just like racism, homophobia, misogyny (Reply #18)

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Sun Feb 23, 2014, 09:21 AM

heaven05 (18,124 posts)

18. just like racism, homophobia, misogyny

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is systemic and institutionalized. Until there is a major shift in cultural norms that americans(males) embrace now and that the 45% of women who voted for romney back, sadly, like 300 years of racism in this country the thousands of years of misogyny will not change anytime soon. "if people cannot handle treating women with respect then they do not belong on this site". True. I respect all who respect me.

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I used to think people in this group exaggerated the level of misogyny on this site... [View all]	Bjorn Against	Feb 2014	OP
There is a fair amount of misandry too..	pipoman	Feb 2014	#1
This message was self-deleted by its author	MadrasT	Feb 2014	#4
If misandry was a serious problem I think that as a man I would have felt it	Bjorn Against	Feb 2014	#5
+1. nt	Democracyinkind	Feb 2014	#6
Quite a few women don't share the	pipoman	Feb 2014	#7
I don't think people who look at the swimsuit issue are necessarilly misogynistic...	Bjorn Against	Feb 2014	#10
And quite a few do. And have been very vocal about the fact that they do. And when I say	Squinch	Feb 2014	#12
Exactly. nt	SunSeeker	Feb 2014	#189
Please read about Edward Bernays,	chervilant	Feb 2014	#15
Interesting. I have "The Century of the Self" but haven't watched it yet.	arcane1	Feb 2014	#151
Please,	chervilant	Feb 2014	#180
And there are "quite a few" ...	1StrongBlackMan	Feb 2014	#35
There are?	merrily	Feb 2014	#209
Clarence Thomas ...	1StrongBlackMan	Feb 2014	#211
I get your point about Thomas and, if I am honest,	merrily	Feb 2014	#246
Maybe, I exaggerated in ...	1StrongBlackMan	Feb 2014	#247
I think this line from your link hits the nail on the head:	merrily	Feb 2014	#248
..and Allen West does not believe African Americans have been discriminated against...	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#39
I counted five	BainsBane	Feb 2014	#110
But, but, it was posted by a WOMAN! So the menz are not even involved!!1	PassingFair	Feb 2014	#141
The real issue is whether a T & A photo belongs on a progressive political site	pnwmom	Feb 2014	#142
They've had at least three thread of HOT Celebs threads	boston bean	Feb 2014	#144
LOL. Yeah, it would be terrible if they got derailed into actually thinking. n/t	pnwmom	Feb 2014	#145
OMG.....I didn't even know those existed...Holy shit....it's even worse than I thought....	VanillaRhapsody	Feb 2014	#202
spoken like someone who has never really felt either....	VanillaRhapsody	Feb 2014	#154
+1 eom	1StrongBlackMan	Feb 2014	#26
thank you, bjorn against. I don't like anger directed at men either. What really	roguevalley	Feb 2014	#124
they think just saying "White Male Privilege" is "misandry"	VanillaRhapsody	Feb 2014	#153
LOL	Sheldon Cooper	Feb 2014	#13
and right on cue. . . .	niyad	Feb 2014	#21
No, that's just your privilege slipping away.	paleotn	Feb 2014	#24
'Bad for others = good for me' is flawed logic	pipoman	Feb 2014	#32
This line of argument is creeping into MRA ideology.	boston bean	Feb 2014	#85
OK Boston I could not agree with your more.	proudretiredvet	Feb 2014	#99
Instead of taking it personally that a feminist means	boston bean	Feb 2014	#108
that's exactly what I was thinking	passiveporcupine	Feb 2014	#175
but, if you direct your comment to an individual then that person alerts and	Tuesday Afternoon	Feb 2014	#236
If it is meant as a personal insult	passiveporcupine	Feb 2014	#244
