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iverglas

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132. how really quite awful
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 11:46 AM
Apr 2012

Aren't you one of us in the habit of saying that criticizing pornography and its users is not the same as advocating that it be outlawed?

Really, how dare you reply to ANYTHING in what you quote me as saying by stating that I am not going to take away your choice?


but i guess it would be best to ask iverglas if a parent should have the choice to stay at home and raise her kids.

(Telling, that "her".)

Ya think? Ya think it might be decent to ask the question, even if you do have not the slightest evidentiary basis for asking it? The slightest reason to think that I suggest that people should not have the choice to do as they like with their lives? (Which I assume is not the same as advocating that the public bear the cost of their choices, of course.)

Did you think maybe I would say: No, everyone everywhere should be forced to hold employment from the time they complete their education until the day they reach an approved retirement age?

What kind of really disrespectful "question" is yours?
I seriously doubt Ann Romney has ever actually worked on or for much of anything - literally Siwsan Apr 2012 #1
Oh, hey I agree.. Texasgal Apr 2012 #3
Nearly two decades ago, the mother of my godchild expressed the attitude... hlthe2b Apr 2012 #2
I don't think Ann is a "bad" Texasgal Apr 2012 #4
and btw hlthe2b seabeyond Apr 2012 #170
If only we could be two places at once and "truly" do/have/experience it all. hlthe2b Apr 2012 #173
as a mother of 5... handmade34 Apr 2012 #5
I agree... ALL women Texasgal Apr 2012 #6
why? iverglas Apr 2012 #27
I think that you have highlighted the difference between N. American Feminism and N. European Tumbulu Apr 2012 #28
that sounds muddled to me iverglas Apr 2012 #30
Muddled? Why? Tumbulu Apr 2012 #77
as I just said below iverglas Apr 2012 #88
I get the feeling that we are misunderstanding each other Tumbulu Apr 2012 #177
I hope this story goes away after the Sunday talking head shows are done chewing it customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #7
I think you're wrong. I don't think there are many "traditional homemakers" left. PassingFair Apr 2012 #9
see, this is the thing. we do see it differently seabeyond Apr 2012 #10
I understand. When my youngest daughter was in second grade... PassingFair Apr 2012 #11
i dont see it as a career. seabeyond Apr 2012 #12
I really get it! PassingFair Apr 2012 #13
i just read an OP in GD that i am defined as "a lady of leisure". that is a real seabeyond Apr 2012 #15
Unbelievable. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #61
I am sorry, I do see it as a career Tumbulu Apr 2012 #80
wow iverglas Apr 2012 #99
I agree Tumbulu, raising children is real work.... Little Star Apr 2012 #109
While there may not be many of those types of women where you live customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #19
"...We don't need this battle" PassingFair Apr 2012 #20
Then you don't have a clue what's going on in suburbia and rural areas customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #32
we see it on the thread. and you are right on. seabeyond Apr 2012 #33
The Repukes thrive on this customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #35
i agree. i am disgusted by the whole thing seabeyond Apr 2012 #36
They want to change the Subject from birth control. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #63
if she had merely said.... had never been in the workforce. but, even what she said was not a big seabeyond Apr 2012 #66
No, but of course the right wing noise machine is going to latch onto it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #70
I LIVE in suburbia. Once a kid is in 1st grade.... PassingFair Apr 2012 #34
Maybe you live with people who have gotten past the debate customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #37
If you really are a "guy", then it speaks volumes that you are the only one PassingFair Apr 2012 #39
Ah, yes, I've seen that here before customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #40
Not worthless. Did you read the OP? PassingFair Apr 2012 #51
Ok, then since I'm a straight guy customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #54
I guess I live in a nice place. PassingFair Apr 2012 #55
You're right, I'll admit customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #57
If you think that being a homemaker is not helping "the fiscal well being of our families" customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #38
though i forgot the tax level i would be at, i basically said the same as you in another post. so, seabeyond Apr 2012 #42
Thanks, well said customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #43
that is another thing. i am seeing more and more fathers as SAHFs. i love it. really appreciate seabeyond Apr 2012 #45
