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LanternWaste

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61. Is the corollary also true...?

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:17 PM

Nov 2012

"just because you ban something doesn't mean it stops to exist..."

All ethical considerations aside, is the corollary also true: Just because a thing exists is a reason to allow it?

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A question to those who support banning pornography because it objectifies women. [View all] Kurska Nov 2012 OP

i have never suggested a ban, nor have i heard anyone argue a ban. so, the purpose of your post seabeyond Nov 2012 #1

I never suggested that you personally believe pornography should be banned. Kurska Nov 2012 #2

What fun would it be if feminists weren't asked to speak for everyone BUT themselves? redqueen Nov 2012 #6

I never asked you to speak for anyone. Kurska Nov 2012 #8

No, a ban would not work, not for 'regular' porn. redqueen Nov 2012 #3

This. CrispyQ Nov 2012 #78

Hate speech is completely legal. Kurska Nov 2012 #79

You are correct, I was mistaken. CrispyQ Nov 2012 #81

bah hahaha. i want some seabeyond Nov 2012 #82

Sea, if you are in Colorado, you'd better call me! CrispyQ Nov 2012 #83

If this had been clear months ago . . . caseymoz Nov 2012 #84

It's been clear from the jump. redqueen Nov 2012 #85

we only say it in every damn post, for years only to have pro porn whine... you want to ban. seabeyond Nov 2012 #86

Umm, well it certainly sounded like you want to ban. caseymoz Jan 2013 #88

thru pm i want to be clear. casey is dead set against rape-as-pornography. he thought i was talking seabeyond Jan 2013 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Jan 2013 #92

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #87

What about gay male porn? madville Nov 2012 #4

No, it shouldn't. This is the history of feminism group. redqueen Nov 2012 #5

My bad, popped up on latest threads madville Nov 2012 #9

wink... gotcha. but already answered and not gonna delete. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #13

Wow. redqueen Nov 2012 #20

was nice, wasnt it. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #30

omg... not the gay male porn argument. always and true, never tired. geeezus. seabeyond Nov 2012 #12

Let me finish....................... jeggus Nov 2012 #7

wow. you are a hoot. seabeyond Nov 2012 #14

Can't help you. MadrasT Nov 2012 #10

What are the odds there is anyone on DU in the target demographic? redqueen Nov 2012 #18

None that I know of. MadrasT Nov 2012 #21

Why one reason? Kurska Nov 2012 #22

That was stipulated in the OP... redqueen Nov 2012 #24

Feel free to substitute that single word with anything Kurska Nov 2012 #25

The problem is your apparent belief that any black market could spring up redqueen Nov 2012 #29

very good post redqueen. for me, any thinking person that does not at the least PAUSE, fuckin PAUSE seabeyond Nov 2012 #32

That is the one argument ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #39

So you're not saying we shouldn't ban porn Kurska Nov 2012 #40

so, you really do not take seriously what you have been told on this thread, that the net already seabeyond Nov 2012 #43

I'd be happy to hear any rules or regulations you'd like to put in place. Kurska Nov 2012 #44

what rules and regulation can you possibly think of that will do anything to stop the forcing of seabeyond Nov 2012 #45

Isn't it already illegal to force someone to make porn? Kurska Nov 2012 #48

see. this is why i have no interest even the first moment you posted your OP, to have seabeyond Nov 2012 #50

I'm saying punish it to the fullest extent of the law. Kurska Nov 2012 #52

ok. here is my issue. it is nigh impossible to get these people. it is nigh impossible to enforce seabeyond Nov 2012 #54

As a society we need to try and enforce it when possible. Kurska Nov 2012 #55

ya. seabeyond Nov 2012 #57

the anti-porn legislation of 80s was civil, not criminal zazen Nov 2012 #11

Here is my problem with that. Kurska Nov 2012 #15

this is really not the forum for you if you are going to sugar coat and play cutsie with rape, ect.. seabeyond Nov 2012 #17

Rape is a terrible horrible crime and anyone who rapes anyone should go to jail for a very long time Kurska Nov 2012 #19

my point is, that you so casually and without a hell of a lot of consideration discuss rape as if seabeyond Nov 2012 #33

All I said is pornography shouldn't be illegal and that you shouldn't be able to sue people for Kurska Nov 2012 #37

and do you KNOW those rapes are fiction. cause i watched a rape for almost 7 minutes of a girl seabeyond Nov 2012 #46

My rape entertainment? I don't look at rape porn. Kurska Nov 2012 #49

what a fuckin ridiculous post. pretty well escalated my disgust level that much more. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #51

Help me understand what is disgusting you. Kurska Nov 2012 #53

if this was a rape, they do not know who the rapist are. they do not know who the victim is seabeyond Nov 2012 #56

ten minutes of your time. seabeyond Nov 2012 #58

I don't understand why this subject is so easy to dismiss... maybe this explains it... redqueen Nov 2012 #59

i got mad last night. lol. people do not let it sink in. even if the words are right there seabeyond Nov 2012 #60

I cruise porn occasionally ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #76

Yep, same here. redqueen Nov 2012 #77

I Read it and I'm disgusted. Kurska Nov 2012 #63

87% of the heterosexual porn is about demeaning, submissive. but, i am asking you to take yourself seabeyond Nov 2012 #64

I said I was disgusted. Kurska Nov 2012 #65

Orgasm is a reward mechanism in the brain. redqueen Nov 2012 #66

And research says that hate produces a high similar to cocaine. Kurska Nov 2012 #68

Do you think rape porn should be protected as free speech? nt redqueen Nov 2012 #69

It depends what you mean by that statement. Kurska Nov 2012 #70

We are talking about porn. redqueen Nov 2012 #72

Actually I said I wasn't sure. Kurska Nov 2012 #73

That's 1 maybe.... redqueen Nov 2012 #74

No Kurska Nov 2012 #75

Excellent commentary! CrispyQ Nov 2012 #67

I never accused anyone of hating freedom. n/t Kurska Nov 2012 #71

What is really sad is when the many issues get treated like a big joke.... redqueen Nov 2012 #80

Wow. Did that shoot go wrong! caseymoz Jan 2013 #89

It sounds unfortunately real. caseymoz Jan 2013 #90

"Innocence", my ass. n/t MadrasT Nov 2012 #23

yup. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #34

all of what you said. thank you. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #16

Jensen is the guy ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #27

an excellent article. one of the first i read that truly enlightened me on the innocence of porn. seabeyond Nov 2012 #35

That's what gets me about 'the two (or more) consenting adults' argument ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #38

i really am gonna get on seabeyond Nov 2012 #47

Can't be banned, not practically. ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #26

Very well spoken. Kurska Nov 2012 #28

'there is NO getting away from the pornification of women" redqueen Nov 2012 #31

How so? ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #36

Ah, ok, sorry... I thought that implied that it couldn't he changd.... redqueen Nov 2012 #41

Yup ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #42

Is the corollary also true...? LanternWaste Nov 2012 #61

. seabeyond Nov 2012 #62