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Response to MadrasT (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:52 PM

19. Well, MadrasT…

…as someone who also identifies as genderqueer, I find myself fascinated that you would openly defend this charade by redqueen. The very headline challenges the concept of transgender by calling it a trait. Redqueen even goes so far as to refer to gender issues as "bullcrap" on iverglas' blog:

Posted by reallyquiet on June 5, 2012, 10:50 am, in reply to "Re: An aside:"
Not even in the same universe.

Shouldn't we dismantle patriarchy and eliminate the 'gender' bullcrap first, and *then* address the issues resulting from whatever it is that makes people think they were born with the wrong sex organs?

http://members.boardhost.com/duckies/msg/1338907811.html

So, really, could redqueen's disdain for transgender issues be any more transparent? But let's get back to you, MadrasT.

You refer to these butch women as members of your tribe and yet I'm willing to bet money that every single one of them is sexually attracted to women; something that makes them a little less 'your tribe' since you sleep with men.

I would even go so far as to guess that a few of them are in the process of transitioning, hormonally and/or surgically; something that you don't personally approve of, do you, MadrasT?

In fact, you believe that transgender people who opt for hormones and/or surgery have psychological problems. Something "your tribe" would probably throw you off the island for, if they heard you say it out loud.

Posted by Misstee on June 5, 2012, 10:55 am, in reply to "Re: An aside:"

"Shouldn't we dismantle patriarchy and eliminate the 'gender' bullcrap first, and *then* address the issues resulting from whatever it is that makes people think they were born with the wrong sex organs?"

Yes a thousand times yes.

This train is moving too far, too fast.

I think a huge part of "transgender" issues are psychological.

Body dysphoria is a psychological problem, not a medical problem to be "corrected" with surgery and hormones.


As inveigle has said, if people want to adopt social gender roles that they think belong to the "opposite" sex, have a party. I think it is COOL!

But when it gets to physically altering your body, I start to have big problems with it.

And then to talk about doing it to CHILDREN?

Makes me extremely uncomfortable. Extremely.

http://members.boardhost.com/duckies/msg/1338908111.html

~and~

Posted by Misstee on June 5, 2012, 2:14 pm

I have always been a vocal, active supporter of "transgender rights" because I passionately support everyone having the freedom to break free from societally imposed gender roles.

I was basically raised nongendered and always did whatever the hell I wanted to do, and it suits me fine.

So I think everyone should do whatever the hell suits them, with no regard to what sex they are.

But this business of transgender people taking hormones and undergoing surgeries to alter their bodies to fit what they think the gender in their head is... I have always felt queasy about that.

Now I have decided I am dead set against it.


I think actual females getting breast implants and labia enhancing surgeries and lip enhancements is beyond f*cking ridiculous.

So there is no way I can support people taking drugs and mutilating their bodies to fit some notion of being "the wrong sex".

I am still thinking about this. My position evolves over time.

Maybe my idea that "passionately supporting everyone having the freedom to break free from societally imposed gender roles" just means I am (gasp) an actual feminist, but never knew it???

http://members.boardhost.com/duckies/msg/1338920057.html

Kinda' makes me question your spot under the transgender umbrella. Quite frankly, I'm ready to take your umbrella away.

So, let's get back to the purpose behind posting pictures of butch women in various stages of transgender transition, in the HoF group. Why do YOU think she posted it , "Misstee?"

I agree with you, that gender "expression" is not a "fucking joke" or "a source of mindless entertainment." You're actually making my point for me.

Maybe you can help me to understand why two people who have serious issues with the very definition of transgender, would feel that it would be copacetic to post this OP; and just maybe, while you're at it, you can explain how it fits within the HoF Statement of Purpose.

Everyone knows that the popcorn smilie means you're waiting to see how a thread is going to roll out, before commenting. In fact, I waited almost 6 hours for clarification.

After reading some of the comments at DUckies, I think my comparison to LOLcats is a perfect fit. It was never meant as anything more than a curiosity piece.

TYY


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