There is a similar thing that goes on with men customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #52
i see that often too. hence, why i say this issue is solely about pitting women against women seabeyond Apr 2012 #58
Absolutely. I'm someone who has done both. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #60
I agree with you (nt) Tumbulu Apr 2012 #81
and I keep having a problem with this view of women iverglas Apr 2012 #47
yes.... what you are saying. i prefer to say people that stay at home, recognizing more men are seabeyond Apr 2012 #56
the problem being that "people" do NOT stay at home iverglas Apr 2012 #67
Some data on (US) stay at home dads Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #69
what stay at home parent stays home for more than a few years per child? Tumbulu Apr 2012 #82
one of the biggest challenges for me was having worked for a couple decades seabeyond Apr 2012 #89
"watching" children iverglas Apr 2012 #93
no stereotype about it iverglas, a reality. yes, lets argue for it. i am all for that. seabeyond Apr 2012 #95
Well this was my work personality as well Tumbulu Apr 2012 #171
romneys are clueless to how so many in the nation live because of wealth. seabeyond Apr 2012 #8
To be honest, I've been growing increasingly uncomfortable with progressives piling on Ann Romney... wildflower Apr 2012 #14
You don't see anyone making remarks about boston bean Apr 2012 #16
right on BB. this is how i see it. nt seabeyond Apr 2012 #17
Yes, this. Exactly. n/t MadrasT Apr 2012 #21
Yes... good point..Admittedly, I am still more focused on the hypocrisy relative to Mitt's comments hlthe2b Apr 2012 #159
Thanks for this thread MadrasT Apr 2012 #18
I would like to see men put under the magnifying glass for a fucking change. seabeyond Apr 2012 #22
My husband is a stay at home dad Nikia Apr 2012 #23
My husband and I both worked full time jobs. boston bean Apr 2012 #24
And that's the other thing, right there: The nuclear family, the mobilization of society Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #48
well, I do have an issue with women staying at home to raise children iverglas Apr 2012 #25
Choosing to be a mother is a major life changing choice Tumbulu Apr 2012 #29
again, I'm not sure where this is iverglas Apr 2012 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Apr 2012 #73
thanks and very interesting iverglas Apr 2012 #143
You are most entitled to your opinions on the matter Tumbulu Apr 2012 #178
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Apr 2012 #180
I think that you have asked a good thought provoking question Tumbulu Apr 2012 #181
OK, some thoughts and questions Tumbulu Apr 2012 #182
In my reply above I posted the link to the parental leave Tumbulu Apr 2012 #79
well I guess when it gets to this point: iverglas Apr 2012 #84
They should have said "I find your anti mothers-staying-at-home-attitude positively puzzling' Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #90
false dichotomies iverglas Apr 2012 #94
i think people are working really hard not to "disparage women who have jobs" seabeyond Apr 2012 #97
Not at all. Even my current job is soul destroying... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #105
jobs are soul-destroying iverglas Apr 2012 #111
Yr not getting it because I didn't say that, nor anything remotely close to it... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #113
only in it for the money iverglas Apr 2012 #116
Just out of curiosity... Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #41
curiosity is a good thing iverglas Apr 2012 #44
I'm guessing "no". Not because it's any of my business, but because, from your post Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #46
guess what you like iverglas Apr 2012 #49
No, I'm saying you don't seem to have any idea what the job- and yes, it's a job- of being a parent Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #50
I really think you should quit this while you're behind iverglas Apr 2012 #53
Quit what? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #59
I think you're out of line with this line of questioning. PassingFair Apr 2012 #62
Really. So experience as a stay at home parent doesn't count, regardless of gender? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #64
Not if you're questioning the validity of her opinion like you are. PassingFair Apr 2012 #65
Well, like I said Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #68
what a very strange analogy iverglas Apr 2012 #71
To be fair, I missed the part of the OP directing it to, quote, "ladies" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #72
This is the history of feminism group boston bean Apr 2012 #74
I'm actually agreeing with what Warren's been saying... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #98
oh well iverglas Apr 2012 #102
Hey Violet... I would like to explain further the point to my post to Warren boston bean Apr 2012 #106
That's cool.... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #107
