History of Feminism

Buffalo Bull

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72. The truth is...Free speech is THE liberal principle

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:01 PM

Apr 2013

We liberals are the defenders of the rights and equality of all of America's out casts. The slurs the oppressors tell about about gays and women and blacks...are lies designed to make acceptable this negative view. Only truth, some time gritty presented that stole the slurs from the oppressors. There was a time, the 'n' word was used only by the oppressors until it was taken and shown to be impotent by the media and entertainment industries. Now you may start a fight with that word, but its meaning has changed.
Censorship requires you to lie, subtly perhaps but a lie is, what a lie is. That is why oppressive societies regard restricting free speech as primary. That censorship creates a silence that allows the oppressive slur to be taken as fact.
If your speech does not reflect your meaning , it is a lie. And by a measure you have weakened your side.

You mentioned homophobic slurs against log cabin. Clarify your point, is it that you dislike a word being used in a form that is politically 'unfair'?
Any homophobic slur that I might utter would be at the expense of Antonin Scalia and in support of the log cabins seeking equality, thus would be very difficult to condemn as homophobic.
Wouldn't it?

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When Men on the Left Refuse to See Their Sexism [View all] seabeyond Apr 2013 OP

IMO: The use of misogynistic terms is self-defeating. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #1

that is how i see it ITW. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #3

Well educated people should be able to express their ideas better. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #5

interesting op sigmasix Apr 2013 #2

no. i will not change the wording of an author to appease or comfort A FEW men. seabeyond Apr 2013 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author theKed Apr 2013 #27

no. i am not playing this stupid ass game. again... seabeyond Apr 2013 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author theKed Apr 2013 #30

first... this is the way OP after OP is created. title. then article in body seabeyond Apr 2013 #32

People do this all over DU, all day every day. MadrasT Apr 2013 #48

maybe i should put the link above. i thought it was suppose to be at the bottom. seabeyond Apr 2013 #50

Layers of games. MadrasT Apr 2013 #51

ya? and my first response was... right, tell me again why boys and men do EXACTLY the same seabeyond Apr 2013 #53

What game? MadrasT Apr 2013 #49

Ew. ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #60

Did not ask for that- why would you assume? sigmasix Apr 2013 #63

none of the words are mine. the whole thing from title to picture to all text is the author. seabeyond Apr 2013 #65

Anybody can interpret and infer anything any way they choose to. LanternWaste Apr 2013 #132

You are truly the only one who can determine if it applies to you. boston bean Apr 2013 #6

Are you being sarcastic? chervilant Apr 2013 #8

Reach out to the author of the article JustAnotherGen Apr 2013 #26

Apparently it's all just too hard to figure out. redqueen Apr 2013 #37

"Are doors sexist? " bah hahahahaha. good chuckle. now... seabeyond Apr 2013 #38

tsk tsk JustAnotherGen Apr 2013 #40

I believe she's talking about men as a class -- not every man on the planet. n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #57

Incorrect. The "When" limits it to only those who do so. If I say, "When people run marathons, Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2013 #84

ya... cause i am pretty sure not ALL people are runnin' that marathon. thanks. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #86

Yep. That particular "when" is "never" for most of us. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2013 #129

Good post, and informative link! chervilant Apr 2013 #7

Unbridled misandry running amuck is more like it. Soundman Apr 2013 #9

what does that have to do with the OP? oh wait, nothing. first. seabeyond Apr 2013 #10

I have read the op several times and still find no connection to the title. Soundman Apr 2013 #14

"there is a group of five or so members" wow. you sound like you have been here a LONG time. seabeyond Apr 2013 #15

You don't want to JustAnotherGen Apr 2013 #29

"Sister Hair Flip An Idiot" sufrommich Apr 2013 #106

you call us a bunch of misandrists, and refer to your partner as "the wife"--charming. doesn't niyad Apr 2013 #35

sister militant of the order of the sisters of perpetual outrage. lmao. needs to continue. seabeyond Apr 2013 #36

Check out my new sig line1 JustAnotherGen Apr 2013 #41

Nice. I gotta think of a good "sister" name. MadrasT Apr 2013 #42

yes, I believe it is niyad Apr 2013 #46

you guys are funny. k.... someone decide on for me and tell me how to do it. lol seabeyond Apr 2013 #43

hmmm, sister immaculata comes to mind--will give it more thought. niyad Apr 2013 #47

The mercuryblues Apr 2013 #52

Lol. I like your sister name,go for it! sufrommich Apr 2013 #107

LOVE your new sig line!! niyad Apr 2013 #45

Luminous Animal and I discussed BainsBane Apr 2013 #70

yes, you may leave your clothes on. it's the sisters of perpetual indulgence who are often niyad Apr 2013 #44

HA ! whathehell Apr 2013 #58

can't take credit for it--a poster referred to some of us as militant feminists the other day--had niyad Apr 2013 #59

