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redqueen

(115,096 posts)
57. The language in that one bullet point is not clear to most people...
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:35 AM
Jul 2012

and it's being spun to blue hell.

I think the FOX article is not accurrate. Tx4obama Jul 2012 #1
if the mother has to work at getting her option, a new mother, then it is too far. seabeyond Jul 2012 #21
She doesn't. This restricts the formula marketers, not the mothers. pnwmom Jul 2012 #114
since this post, i have found other info that goes beyond this simple reasoning. seabeyond Jul 2012 #117
wellll actually . . . mzteris Jul 2012 #2
How about because she doesn't want to? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #3
Women who want to breastfeed will breastfeed. boston bean Jul 2012 #6
Really? Spend a day in a WIC clinic and you will think differently. vanlassie Jul 2012 #13
You speak to me like I could not speak with any authority regarding this. boston bean Jul 2012 #18
In MY county, 70 percent formula feed. vanlassie Jul 2012 #37
and if that is the case, address the issue. that is not the case in THIS seabeyond Jul 2012 #40
County. A Central California county. vanlassie Jul 2012 #45
not enough coffee yet. i read country. obviously. sorry. i corrected. seabeyond Jul 2012 #53
It isn't harassment because this isn't directed at the mother, breastfeeding or not. pnwmom Jul 2012 #120
ok. i get that. that is a good way to explain. still there is the purposeful making accessibility seabeyond Jul 2012 #123
This law doesn't require any mini-lecture, and nurses who might want to engage in that pnwmom Jul 2012 #132
You have no idea why some mothers want to bottle feed. boston bean Jul 2012 #140
Why do you refuse to acknowledge the truth? That this law doesn't pnwmom Jul 2012 #143
No, it requires the doctor to give a reason. Which if he does not provide there will be no formula. boston bean Jul 2012 #145
You still don't understand. A baby to whom breast milk is unavailable or insufficient pnwmom Jul 2012 #147
Yes, it does, when you add in people who think they know better than you. boston bean Jul 2012 #152
I think that is the crux of the issue for you: "when you add in people who think they know pnwmom Jul 2012 #184
No one has to get the doctor s permission vanlassie Jul 2012 #151
again, please tell me where you are getting this info, exactly, cause this is what I have boston bean Jul 2012 #164
What you are pointing to doesn't support your conclusion. pnwmom Jul 2012 #186
It may not be breastfeeding, but it isn't going to see a bottle until the doctor changes the order. boston bean Jul 2012 #189
Then the nurse will get the doctor to immediately change the order. Big deal. No nurse pnwmom Jul 2012 #190
So you finally agree, there is another hurdle to a woman bottle feeding her baby. boston bean Jul 2012 #192
No hurdle at all to the mother. All she has to do is tell the nurse she's decided to formula feed. pnwmom Jul 2012 #196
Correct. This is about stopping unethical plying of mothers of breastfeeding babies vanlassie Jul 2012 #217
go after the companies. leave the mothers ALONE. i really have issue with this seabeyond Jul 2012 #24
Right. That is what is being done. vanlassie Jul 2012 #43
this is not what this legislation is about. it is going after choice. medical reason. make it harder seabeyond Jul 2012 #48
Do they search her bags when she checks in??? vanlassie Jul 2012 #50
i pointed out how it is harassment. you ignored my issues. and no... i am not about "disrupting". seabeyond Jul 2012 #54
No, they're NOT asking the mother for a medical reason not to breastfeed. pnwmom Jul 2012 #124
Hello, you keep saying this, but I suspect you haven't read what I have written or you are boston bean Jul 2012 #138
Please show me where it says that the mother or her doctor must provide a medical reason pnwmom Jul 2012 #144
I already have a bunch of times, but let me provide to you the link that was provided to me boston bean Jul 2012 #166
"Medically indicated" MadrasT Jul 2012 #173
You are missing an important distinction. Read it again. vanlassie Jul 2012 #218