if the truth is insulting then perhaps that poster needs step back and review their own post	Tuesday Afternoon	Feb 2014	#245
This same argument came up in a thread about white privilege. I am white. Strangely enough,	Squinch	Feb 2014	#226
Actually, it does ...	1StrongBlackMan	Feb 2014	#137
Pretending that I enjoy some privilege is closer	pipoman	Feb 2014	#148
It's about the whole of society. It's not about you personally.	cui bono	Feb 2014	#166
What's bad?	ismnotwasm	Feb 2014	#104
what is the definition of Privilege?	VanillaRhapsody	Feb 2014	#155
Who is this oh so privileged group?	pipoman	Feb 2014	#158
But ... But ... But ...	1StrongBlackMan	Feb 2014	#33
'I'm in the right' 'everyone with a different view is something best described	pipoman	Feb 2014	#38
It's not about a mere "different view" ...	1StrongBlackMan	Feb 2014	#46
Great response. +1	CrispyQ	Feb 2014	#64
+++	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#68
.	Squinch	Feb 2014	#70
Thank you so much for saying that.	boston bean	Feb 2014	#78
....	ismnotwasm	Feb 2014	#109
anything that will lower the staggering level of rape and abuse in this country	roguevalley	Feb 2014	#125
1StrongBlackMan, I think I have a new sig line. Thank you.	roguevalley	Feb 2014	#126
And when people pretend	pipoman	Feb 2014	#157
Pretend? ...	1StrongBlackMan	Feb 2014	#191
And when people in the privileged gender or race pretend they are not privileged, they	Squinch	Feb 2014	#222
:)	BlancheSplanchnik	Feb 2014	#162
Excellent explanation. N/t	tooeyeten	Feb 2014	#163
Would that I could recommend a post	wryter2000	Feb 2014	#165
Oh so very, very, very well said.	redqueen	Feb 2014	#173
Excellent response!	thucythucy	Feb 2014	#192
Only to people who don't know what it is. nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2014	#41
Derailment tactic.	boston bean	Feb 2014	#83
And it, sadly, worked very well	Lordquinton	Feb 2014	#199
So in other words...	Scootaloo	Feb 2014	#103
I have a few reactions to your statement	WhiteTara	Feb 2014	#111
Nice repost, White Tara. I have Libra disease too in that I can see both sides as well	roguevalley	Feb 2014	#127
Thanks. Mostly I'm quoting the Dalai Lama	WhiteTara	Feb 2014	#128
that's alright, darling. Know thy self. Every thing you do is a revelation of your	roguevalley	Feb 2014	#130
...	WhiteTara	Feb 2014	#136
The Dalai Lama said "widdle feewings"??	Beartracks	Feb 2014	#168
no...that was me	WhiteTara	Feb 2014	#177
I cannot tell you how many times...	awoke_in_2003	Feb 2014	#152
How about some examples?	amuse bouche	Feb 2014	#186
...	pipoman	Feb 2014	#210
Sorry, you don't have a leg to stand on, for that one	amuse bouche	Feb 2014	#214
Stop. Just stop. You're not helping anything.	Recursion	Feb 2014	#204
The OP covered that.	merrily	Feb 2014	#207
I can only imagine that you will provide us with a valid ratio...	LanternWaste	Feb 2014	#225
You are too funny!!!	bravenak	Feb 2014	#227
I admit that it took me a long time to recognize what you are saying too and I am a woman and a	seaglass	Feb 2014	#2
I had the same epiphany a couple of years ago when the same shit went down.	Democracyinkind	Feb 2014	#3
I stop short at disbanding TMG. Other than that	Tuesday Afternoon	Feb 2014	#8
+1	TexasTowelie	Feb 2014	#131
My question is	plantwomyn	Feb 2014	#170
That was a poor word choice on my part.	TexasTowelie	Feb 2014	#182
There are many male regular participants in this group (History of Feminism--the largest of the 4)	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#184
No, they absolutely do not exclude men. Please see my response to the other poster #184	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#185
Bjorn, I am a woman and I had pretty much the same trajectory as you when I got here.	Squinch	Feb 2014	#9
