bernie wants Hillary for his VP. agracie Mar 2016 #75
please lets just ask. Would it be possible? Freedom Bill Mar 2016 #94
You lost me at "2 real progressive saviors". I know of one, but the second eludes me. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #105
Hillary and Bernie For President and Vice-president 2016 Freedom Bill Mar 2016 #108
Hillary is in no way progressive. Absolutely not. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #115
Looking at the other side. It would be pretty easy for me to support her if she is the nominee liberalnarb Mar 2016 #17
I will vote for all other Democrats but most definitely not for Hillary. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #113
The crowds that showed up at Bernie's rallies, IMO, did not show up for the Democratic Party, djean111 Mar 2016 #2
Good points! It's really what the I's decide to do. The graphs are always very revealing. RKP5637 Mar 2016 #10
Im independant lmbradford Mar 2016 #70
Many I am hearing from are going Green if Hillary is the nominee--and yes they know the whole story. merrily Mar 2016 #79
Good point, it would be a vote for SCOTUS. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2016 #90
It's not my point. I thought that was what you were trying to say. merrily Mar 2016 #91
Thanks merrily! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2016 #92
Thus a Hillary and Sanders for President and Vice-president 2016 Freedom Bill Mar 2016 #95
The two of them working together would be excellent! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2016 #96
So much baggage swilton Mar 2016 #39
The first time I mentioned Bill Clinton to my grandson - he snickered, djean111 Mar 2016 #40
Yeah i can't wait for all that return to the 90's... marions ghost Mar 2016 #52
Ditto! n/t marew Mar 2016 #63
I don't see how LiberalElite Mar 2016 #5
You need to cross post this Mbrow Mar 2016 #6
Time will tell, Sherman A1 Mar 2016 #7
People in very red or very blue states can afford protest votes eridani Mar 2016 #44
I don't disagree with your conclusion at all Sherman A1 Mar 2016 #49
Think so? Shadowflash Mar 2016 #8
Excellent post RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #9
just a friendly piece of advice.... restorefreedom Mar 2016 #11
Yes, this! Bernin4U Mar 2016 #23
Agree - Thank You Impedimentus Mar 2016 #31
yw :) nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #34
This is not relaxing, it's infuriating! ALittleBirdie Mar 2016 #12
This too! Bernin4U Mar 2016 #24
^^^ditto marions ghost Mar 2016 #53
+1 gabrzillion GoneFishin Mar 2016 #93
The hell we will. Bernie or Bust. That's it. johnlucas Mar 2016 #13
Go green or go 'garch! PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #16
Some people in the Establishment are going to be VERY surprised. Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #18
Does the author have amnesia? Mufaddal Mar 2016 #19
There was a spoiler in that race WhiteTara Mar 2016 #28
Or because people are tired of Democrats going right and taking the left for granted. merrily Mar 2016 #81
I don't think it will be a short term hit. WhiteTara Mar 2016 #97
That is certainly one view and, IMO, it's the majority view. merrily Mar 2016 #99
I agree that disparaging remarks are WhiteTara Mar 2016 #101
I believe with all my heart that both groups of Democrats and former merrily Mar 2016 #103
Thanks for the reply. I guess I just so old that I remember WhiteTara Mar 2016 #104
Plenty of people who have left the Party remember the same things and merrily Mar 2016 #106
I understand and my state has already voted WhiteTara Mar 2016 #107
Others would say they don't want anyone remotely like them in the White House. merrily Mar 2016 #109
Yes, there was -- TM99 Mar 2016 #86
IMO, it's precisely because we saw this in 2008 that this time will be different. merrily Mar 2016 #80
What I find shocking is that she has done absolutely nothing at all to try to win our votes. Nothing jillan Mar 2016 #20
That's how I feel as well. blackspade Mar 2016 #22
Yes, that's the trouble with supporting Clinton--we keep the Trump disaster out of office, but eridani Mar 2016 #45
Revolution is a longterm thing? marions ghost Mar 2016 #54
We will lose all the former Democrats who re-registered to vote for Bernie in primary and we will merrily Mar 2016 #83
At this moment in time, I believe you are wrong artislife Mar 2016 #21
Wouldn't it be interesting for Bernie -not- to "play the gentleman" Bernin4U Mar 2016 #25
I really wonder if it's going to be about what Bernie says or doesn't say. merrily Mar 2016 #84
No I will not. SamKnause Mar 2016 #26
This is not the same as 2008 bernbabe Mar 2016 #27
Right marions ghost Mar 2016 #55
Garbage! Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #29
My thoughts exactly! nt marew Mar 2016 #67
super clear choice--the candidate of war, deportation, Social-Security destruction, attacks on MisterP Mar 2016 #30
In that case I will write in Bernie Sanders. peacebird Mar 2016 #32
Yup, me too (nt) Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #41
Riiiight... in_cog_ni_to Mar 2016 #33
I have voted in every presidential election since 1972 Pastiche423 Mar 2016 #35
yep no more lesser of two evils especially when you have a Not Evil marions ghost Mar 2016 #58
but this election season is not like others dana_b Mar 2016 #37
oh yes of course we will we'll fall in line for the party just like we always do azurnoir Mar 2016 #42
Next time means running for local office yourself, or supporting progressive candidates who do. eridani Mar 2016 #46
ya being on the city council is a start but we really never seem to get much further azurnoir Mar 2016 #47
Sanders changed a single city before becoming Vermont's senator eridani Mar 2016 #48
and he's been stopped cold at the Presidency or so we're told azurnoir Mar 2016 #50
That is up to us. A revolution needs a plan A, a plan B and a plan C eridani Mar 2016 #51
It's not about giving up at all it's more about being consigned to second place for perpetuity azurnoir Mar 2016 #57
If we keep on fighting NO MATTER WHAT, we won't be eridani Mar 2016 #59
Gee, eridani. Duval Mar 2016 #43
+1! n/t marew Mar 2016 #66
Memory lane PATRICK Mar 2016 #60
uh huh. the ratfucked swiftboated "Berniebros" will support Hillary. Relax. delrem Mar 2016 #61
You are so like your Hillary. marew Mar 2016 #68
I think delrem forgot the sarcasm thingie. Ino Mar 2016 #111
I don't believe it pengu Mar 2016 #62
I am seeing the exact same thing! marew Mar 2016 #69
How could an anti-establishment candidate support an establishment candidate? Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #73
Do not be so sure! marew Mar 2016 #64
In Alaska I have the luxury of voting my conscience, Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #71
I have a bridge for sale ...cheap! Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #72
Uhm... Not. A. Freakin'. Chance. agracie Mar 2016 #74
A cold day in Hell. Sanders or Bust. desmiller Mar 2016 #76
You're delusional Politicalboi Mar 2016 #77
I don't think that is the OP's opinion. I think he or she is quoting from the article. merrily Mar 2016 #85
I am not only a dem for the past 41 years, but an election official in my county. I WILL vote Bernie peacebird Mar 2016 #78
In all likelihood, a write in will not register anywhere. merrily Mar 2016 #88
I know some who will not. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #82
NC and IN won't be states that swing the GE. Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #87
Maybe, maybe not Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #89
I'm a no, but then I'm a "declined to state" kind of person. leftcoastmountains Mar 2016 #98
False equivalence. basselope Mar 2016 #100
my guess is that they will stay home 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #102
Some Sanders aupporters are committed Democrats, but many others are alienated voters-- eridani Mar 2016 #112
I will vote for Hillary in the GE... still voting for Bernie in the WI primary. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #110
No. Just no. I will not vote for Hillary. agracie Mar 2016 #116
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