Still... whathehell Apr 2013 #67

Have you seen Luminous Animal's new sign line? BainsBane Apr 2013 #71

Sounds good to me, LOL. whathehell Apr 2013 #93

You know I'm not sure BainsBane Apr 2013 #95

Are you saying that whathehell Apr 2013 #123

no BainsBane Apr 2013 #125

Okay. n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #130

Really? BainsBane Apr 2013 #69

It flew so far over your head that it didn't even ruffle the hair Scootaloo Apr 2013 #77

that was cute. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #79

:) BainsBane Apr 2013 #98

"Unbridled misandry" almost always means... MadrasT Apr 2013 #11

You're subject line strikes me as "unbridled bullshit run amuck", actually, whathehell Apr 2013 #55

Yea, right, attacking men who support women's rights is the ticket quinnox Apr 2013 #12

kinda ironic since it is an article addressing men attacking women thru sexism seabeyond Apr 2013 #13

He has been blocked. boston bean Apr 2013 #17

ya. i getcha. not like his position is not quite clear for all of us. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #18

Good....You're right...It's hardly a "safe haven" when they attack us for sport. n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #54

Funny isn't it? Soundman Apr 2013 #19

No you haven't. You have made yourself a focus. boston bean Apr 2013 #21

asking men who are suppose to be on the side of equality for women is devolving into the enemy? seabeyond Apr 2013 #22

Way to miss the point. (n/t) MadrasT Apr 2013 #23

What rights do you support? BainsBane Apr 2013 #83

Like members here criticizing Democratic politicians? BainsBane Apr 2013 #85

This knocked it out of the park MadrasT Apr 2013 #16

the whole article needed to be posted for our fellow duers. but ya... that should be highlighted seabeyond Apr 2013 #20

Thanks for posting this. redqueen Apr 2013 #24

There are actually people in this thread boston bean Apr 2013 #25

SOME, you gotta change it to SOME, right fuckin' now.... please, oh please.... seabeyond Apr 2013 #31

You can set your watch by it. redqueen Apr 2013 #39

Indeed... whathehell Apr 2013 #56

k and r--thank you for posting this, sea. most informative. niyad Apr 2013 #33

While "The Feminine Mystique" captured the interest Warpy Apr 2013 #34

I had a very long mercuryblues Apr 2013 #61

men... described only as professionally and acurately. woman... refered to as screaming. seabeyond Apr 2013 #62

in defense vulgar left males Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #64

when we start discussing the ease we use racism on du, then you may have a point. we seem to be seabeyond Apr 2013 #66

The truth is...Free speech is THE liberal principle Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #72

Do you really think the N word means something else now? BainsBane Apr 2013 #73

When white people try to use the in-group n-word they're shamed and ridiculed. redqueen Apr 2013 #75

Please consider your last paragraph Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #87

No, that is not my implication. redqueen Apr 2013 #89

I understand your point but.. Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #90

As soon as someone throws out the "PC" whine, they are off my list of people Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #111

honestly, i listen to a whole slew of this shit and i think, really. people are demanding the worst seabeyond Apr 2013 #116

The cheering is approved, ever present, and only getting louder. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #120

thank you for this post..... seabeyond Apr 2013 #121

the MLK quote at the bottom of your post...is perfect Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #118

the has been an evolution Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #78

I was raised to never use such language BainsBane Apr 2013 #80

not everyone was raised the same Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #88

which friend? BainsBane Apr 2013 #96

i see.... Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #99

I didn't say that BainsBane Apr 2013 #100

to close today with a point of agreement... Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #102

ya. racist, sexist, homophobic slurs have all evolved, no longer bothersome. this man meant nothin' seabeyond Apr 2013 #82

Do you call black people the n word boston bean Apr 2013 #74

Lets make this simple ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #76

excellent response BainsBane Apr 2013 #81

No not at all Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #91

"Political correctness" is RW spin. redqueen Apr 2013 #92

They have their own PC... Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #94

the term means sensitivity BainsBane Apr 2013 #97

ok one question. Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #101

you aren't "supposed" to take it any particular way, you take it any way you like. if you or your niyad Apr 2013 #103

... supposed to take it as humor...and we lol Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #108

What they do among themselves is their issue BainsBane Apr 2013 #105

I would never assume you are that familiar... Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #109

here's the thing BainsBane Apr 2013 #126

in the words of Ruth Marcus... Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #112

or a bully, sexist, misogynist. a racist. a homophobic. a white male with privilege not willing seabeyond Apr 2013 #117

Is Obama misogynist? Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #119

at a certain point of ignorance,.... just go away. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #122

indeed Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #124

he's been blocked. boston bean Apr 2013 #127

not to mention having HH brought back in thought, and the men playing with it, all the while seabeyond Apr 2013 #128

What, keep this simple? ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #104

you have recognized my point Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #110

Okey dokey ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Apr 2013 #114

yes it is strange..... Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #115

You handle these things beautifully BainsBane Apr 2013 #131

Exaggerated sense of victimhood much? nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #68