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shaayecanaan

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Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:56 PM
Jun 2015

This was the first story that hit my RSS feed this morning:-

http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/hillary-clinton-polling-wobbles-ahead-of-presidential-campaign-launch-20150602-ghfdmx.html

Nothing we didn't know already. Hillary is intensely hated by those on the other side (not a huge problem if they wouldn't vote for her anyway) and also widely disliked by not a few people on her own side (a potentially much bigger problem).

Fwiw, I've never seen a front runner more despised by the base of their own party. I realise that some centrist politicians have been successful, Barack Obama, tony Blair and bill Clinton come to mind- but apart from Blair in his later years I don't think that any of them have managed to isolate their left wing base as comprehensively as Hillary has. And the fact is that Blair took the reins in the wake of thirteen years of conservative rule in the same way that Obama and Clinton succeeded bush Jnr and Snr respectively. Hillary won't be able to rely on that.

I think she will struggle against Rubio in particular. He is younger, a bit more dynamic, and could make serious inroads against a candidate as bland and anodyne as Clinton.

I'm not a centrist, and I'll leave the selection of centrist candidates to your good selves, but I seriously think that you need a plan b. Of course I imagine someone will throw their hat into the ring at some stage.

I agree with you. nruthie Jun 2015 #1
Yes! TM99 Jun 2015 #2
+1 BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #57
Sweet Jesus! What is it? Xipe Totec Jun 2015 #3
That's great. Made me laugh. GoneFishin Jun 2015 #43
Lol! sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #59
Oh so true! SoapBox Jun 2015 #62
Russ Feingold had t-shirts dragonlady Jun 2015 #99
So happy you posted this! MuseRider Jun 2015 #102
K and effing R Scuba Jun 2015 #4
It's most unfortunate that your assessment of the political situation ladjf Jun 2015 #5
Don't despair kenfrequed Jun 2015 #6
Excellent post MissDeeds Jun 2015 #7
Some people have lost their ability to recognize the genuine fasttense Jun 2015 #8
That is the tragedy of it all. zeemike Jun 2015 #26
i have had the same convo with folks questionseverything Jun 2015 #75
I thin that is the key to the difference between Bernie and Obama, his very long record that is sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #103
I just yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #9
Hehe, I donated too... Helen Borg Jun 2015 #78
You left out that what he believes in are common sense solutions Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #11
I don't know about you... Bonobo Jun 2015 #12
Bernie goes on FOX News !!!!!! Chipper Chat Jun 2015 #27
So does Kucinich,....but that makes him a traitor. (At least for some around here.) Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #35
so you say azureblue Jun 2015 #71
This group us a safe haven for supporters of Bernie Sanders smokey nj Jun 2015 #13
Sorry. Didn't see that. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #15
Actually I just realized what is MOST fucked up and ironic about your post!!! Bonobo Jun 2015 #17
I will respect the sensibilities of this group ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #53
Likewise shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #82
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #14
What it says to me is that people lie on surveys n2doc Jun 2015 #16
It is not so much that people lie on surveys, -none Jun 2015 #50
What I am talking about are surveys like this n2doc Jun 2015 #51
Actually, they do vote that way when given the option. jeff47 Jun 2015 #87
Well said fbc Jun 2015 #18
I think people just want to line up behind a winner. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #19
Or they fill in the blanks tblue Jun 2015 #28
Oh Please spare me liberal N proud Jun 2015 #20
What are you on about? nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #22
Rec'd ibewlu606 Jun 2015 #21
America is sick of 40 years of failed, corrupt politics SmittynMo Jun 2015 #23
Just replied to yet another "I am a HUGE Bernie supporter, BUT" post, asking us djean111 Jun 2015 #24
Bernie would need HRC votes, if Bernie should get the nomination, passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #79
Criticizing Hillary's policies is not the same thing as "bashing" Hillary. djean111 Jun 2015 #83
Unfortunately, that is the way the HRC camp reads it passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #85
Here's the thing - IMO, of course - Hillary cannot articulate much in the way of policies because djean111 Jun 2015 #86
again passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #88
"But I've seen some of this "needing unconditional approval" from both sides." djean111 Jun 2015 #89
People say here that Bernie won't have a chance, but Javaman Jun 2015 #25
+1 L0oniX Jun 2015 #38
I'm afraid that the label "socialist" would be the kiss of death in the Presidential election Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #93
as I stated... Javaman Jun 2015 #100
One of the main reasons that George W Bush won in 2000 Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #104
LOL Javaman Jun 2015 #105
I notice that you did not actually respond to what I wrote n/t Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #107