I'm sure too! boston bean Apr 2012 #108
but the post you replied to iverglas Apr 2012 #112
That's because I still agree with Warren, and he wasn't attempting anything of the sort... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #114
well, really iverglas Apr 2012 #117
Actually, that's NOT what I said. In fact, it's a total misrepresentation of what I said. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #175
I back you up on this and find the opinions Tumbulu Apr 2012 #76
No, it is not. MadrasT Apr 2012 #78
I am not pitting one against the other Tumbulu Apr 2012 #83
having two kids, two and half yrs seperate seabeyond Apr 2012 #86
I thank you for following your intuition Tumbulu Apr 2012 #167
well, see seabeyond Apr 2012 #169
And it is work that can hardly be considered full-time, once the kids are in school. PassingFair Apr 2012 #144
I'm not so sure the objective is to "revere" stay at home mothers. boston bean Apr 2012 #75
what I don't think is right iverglas Apr 2012 #85
iverglas boston bean Apr 2012 #87
if I saw anyone in this thread iverglas Apr 2012 #91
I just want to be clear, is what you are saying boston bean Apr 2012 #92
better to ask open-ended questions iverglas Apr 2012 #96
iverglas.... with who i am, raising children is ideal for me. everything about it. seabeyond Apr 2012 #103
and yet I didn't say that iverglas Apr 2012 #110
There are options that are available boston bean Apr 2012 #128
then why am I the only one saying this? iverglas Apr 2012 #130
They are too busy defending themselves boston bean Apr 2012 #136
maybe they are too busy inventing things iverglas Apr 2012 #139
yes, this. n/t Scout Apr 2012 #140
The conversations take on a life of their own boston bean Apr 2012 #142
i am not going to apologize or work really hard to insist that i work with babies. i LOVE my job seabeyond Apr 2012 #100
wow iverglas Apr 2012 #101
why????? lol. nt seabeyond Apr 2012 #104
Perhaps you do not realize that 80% of women have to go back to work Tumbulu Apr 2012 #162
"you dont get to take my choice away from me" Scout Apr 2012 #119
this would just be one of a handful seabeyond Apr 2012 #122
and how does that lead to taking away your choice? Scout Apr 2012 #123
if not facilitating a choice to the nth degree iverglas Apr 2012 #126
but you basically confirmed me saying you do not want a parent to have the choice of raising their seabeyond Apr 2012 #131
I think that's about enough for today iverglas Apr 2012 #133
sigh... well, there was no intent to be either ugly or mispresenting what you are saying seabeyond Apr 2012 #135
a few. the feel i get anyway. seabeyond Apr 2012 #129
how really quite awful iverglas Apr 2012 #132
what??? seabeyond Apr 2012 #137
here is what you said to me iverglas Apr 2012 #141
let me try woman-speak iverglas Apr 2012 #156
" try woman-speak". ok. but, i am not good at it. seabeyond Apr 2012 #163
hey.... seabeyond Apr 2012 #179
as long as I'm reading last Saturday's Toronto Star ;) iverglas Apr 2012 #26
I'd have been interested in a little more discussion of this iverglas Apr 2012 #120
can women weigh in? or only ladies? Scout Apr 2012 #115
it occurred to me a little while ago iverglas Apr 2012 #118
well, i'm posting from work ... multi-tasking ... i have two monitors Scout Apr 2012 #121
I was going to mention the two monitors ;) iverglas Apr 2012 #124
except what i see there is like ONE, possibly two stay at homes..... seabeyond Apr 2012 #125
it wasn't an argument, it was an observation iverglas Apr 2012 #127
ok. a false observation. i am a stay at home. tumbulu may be, i am not sure. seabeyond Apr 2012 #134
no, yours is the false observation iverglas Apr 2012 #138
I farm 100 acres organically/biodynamically Tumbulu Apr 2012 #165
ok, you have a job, too. lol. seabeyond Apr 2012 #168
well, since it is my own farm and business Tumbulu Apr 2012 #172
i spent my 20's very selfishly working on myself not to allow others to define me. seabeyond Apr 2012 #174
Thanks seabeyond Tumbulu Apr 2012 #176
"What Mother doesn't want to raise kids at home full-time? " Scout Apr 2012 #160
over the years, this is where i go with all this. seabeyond Apr 2012 #164
I know plenty that far prefer their paying jobs- wonderful - Tumbulu Apr 2012 #166
Interesting. Texasgal Apr 2012 #145
is it really fair iverglas Apr 2012 #146
It's predictable Texasgal Apr 2012 #147
well iverglas Apr 2012 #148
It's beyond discussion. Texasgal Apr 2012 #151
perhaps iverglas Apr 2012 #152
Fully aware. Texasgal Apr 2012 #153
hey... was gonna give you a shout out. busy working. upside with my jjjjob, ok seabeyond Apr 2012 #161
and you tried so hard to make the thread a good discussion Scout Apr 2012 #149
to be fair scout, I think this was the first sentence of the OP: boston bean Apr 2012 #154
I think we've seen many different opinions. PassingFair Apr 2012 #158
so ... where is the line drawn? iverglas Apr 2012 #150
What do you think? nt boston bean Apr 2012 #155
whatever iverglas Apr 2012 #157
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