it is unfortunate that in our lives we only get to experience truly and fully	roguevalley	Feb 2014	#129
Thank you, Bjorn, for your support and for taking a stand,	Tanuki	Feb 2014	#11
One thing that this controversy has made clear is that	Squinch	Feb 2014	#14
Taking the time to look at the recs we recieve	boston bean	Feb 2014	#86
Same here...	PasadenaTrudy	Feb 2014	#31
Thank you for this OP.	chervilant	Feb 2014	#16
+1000	ismnotwasm	Feb 2014	#123
Correct on all points.	Starry Messenger	Feb 2014	#147
That is something that's fortunately true.	cinnabonbon	Feb 2014	#216
im not awake enough to type coherently, but thanks	BlancheSplanchnik	Feb 2014	#17
just like racism, homophobia, misogyny	heaven05	Feb 2014	#18
+1	Squinch	Feb 2014	#22
+1000	JustAnotherGen	Feb 2014	#29
Thanks much, Bjorn. "Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left",	whathehell	Feb 2014	#19
Ditto (many thanks to Bjorn), and the Pollitt quote really does seem true	frazzled	Feb 2014	#62
++++++!	BlancheSplanchnik	Feb 2014	#164
thank you very much for your support. I would expect that you will receive a lot of flak for this	niyad	Feb 2014	#20
Hearing from those whose eyes have been opened by recent DU activity...	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#23
Thanks, I will let Skinner know my views.	Bjorn Against	Feb 2014	#51
I agree, Bjorn.	closeupready	Feb 2014	#25
K&R	Solly Mack	Feb 2014	#27
Thank you	PasadenaTrudy	Feb 2014	#28
To be frank, I have always found DU to be misogynist to a point but not	Cleita	Feb 2014	#30
You missed the Point, the objection, the whole 9 yards!	packman	Feb 2014	#40
FYI the swim suit edition of SI has always been posted on DU in the past. I've been here since 2003	Cleita	Feb 2014	#45
"Faux outrage"?	MadrasT	Feb 2014	#55
Evolution is a good thing!	CrispyQ	Feb 2014	#76
Don't bother, trying to explain how these pictures, no matter how "artistic", harm real young women	KitSileya	Feb 2014	#61
Yes, comments from my senator about running for office:	seaglass	Feb 2014	#63
The explanation that is being floated in another thread is that someone called someone a	Squinch	Feb 2014	#65
This message was self-deleted by its author	Orrex	Feb 2014	#82
Then you should have alerted... Coming in here to smear posters in this group with	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#84
This message was self-deleted by its author	Orrex	Feb 2014	#88
Then you are merely coming here to make insinuations & stir trouble. Kindly stop it.	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#90
This message was self-deleted by its author	Orrex	Feb 2014	#93
You are in a group with specific SOP for participation, which includes civil discussion.	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#94
Whoops--thought this thead was posted in GD. My error.	Orrex	Feb 2014	#96
I understand... Thank you for your cooperation.	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#97
Hlthe2b, I didn't see	Squinch	Feb 2014	#150
no problem...	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#156
was that about what I think it was about?	Tuesday Afternoon	Feb 2014	#237
This message was self-deleted by its author	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#240
so sick of this shit, Squinch. is this about what I think it is about?	Tuesday Afternoon	Feb 2014	#238
Yes. You saw it already. I just can't believe that was given as the reason	Squinch	Feb 2014	#241
thank you.	Tuesday Afternoon	Feb 2014	#243
No one is saying you are not adult enough to look at the pictures	Bjorn Against	Feb 2014	#43
Why can't people use the trash thread and ignore button?	Cleita	Feb 2014	#52
Why do you think the photos are appropriate for GD?	Bjorn Against	Feb 2014	#54