about what? you made a statement and didn't ask a question. Look at what you wrote. Javaman Jun 2015 #108
The so-called "crappiness" of Gore's campaign is wholly irrelevant Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #109
It's apparent you wish me to rehash my above comments. Which is apparent you didn't read. Javaman Jun 2015 #110
No, I did not want you to rehash what you said before Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #111
Nice caps by the way... Javaman Jun 2015 #112
The "crappiness" of Gore's campaign Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #113
You are trolling a safe haven for supporters of Bernie Sanders. smokey nj Jun 2015 #114
oddly he only want to grind his axe with me. Javaman Jun 2015 #116
They don't want to win converts, they want to suppress enthusiasm. smokey nj Jun 2015 #117
well, they are having the opposite effect of that. LOL nt Javaman Jun 2015 #118
You got that right! smokey nj Jun 2015 #119
actually the crappiness of Gores campaign has everything to do with how well nader did... Javaman Jun 2015 #115
Finally you address my point, more or less, because you just blow it off. Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #121
free trade chev52 Jun 2015 #29
That says it all. Paka Jun 2015 #30
I couldn't agree more. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #31
if you benefit from the status quo, you won't want a candidate who campaigns against the status quo. antigop Jun 2015 #32
And it's such an easy sell. If we would just throw our collective weight behind him, it Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #33
Lost, possibly. Scared, possibly. Sick? Depends on your definition. malthaussen Jun 2015 #34
No, that's the excuse they will use. jeff47 Jun 2015 #44
It's also how people have surrendered to "The Establishment".... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #36
I remember being part of the anti establishment group. L0oniX Jun 2015 #37
Yup. Self absorbed consumers that were fake even to themselves. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #40
Yes :) Maedhros Jun 2015 #61
One of the best ops I've ever read on DU. L0oniX Jun 2015 #39
Excellent analysis. KnR nuff said chknltl Jun 2015 #41
I know this is the Sanders Group, but..... George II Jun 2015 #42
Really? You resent being told by revolutionary anti-corporatists that political allegiance to Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #48
That's not what I said. George II Jun 2015 #54
If you resent what's posted in this group, you should stay out of it. smokey nj Jun 2015 #65
Well, for one the thread was on the DU home page with no indication of where it was located.... George II Jun 2015 #67
The OP was criticizing the system, not individuals. If you feel it applies to you, perhaps you need smokey nj Jun 2015 #68
You are being too kind. "safe haven" has become a place to go to blast others who do not asjr Jun 2015 #73
I am not sure Sanders is being abandoned he is swaying me and I can be swayed. gordianot Jun 2015 #45
SOOO agree! Can't take yes for an answer. It boggles the mind. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #46
Bang on. WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #47
It really exemplifies just how far we have slid rightward. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #49
Perspective HassleCat Jun 2015 #52
Perhaps some are simply wolves in sheeps clothing when it comes to progressive ideals. NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #55
I am so sorry that I want to win in 2016. I'm a pitiful failure of a lifelong Dem. McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #56
Why not vote for Sanders in the Primaries? Bonobo Jun 2015 #94
K&R raindaddy Jun 2015 #58
Great Point And So Sad colsohlibgal Jun 2015 #60
...^ that 840high Jun 2015 #64
Exactly! SoapBox Jun 2015 #63
Your way or the highway, huh? aquart Jun 2015 #66
Let's put this in reality azureblue Jun 2015 #69
i like them all (dem candidates that is ) and prefer bernie but keeping the white house is more Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #70
"abandonment of Bernie Sanders" People do not abandon candidates by failing to vote geek tragedy Jun 2015 #72
Too funny from the group with a bunch of haughty centrist ideologs that started just such shit TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #96
Perhaps you should reflect on the difference geek tragedy Jun 2015 #98
The OP made the point that people who have been saying they want a candidate who represents them sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Jun 2015 #74
Why should we vote for the lesser of two good candidates in the primary, Maedhros Jun 2015 #76
Exactly fucking right!. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #84
Kick and R. Good post. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #77
A big K&R oxymoron Jun 2015 #80
Completely agree chapdrum Jun 2015 #81
Who is abandoning Sanders? joshcryer Jun 2015 #90
That is what more cancerous Turd Way politics is, setting up the present and future for failure. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #95
Bonobo- when you're right, you're right. cliffordu Jun 2015 #91
YOU! NYC_SKP Jun 2015 #101
I couldn't agree more! green917 Jun 2015 #92
K&R! marym625 Jun 2015 #97
Proud to supply Rec #200 dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #120
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