That is ALREADY a New York State regulation, it's nothing new pnwmom Jul 2012 #182
"Anurse will no longer be able to give formula to a breastfeeding baby unless a doctor says the baby boston bean Jul 2012 #185
If a woman changes her mind and decides not to nurse her baby, pnwmom Jul 2012 #187
Seems to me as though a woman would have to wait until her doctors boston bean Jul 2012 #188
Wrong. The order wouldn't apply to a mother who had decided to stop nursing. pnwmom Jul 2012 #202
Orders just don't stop until a doctor stops them and give the direction or other orders. boston bean Jul 2012 #208
They do if the order only applies to a breastfed baby and the baby is no longer breastfeeding.n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #215
No they do not. The nurse must document that the mother requested formula. Period. Over and out. vanlassie Jul 2012 #219
" not force mothers who don't want to". then what would be the mini lecture with EVERY bottle given seabeyond Jul 2012 #200
There is no "mini-lecture" as part of this law. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #204
Were you not able to see the bias and inflammatory language in that article? vanlassie Jul 2012 #220
No one is bothering mothers. This is about keeping formula companies pnwmom Jul 2012 #191
Most women are breastfeeding, it's over 70% at the hospital. boston bean Jul 2012 #194
They used to have the power to use the hospitals in their marketing schemes pnwmom Jul 2012 #195
Faux news made this happen? boston bean Jul 2012 #197
Faux news is working hard to alarm people like you. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #198
i gotta tell you, there is a point where words have been spoken out loud, that are being ignored seabeyond Jul 2012 #203
I have no idea what you're saying here. Sorry. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #206
I'm alarmed that people think this is a good idea. boston bean Jul 2012 #211
Formula reps are allowed free and unfetterd access on maternity wards. They come in and stock the vanlassie Jul 2012 #221
doi have to go back and get the quotes i have provided a number of times from medical people saying seabeyond Jul 2012 #201
I was the only person in my family,including HockeyMom Jul 2012 #141
me, too. i couldnt agree more. and everyone hears how much i am on the kids side. i am appalled seabeyond Jul 2012 #23
What type of control? The mothers are still free not to nurse. pnwmom Jul 2012 #116
No one will force her to. This isn't aimed at the mothers, who are free not to nurse. pnwmom Jul 2012 #115
We're not talking about mzteris Jul 2012 #205
as long as that documentation consists of... because i want to bottle feed. and it go no farther seabeyond Jul 2012 #22
But what if they "want to" but can't? mzteris Jul 2012 #209
i have yet to see the formula companies running amok in the hospitals. i do not like anything seabeyond Jul 2012 #212
For some reason I am suspicious that Faux News may be spinning this issue. redqueen Jul 2012 #4
I saw two sources, NY Daily News and Faux. boston bean Jul 2012 #5
Yeah, no medical reason should be necessary. redqueen Jul 2012 #7
How big of a problem is this? Are "lazy" nurses going against their patients wishes boston bean Jul 2012 #8
I wasn't the only one complaining about it in more than one parenting forum I used to post in. redqueen Jul 2012 #9
Well, how about some education for the nurses on respecting parents wishes. boston bean Jul 2012 #10
I still think there's some spin going on here. redqueen Jul 2012 #11
The pressure to force women to breast feed is unconscionable in my humble opinion. boston bean Jul 2012 #12
Exacty what is the FORCE you speak of? vanlassie Jul 2012 #14
These tactics, SUCK! boston bean Jul 2012 #16
I'm still not seeing what tactics you mean. redqueen Jul 2012 #28
It makes me feel terrible, and I wish I could do it. seabeyond Jul 2012 #34
So ... they're not supposed to tell anyone how much better it is? nt redqueen Jul 2012 #36
did anyone say DO NOT educate? anywhere. really? of course not. between the gyno seabeyond Jul 2012 #42
That's all I read at the link. redqueen Jul 2012 #49
the pressure is clear. think of your vulnerability with a new born. especially the first time. seabeyond Jul 2012 #58
Really, RQ? boston bean Jul 2012 #39
I read the link but somehow missed the bucking bronco ad. redqueen Jul 2012 #46
Actually guilt is used constantly in advertising, vanlassie Jul 2012 #222
Help me see the force here. missingthebigdog Jul 2012 #15
making it a medical necessity for mothers to be able to get formula for their babies boston bean Jul 2012 #17
"making it a medical necessity" MadrasT Jul 2012 #19
I have just about had it with men legislating, controlling, and directing the CHOICES women seabeyond Jul 2012 #38
The nurses have to document a medical necessity missingthebigdog Jul 2012 #55
The language in that one bullet point is not clear to most people... redqueen Jul 2012 #57
it sets everything up for harassment of a new mom. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #61
bottle feeding has nothing to do with "medical necessity". that is bullshit. and pretending this seabeyond Jul 2012 #60
I am not "pretending that this is not a a way to harass a new mom." missingthebigdog Jul 2012 #93
Thank you! Finally, common sense! n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #126
i have never, in all the years, seen or heard, the bottle was a default. hospitals are so big on seabeyond Jul 2012 #35
Hospitals are NOT big on breastfeedi ng, except as lip service. That's why WOMEN are taking a stand vanlassie Jul 2012 #59
again, i read that. and again, i have to wonder why calif is so far behind texas. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #62
Are they? vanlassie Jul 2012 #65
as i said, in our hospitals, even the ones that take in the new moms that cannot afford, there is an seabeyond Jul 2012 #67
Texas WIC and Texas breastfeeding vanlassie Jul 2012 #73
the hospitals in our area has done all they can to encourage breastfeeding. the instruction is seabeyond Jul 2012 #77
Here is the data on Texas vanlassie Jul 2012 #121
It could never be the fact that it was the womans choice, now could it? boston bean Jul 2012 #178
What I am sure of is that initiation of breastfeeding relates to intention, and discharge 48 hours vanlassie Jul 2012 #216
my point being, the services are offered. the push for breastfeeding is there. and IF a mother seabeyond Jul 2012 #207
To make what harder?? And guilt how? missingthebigdog Jul 2012 #64
that has nothing to do with the legislation. want a campaign to highlight health of breastfeeding? seabeyond Jul 2012 #70
Excuse me the good intentioned well meaning mom who decides after the fact boston bean Jul 2012 #74
You are apparently reading something I am not. missingthebigdog Jul 2012 #91
please explain how this is not manipulating a new mom with a hungry baby and just down right ugly seabeyond Jul 2012 #95
Really?? Cruel? missingthebigdog Jul 2012 #105
how readily you dismiss an hungry baby. cruel? you ask. put that one to the side and go on with seabeyond Jul 2012 #110
I'm done. missingthebigdog Jul 2012 #112
your assumptions would be wrong. i have only had the most positive experiences with nurses and it seabeyond Jul 2012 #119
What I think is there will be some who believe they know better boston bean Jul 2012 #172
I am not missing anything. The woman will have to get permission in her chart boston bean Jul 2012 #97
Not so. Declared formula feeders will already be vanlassie Jul 2012 #113
making the formula less accessible... "nurses aide cannot just grab a bottle" but hell, if these seabeyond Jul 2012 #122
No mother will need a doctor's permission not to breastfeed. That's completely wrong. pnwmom Jul 2012 #127
Uh, what if you got some doctor who thinks the woman can and should breastfeed and is pressuring. boston bean Jul 2012 #131
agree with you again. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #30
“The key to getting more moms to breast-feed is making the formula less accessible… seabeyond Jul 2012 #29
I see several inflammatory statements vanlassie Jul 2012 #199
Yep. vanlassie Jul 2012 #75
again... "lazy/thoughtless nurses" seabeyond Jul 2012 #26
Is there any evidence that Bloomberg thought this up on his own? redqueen Jul 2012 #32
do i fuckin care WHO thought this little garbage legislation up? i will repeat. seabeyond Jul 2012 #44
I think the spin has been very effective. redqueen Jul 2012 #51
then whomever should step up and make it very clear how the fuck this is not about harassing new mom seabeyond Jul 2012 #63
The solution to that is not shaming and guilting women who choose to bottle feed. nt boston bean Jul 2012 #47
The mother is NOT required to have a medical reason for choosing not to breastfeed. pnwmom Jul 2012 #125
Yes, I posted that before I'd read anything but the spin. redqueen Jul 2012 #128
Kind of frustrating, isn't it? How did this get so twisted around? pnwmom Jul 2012 #129
It is not twisted around. boston bean Jul 2012 #133
You've misunderstood the law completely. It doesn't require the woman to have pnwmom Jul 2012 #135
What if breat milk is readily available and not inadequate boston bean Jul 2012 #137
If the mother chooses not to nurse, then her milk is NOT READILY AVAILABLE pnwmom Jul 2012 #149
I understand that, but why does she need to have permission from a doctor boston bean Jul 2012 #158
SHE doesn't need permission from the doctor. The BABY'S doctor will automatically authorize pnwmom Jul 2012 #183
I think you've finally recognized my point below. boston bean Jul 2012 #193
from another stand point, i do NOT like the tagging that a mother is depriving, ergo, a medical seabeyond Jul 2012 #210
All the spin and demagoguery. redqueen Jul 2012 #134
post the debunking of it. I'm open minded, and if it is debunked I'm happy to give in to that point boston bean Jul 2012 #136
I and several others have explained where the regulations are being misrepresented. redqueen Jul 2012 #139
You are right, we won't see eye to eye, because this is not about boston bean Jul 2012 #146
A doctor's input would only be needed in order to override a mother's preference to breastfeed. redqueen Jul 2012 #150
Has anything I've written been read? boston bean Jul 2012 #155
Of course, but simply the fact that you wrote it doesn't confer any authority. redqueen Jul 2012 #159
They were pressured by lactivists, just like every other politician out there boston bean Jul 2012 #162
It's actually science that shows breastfeeding is so much better. redqueen Jul 2012 #167
So it really does come down to what one thinks is better. boston bean Jul 2012 #170
How about if she just wants to bottle feed? boston bean Jul 2012 #130
You don't understand. The medical reason is for why the BABY needs formula, pnwmom Jul 2012 #118
How long mercuryblues Jul 2012 #148
How many doctors refuse epidurals? redqueen Jul 2012 #153
The morning after pill, abortions, d + c's, contraception boston bean Jul 2012 #154
That, to me, seems like a lot of apples and oranges. redqueen Jul 2012 #157
We see it differently. I see a direct correlation and chances of it happening. boston bean Jul 2012 #160
did you mercuryblues Jul 2012 #156
Insurance coverage for birth control has always been an issue. redqueen Jul 2012 #161
The fundies think abortion is life and death too. boston bean Jul 2012 #163
so what you are mercuryblues Jul 2012 #168
No, I am suggesting nothing of the sort. redqueen Jul 2012 #169
here in the backward amarillo texas, there was no thought of handing a bottle. it was all focused seabeyond Jul 2012 #25
this goes along the lines of want an abortion... then sit thru a lecture how bad you are. seabeyond Jul 2012 #20
A lot is being made of that one bullet point. redqueen Jul 2012 #27
If a mother asks for a bottle to feed her baby, why does she need a doctors order? boston bean Jul 2012 #52
after reading that, i think it needs to be cleared up if they are talking about the moms that are seabeyond Jul 2012 #69
ok. thank you for this. it is much clearer on anything i read. this is stating seabeyond Jul 2012 #66
It's no harder than getting medication. redqueen Jul 2012 #68
Where is the spin. A mother needs her doctors permission to give the baby formula from a bottle. boston bean Jul 2012 #71
it's not the formula companies coming up with these new rules and regulations. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #78