Perhaps you'd like to take your own advice for this thread? n/t	MadrasT	Feb 2014	#57
Why would the outrage be phony? What would be the desired result of that?	cui bono	Feb 2014	#198
Many women of my generation...	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#44
I am respectful when I post, but when I don't get respect I will give back in kind.	Cleita	Feb 2014	#48
Consider this a warning. n/t	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#49
Consider this a warning. Don't make threats. n/t	Cleita	Feb 2014	#53
Please stop	JustAnotherGen	Feb 2014	#56
Why did you come into this protected group to spew your shit?	Sheldon Cooper	Feb 2014	#67
^^The poster has been blocked from this group^^	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#71
Thank you.	Sheldon Cooper	Feb 2014	#72
Bullies playing the victim. It's always the same schtick. Sad that it seems to be working for them.	Democracyinkind	Feb 2014	#77
Yes, I really appreciated being told that harassment was my fault,	KitSileya	Feb 2014	#79
Sorry you had	JustAnotherGen	Feb 2014	#92
Thank you.	spooky3	Feb 2014	#100
And under what circumstance does that allow you to accuse a rape victim of lying	boston bean	Feb 2014	#89
Look at your first sentence. You are applying the wrong standard.	spooky3	Feb 2014	#95
This message was self-deleted by its author	cleanhippie	Feb 2014	#98
Obviously, these results say far more about	spooky3	Feb 2014	#101
Actually hosts enforce SOPs	BainsBane	Feb 2014	#114
Thanks. It would be helpful if this	spooky3	Feb 2014	#116
what I do in such cases	BainsBane	Feb 2014	#117
Thanks. I'm just saying it should be easier to find	spooky3	Feb 2014	#118
This message was self-deleted by its author	cleanhippie	Feb 2014	#119
If you were not willing to read the alert	spooky3	Feb 2014	#120
^^The poster has been blocked from this group^^	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#121
Thank you.	spooky3	Feb 2014	#122
Thank you Bjorn.	sheshe2	Feb 2014	#34
The 'mens' Group is mis-named... It is truly the MRA Group...	Ohio Joe	Feb 2014	#36
In fairness, there's hot celebrity fantasies too. nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2014	#42
LOL!	ismnotwasm	Feb 2014	#112
Which generate more responses	thucythucy	Feb 2014	#194
Interesting how it is men who are the ones pointing that out, and who, understandably,	Squinch	Feb 2014	#66
It sure is not 'The Men's Group' and it is very much misnamed.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2014	#75
My sense is 98% of the men on this site feel the same	BainsBane	Feb 2014	#115
I agree wholeheartedly!	justhanginon	Feb 2014	#146
+100. nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2014	#221
This message was self-deleted by its author	My Good Babushka	Feb 2014	#37
So let's post porn and snuff movies, then, right?	Democracyinkind	Feb 2014	#47
No, I know, let's post blackface minstrel shows, and "sh#m%le" porn.	KitSileya	Feb 2014	#59
It's really mind-boggling. They don't even realize that they're arguing for anarchy. nt	Democracyinkind	Feb 2014	#60
This message was self-deleted by its author	My Good Babushka	Feb 2014	#134
Just how GOP Governor Corbett talks about mandatory vaginal ultrasounds	Divernan	Feb 2014	#73
This message was self-deleted by its author	My Good Babushka	Feb 2014	#135
Thank you	JustAnotherGen	Feb 2014	#50
It's good of you to come out and say that.	Whisp	Feb 2014	#58
it is important that the men of DU stand up and speak out. nt.	Warren Stupidity	Feb 2014	#69
It has become quite blatant	etherealtruth	Feb 2014	#74
Thank you.	TDale313	Feb 2014	#80
Very nice.	boston bean	Feb 2014	#81
This is the positivity of all the negativity,	CrispyQ	Feb 2014	#87
