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Dark n Stormy Knight

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67. The patriarchy has been such a powerful and influential force over a long period of time that we can
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 06:06 PM
Feb 2015

safely assume that it has has significant influence on just about everything, but particularly things related to male-female relationships and sexuality in general.

You want to talk absurdity? Denying that one's sexual preferences, including kinks, within one's sexual orientation can be taught is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. Not in the least reality-based.

Most things are learned and what is learned is overwhelmingly influenced by the society in which one lives. And most things about the society in which we live have come down to us though the system of patriarchy. That's the reality.

Questioning whether what we've been taught to enjoy is ultimately positive for us as women and for humanity in general, is not a "Church Lady" thing.

And here is an extremely insightful article that addresses that in relation to 50 Shades.

The real reasons for the popularity of Fifty Shades, and for the persistent role of domination and submission in women’s sexual imaginations, are rooted in what it actually means to live life in a female body—and the truth about that is so dark it makes Christian Grey’s Red Room of Pain seem as innocuous as a backyard sandbox.

So when people pontificate about women’s intrinsic sexual nature, I find myself thinking: How do you know? How can we ourselves even know? From earliest childhood, women’s experience of sex is so inextricably intertwined with all forms of male control that submission is forever eroticized in more ways than we can possibly unravel. As females, we have been dominated physically, politically, socially, legally, and economically, and pop culture endlessly reinforces the message. Hip-hop derides bitches and ho’s, an entire genre of blockbuster videogames depicts female characters as sexualized corpses or disposable prostitutes, fashion sells bondage dresses with leather cages, and Hollywood recycles domination themes from 9 1?2 Weeks to Secretary to Venus in Fur. Sex is fused with violence for countless women who suffer domestic abuse by husbands and lovers. More than a third of all female homicide victims are killed by intimate partners.


Given those realities, who can say what we would be like in a world where our sexual desires, and the way we express them, were freely chosen instead of imposed on us by a lifetime of social conditioning? Fifty Shades of Grey may represent the ultimate appropriation for capitalist consumption of themes that have resonated throughout history, but one thing its popularity can’t tell us is the truth about female sexuality.


Such a great article I think it needs its own OP. I'll try to get to that.
"If he turns up inside your apartment uninvited, it’s not romantic. It’s breaking and entering." RandySF Feb 2015 #1
... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #2
Even worse than I thought. Kalidurga Feb 2015 #3
pretty much, yeah. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #4
Did not read it, will not watch it. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #5
yw, sheshe2 and thanks for expanding on the OP. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #6
For the young ones... sheshe2 Feb 2015 #7
So, if this is supposed to be BDSM, where the hell are the safe words? n/t eridani Feb 2015 #8
As I understand it, murielm99 Feb 2015 #9
Sure gives a lot of scope for bullies to say "Trust me--this really is BDSM" n/t eridani Feb 2015 #12
SPOILER WARNING!!! I have not seen the film but will reveal the ending here in order to address the. TeamPooka Feb 2015 #11
"Stop" is part of a scene, not an effing safe word! That's horrible! n/t eridani Feb 2015 #13
Everything I have read about the book and movie tell me I don't want to be anywhere near it. Hekate Feb 2015 #10
yw Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #18
Haven't read…. zentrum Feb 2015 #14
yw Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #19
I am convinced the women who bought that crap book and will pay to see this movie Skittles Feb 2015 #15
A clique of women from work read it, at the same time, when it first came out and Yes Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #17
I only heard the dialogue on comedy shows Skittles Feb 2015 #24
Thanks for the 'crap' update Lifelong Protester Feb 2015 #16
yw Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #20
My youngest daughter went to see it ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #21
I fell asleep at Twilight .... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #22
That's my girl ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #23
A boyfriend took me to a strip club when I was in my early 20s. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #28
A friend is defending it on FB. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #25
Hey CrispyQ, Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #26
Thanks, Tuesday. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #32
link here = Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #36
it's accurately described as "what if Ariel Castro were young and pretty" MisterP Feb 2015 #27
I remember that case = Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #29
add RICH Skittles Feb 2015 #38
In a nutshell, that's exactly it. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #63
Um, I need to add about 10,000 recs to this OP. Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #30
Eew! immoderate Feb 2015 #31
I will probably watch it on DVD ... I doubt I can watch it all the way through. I tried to read Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #34
This was originally a twilight fanfiction Veruca Salt Feb 2015 #33
I knew that going in and tried to keep an open mind even though Twilight bored me to sleep. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #35
Yeah ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #37
I think it's more dangerous than just bad sex. cui bono Feb 2015 #43
Also it is embarrassingly and horribly written. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #40
A More Enjoyable Overview (Funny): Hissyspit Feb 2015 #39
Bwahahahaha!!! ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #41
Presented wihtout comment: The rest of the story (spoiler alert) Binkie The Clown Feb 2015 #42
Yeah I heard about that ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #47
And it was written by a woman for women ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2015 #44
And what makes you think sexuality is not influenced by patriarchy? ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #48
It's not up to me to prove the negative ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2015 #49
How about this? Don't come into a feminist group and tell us not to be 'church ladies' Sheldon Cooper Feb 2015 #50
i came in to say the exact same, so agreeing what you say, i will approach it another way. seabeyond Feb 2015 #52
someone disagrees with your post, and your answer is to call someone names? seabeyond Feb 2015 #53
What the fuck are you talking about? ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #54
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #56
You make no sense whatsoever ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #57
from the beginning of its conception, feminists has always been a small percentage. seabeyond Feb 2015 #58
Simple. You barged in, disregarded this group's purpose, started name calling and attacking JTFrog Feb 2015 #59
+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #60
Just another one Tuesday ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #61
The patriarchy has been such a powerful and influential force over a long period of time that we can Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #67
So this is some of what you are 'CONservative' about LeftOfWest Feb 2015 #70
Guns and debauchery are the leading products of Hollywood. The leading box office takes of late proves it. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #45
little wonder Thespian2 Feb 2015 #46
This is just reinforcing abusive relationships. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2015 #51
Haven't read the book. 3catwoman3 Feb 2015 #55
6 real quotes from 'Fifty Shades' that could make you rethink how you feel about it eridani Feb 2015 #62
Good article. Very straightforward and a quick read. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #65
I agree with basically all the criticisms leveled at this ridiculous, horribly written book/movie. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #64
if you notice, the letter(article) is addressed to children/preteens/teens. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #66
Very true. I just see the mere existence of the "50 Shades" phenomenon as a very sad commentary nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #68
True. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #69
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