No, a mother does not need her doctor's permission. redqueen Jul 2012 #80
The mother must approach a nurse to get a doctor to note in the chart boston bean Jul 2012 #81
Thats what every new mother does. redqueen Jul 2012 #83
Fron your link: boston bean Jul 2012 #85
"not to breastfeed is to put your baby at risk." hype. seabeyond Jul 2012 #76
Less accessible as in more like medicine than paper towels. redqueen Jul 2012 #82
Right women can't write themselves prescriptions, they need a doctor to write one. boston bean Jul 2012 #84
it is not readily available. a new mom wanting to feed crying baby NOW, is a known. they have made seabeyond Jul 2012 #86
If it is in the chart that mom prefers to bottle feed, redqueen Jul 2012 #87
“The key to getting more moms to breast-feed is making the formula less accessible… seabeyond Jul 2012 #88
Every patient in the hospital has to wait for medicine. redqueen Jul 2012 #89
Excuse me, this isn't about just that, it is about taking it out of the mothers hands boston bean Jul 2012 #90
oh, red, we are talking a newborn that needs to eat. not wait for medicine. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #92
Yes and they're almost always on a schedule. redqueen Jul 2012 #94
that is not the words being used. i can only go off what i am reading. not what i would like to HOPE seabeyond Jul 2012 #96
No, that's your interpretation of the words. redqueen Jul 2012 #99
evil tyrannical masterminds behind it are the lactivists boston bean Jul 2012 #101
sea posted a quote from a writer at the NY Post. redqueen Jul 2012 #107
"they" are not doing this. this was a quote YOU put up with a medical womans comment. not "they" seabeyond Jul 2012 #103
and redq. i am just as appalled that you wanted to breastfeed and made that clear and your babies seabeyond Jul 2012 #79
I'm not a fan of formula, but . . . no_hypocrisy Jul 2012 #31
Is anyone reading the FAQ? redqueen Jul 2012 #33
I did, and it still requires a doctors permission to change from breastfeeding to bottle feeding. boston bean Jul 2012 #72
I had to buy powdered goat's milk for my daughter, HockeyMom Jul 2012 #41
This sounds like it's about money Renew Deal Jul 2012 #56
a mini-lecture on the benefits of breast-feeding along with each bottle of formula. seabeyond Jul 2012 #98
I'm astounded that Murdoch's rag is being taken at face value. redqueen Jul 2012 #100
this is not murdochs rag. it is the people saying what will happen. and if you really do not seabeyond Jul 2012 #102
Really? redqueen Jul 2012 #104
I see it as no different that making a woman view an ultrasound prior to boston bean Jul 2012 #106
I see it very differently. redqueen Jul 2012 #108
This is not education, it is guilting and shaming and trying to force women boston bean Jul 2012 #111
those defending. i am all for breastfeeding. cheers to every mother that breastfed. truly, you seabeyond Jul 2012 #109
Hey BB... MadrasT Jul 2012 #142
Hey MT! boston bean Jul 2012 #165
dealing w/ family crisis... AGAIN, so cant keep up. BUT this thread certainly shows we can disagree seabeyond Jul 2012 #171
Shhhhhhh MadrasT Jul 2012 #174
you are an hoot.... so much fun. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #175
I'm getting ready to block boston bean Jul 2012 #176
you betcha.... wink. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #177
Hahahaha... redqueen Jul 2012 #179
lol lol, that would have been the funniest.... seabeyond Jul 2012 #180
ha! boston bean Jul 2012 #214
Now that made me laugh! Little Star Jul 2012 #213
Isn't odd that those those of us who have breastfed HockeyMom Jul 2012 #181
In my recent (less than a week ago) with delivering a baby a baby at a hospital and short stay Nikia Jul 2012 #223
congrats to you woman. yea... a new baby. seabeyond Jul 2012 #224
Thanks Nikia Jul 2012 #225
ha. that happens. lol. i have two boys, same age difference. 2 and half years. good spacing. seabeyond Jul 2012 #227
Congrats! Hope it's going OK now? vanlassie Jul 2012 #226
Awwww! Congratulations! redqueen Aug 2012 #228
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