I am a female bodied person and I used to think the same thing.	MadrasT	Feb 2014	#91
I could just hug you right now. Thank you for this post.	Tuesday Afternoon	Feb 2014	#239
From a quiet member	MostlyAmused	Feb 2014	#102
Thank you for speaking up.	spooky3	Feb 2014	#106
Thank you for your comments. I hope you feel comfortable in this group. n/t	hlthe2b	Feb 2014	#107
Thank you	ismnotwasm	Feb 2014	#105
Thanks Bjorn Against	WhiteTara	Feb 2014	#113
Humongous KR ... nt	MindMover	Feb 2014	#132
You are my kind of man.	Hell Hath No Fury	Feb 2014	#133
Harassment of women here became a big issue	Warpy	Feb 2014	#138
well said!	BlancheSplanchnik	Feb 2014	#167
That's too bad.	KitSileya	Feb 2014	#171
Yes, exactly.	MadrasT	Feb 2014	#176
+1	historylovr	Feb 2014	#232
+999999999999999999999.9999999999999999999999999	AAO	Feb 2014	#139
Bjorn Against	BainsBane	Feb 2014	#140
I just made a new post in the ATA forum	Bjorn Against	Feb 2014	#172
I agree that the support has been encouraging	BainsBane	Feb 2014	#178
You made it to the greatest page...	Agschmid	Feb 2014	#188
One intelligent, thoughtful post like this makes up for dozens by the knee-jerk nasties. Thank you!	pnwmom	Feb 2014	#143
the 97 recs help too	BainsBane	Feb 2014	#149
Absolutely!	TDale313	Feb 2014	#159
It looks like it	BainsBane	Feb 2014	#161
I can't thank you enough	wryter2000	Feb 2014	#160
OPs like this confirm my instinct	sufrommich	Feb 2014	#169
Comparing HOF to the MG	A-Schwarzenegger	Feb 2014	#174
a quote that needs to be kept and put on repeat	DonCoquixote	Feb 2014	#179
What would DU be without the drama	Gman	Feb 2014	#181
Misogyny, like racism......	DeSwiss	Feb 2014	#183
Well said!	blackspade	Feb 2014	#187
I'm so encouraged by your support and that of so many	UtahLib	Feb 2014	#190
Don't fall for it. It's always the tiny handful of right wingers posing as DUers posting this trash	Sarah Ibarruri	Feb 2014	#193
Cheers.	kickysnana	Feb 2014	#195
Very well state. Thanks. n/t	freshwest	Feb 2014	#200
Noob says he went and scanned the mens group.	fleabiscuit	Feb 2014	#196
It's flourishing in GD as we speak	BainsBane	Feb 2014	#197
That's why it doesn't matter if the group goes away.	fleabiscuit	Feb 2014	#219
Thanks for a thoughtful OP. I blow these off as hopeless, usually. And appreciate this. n/t	freshwest	Feb 2014	#201
Is it misogyny or perhaps	Sherman A1	Feb 2014	#203
It is misogyny in a lot of cases.	Sheldon Cooper	Feb 2014	#212
K&R	emsimon33	Feb 2014	#205
Thank you so much.	myrna minx	Feb 2014	#206
A lot of the misogyny seems to come from those who lean right in general.	merrily	Feb 2014	#208
Some also seem to be the same people who get	sufrommich	Feb 2014	#213
you noticed it, too.	Tuesday Afternoon	Feb 2014	#215
K&R. I agree completely. The recent nonsense has been pretty eye-opening.	DanTex	Feb 2014	#217
I saw your post in ATA. The future looks grim. n/t	Whisp	Feb 2014	#218
Thank you for this OP and your question in ATA.	DURHAM D	Feb 2014	#220
K&R!	hrmjustin	Feb 2014	#223
SKINNER: "So we're genuinely conflicted. Do we lay down the law,	A-Schwarzenegger	Feb 2014	#224
Thanks, I was at work so I was unable to provide a response to Skinner right away	Bjorn Against	Feb 2014	#229
Your response was thoughtful and well presented.	MadrasT	Feb 2014	#230
Amen.	A-Schwarzenegger	Feb 2014	#231
I think your insight about where juries fail was spot on. A very thoughtful post. Thanks. n/t	seaglass	Feb 2014	#233
Yes thank you from me as well.	RBStevens	Feb 2014	#234
That was an outstanding response.	Sheldon Cooper	Feb 2014	#235
Thank you for that reply and also thanks for the OP in GD. Thank you.	Tuesday Afternoon	Feb 2014	#242
Thank you, sir!	bravenak	Feb 2014	#228

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