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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
22. I was addressing a different point.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:12 PM
Feb 2013

My interest was in figuring out the correct theory (to the extent we can), not in cataloguing all the misuses of science. The latter is quite a large topic.

The history of science makes clear that some theories receive attention and support beyond what the evidence would warrant, because they serve some other goal. A theory may jibe with a preconceived religious dogma (as in the Catholic Church’s embrace of geocentrism and consequent suppression of Galileo’s work). A theory may provide a justification for exploitation (as in pseudoscientific arguments about the innate inferiority of blacks, which were embraced by those defending slavery or, later, racially segregated schools). These sorry episodes represent the abuse of science. Scientific theories should be evaluated on the evidence, not accepted for other reasons.

Does such abuse go on today? Of course it does. I gave the example of an argument purportedly from evolutionary psychology being used to contend that no woman should ever be President. I expressed my disagreement. Yes, I could have said a great deal more about that aspect of the topic, but that would have made my post even more verbose, exacerbating redqueen’s displeasure.

More important is that the politicization of science isn’t relevant to my criticism of the OP. The issue is whether we need to stop using evolution as an explanation for gender differences. To the extent that the theory of evolution offers any valid explanation of human behavior as well as human physiology, that validity doesn’t vanish just because some people improperly seize on the vocabulary of evolution when they want to give a scientific veneer to their agenda.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, ismnotwasm! patrice Feb 2013 #1
Hey have one from me! ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #2
Thank you, very much! patrice Feb 2013 #3
K&R Tien1985 Feb 2013 #4
Heh ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #5
right there with you tein. we finally get the sexual freedom in the 70's and 80's and seabeyond Feb 2013 #8
Interesting read, thanks for posting it! Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #6
men have a naturally stronger sex drive than women. seabeyond Feb 2013 #7
The title is quite an unjustified leap. Jim Lane Feb 2013 #9
No, the headline is fine. It includes this condition: "... as an Explanation for Gender Differences" redqueen Feb 2013 #10
Even with regard to gender differences, it goes too far. Jim Lane Feb 2013 #11
first, the consistent problem i have repeatedly found is a guess is put out as fact and conditioning seabeyond Feb 2013 #12
The Evolutionary Psychology FAQ seabeyond Feb 2013 #13
^^THIS^^ longship Feb 2013 #29
Verbose ... redqueen Feb 2013 #14
You stopped just when it was getting interesting. Jim Lane Feb 2013 #21
Disagree. MadrasT Feb 2013 #15
Exellent point. nt redqueen Feb 2013 #16
"Well, we'll just call it evolution because nobody can prove it isn't." but they can. that is what seabeyond Feb 2013 #17
You're disagreeing with a straw man. Jim Lane Feb 2013 #19
no. i think what youa re ignoring is that there is a movement at hand to use this against women seabeyond Feb 2013 #20
I was addressing a different point. Jim Lane Feb 2013 #22
from the 80's on reading evo psych, it has shown that it is riddled with agenda. this is what seabeyond Feb 2013 #25
You wrote: MadrasT Feb 2013 #23
I thought I explained that in #19 Jim Lane Feb 2013 #24
when it is your gender being DENIED equal pay, jobs, rights, control, BECAUSE of a seabeyond Feb 2013 #26
"must be tested against the available data" redqueen Feb 2013 #28
So which traits do you believe are affected by evolution? ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #32
You might pose that question to the author of the article you linked. Jim Lane Feb 2013 #43
So your main problem is with the headline? ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #44
Schrodinder's Evo-Psych? ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #34
Oh that hunting thing again. ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #18
"AS THE ONLY EXPLANATION" makes it work. TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #37
Did 'forced equality' in the US result in EVEN WORSE ABUSES for freed slaves? redqueen Feb 2013 #38
In a good many ways yes. Look how long after the Civil war... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #39
No one is pretending anything. Reinforcing patriarchal crap with 'just so' stories is bullshit. redqueen Feb 2013 #40
And how many thousands of women will die, ARE DYING... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #41
Um... wtf? America enforces feminism? Where the fuck did you get that idea?! redqueen Feb 2013 #42
So its the American feminists fault sufrommich Feb 2013 #45
Trichromatic color vision is carried in the X chromosome Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #27
Yes, evolutionary biology is solid science. redqueen Feb 2013 #30
There is good science, and there is bad science... Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #33
There's is no argument about physical differences ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #31
Math is not a random skill. Well, maybe statistics is. Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #35
Heh! ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #36
Like so much junk science One_Life_To_Give Feb 2013 #46
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