2016 Postmortem

7wo7rees

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226. Honestly, incredibly sad post NC, just f'ing sad!

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:36 AM

Dec 2015

It's ok to get deferments for any reason on planet earth, and still be Commander in Chief, but be a CO and not qualified?

It is a WTF moment in time!

Are you kidding?

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Sanders' stance on Vietnam continues to disappoint [View all] NCTraveler Dec 2015 OP

As a Viet vet myself, I'm happy to support a candidate who won't send troops .... Scuba Dec 2015 #1

Please show where I reference my feelings.. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #5

You wrote "I authored a column ..." with no excerpt tags. If you excerpted that then you .... Scuba Dec 2015 #8

Seriously? Now that's funny. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #15

The well-funded GOP attack-machine would crush him with this ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #2

War monger Dick Cheney had five deferments. RDANGELO Dec 2015 #25

The well-funded GOP attack-machine did not attack him on it. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #31

Cheney had "other priorities," the shitstain. - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #176

This will hit home with many Vets. leftofcool Dec 2015 #65

It raises questions that may change voters' minds ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #72

Rather have a guy who stood against the war and didnt want others to have to go than randys1 Dec 2015 #108

Doesn't bother this vet. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #179

Right, cuz everybody want's war!! AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #213

That's an odd leap of logic. Whatever. Go with that. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #215

dissenters worked to end the war, bring troops home bigtree Dec 2015 #3

The hippie bashing op wasn't successful so now you're using the draft dodger smear? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #4

I punch no hippies and attack no draft dodgers. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #6

No you just post the articles and ask loaded questions. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #7

You now take issue.... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #11

And I've seen you rec threads with links to racist and anti-Semitic websites. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #12

You believe The Des Moines Register is... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #14

Nice attempt at deflection. Do you not remember rec'ing those threads? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #16

I'm not going to take part in your obvious attempt... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #17

Replying to you isn't "hijacking" the op just because you don't like what I'm asking. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #20

Facts are not right wing talking points. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #24

Fact: the author called Bernie a draft dodger in an op-ed beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #26

The fallout. Lol. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #30

Bernie called himself a draft dodger? Link? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #32

Big time fallout!!! Lol NCTraveler Dec 2015 #34

OMG. Bernie didn't run for President sooner R B Garr Dec 2015 #33

False claim/non sequitur/red herring/straw man beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #35

Ah, cartoon time. How typical. R B Garr Dec 2015 #37

It's your claim so it's your responsibility to prove it. Better get busy! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #39

Explain why Bernie sat out 11 national elections R B Garr Dec 2015 #42

Nice try, you made the claim, it's not my job to disprove it. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #43

You're the Bernie fan who was on the attack R B Garr Dec 2015 #55

The burden of proof is on the person who made the claim: beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #57

You attacked NCTraveler and you hid behind R B Garr Dec 2015 #58

So no proof of your claim then? Very well, just as I thought. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #60

So you admit that your attack was false R B Garr Dec 2015 #61

"the one who asserts has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim" beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #63

You attacked NCTraveler and you can't explain R B Garr Dec 2015 #64

Proof please: "Bernie didn't run for President sooner because of how the draft dodger status" beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #66

Explain why Bernie didn't challenge Clinton in 1992 R B Garr Dec 2015 #68

Proof please: "Bernie didn't run for President sooner because of how the draft dodger status" beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #70

Explain why Bernie didn't challenge Clinton in 1992 R B Garr Dec 2015 #71

Proof please: "Bernie didn't run for President sooner because of how the draft dodger status" beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #73

So you have no answer as to why you attacked NCTraveler R B Garr Dec 2015 #75

Bzzzt! That was your last chance. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #77

You can do it. Just explain why Bernie didn't challenge R B Garr Dec 2015 #78

Burden of proof is on you, but it's too late now. Thanks for playing. :) beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #81

Face it. This was over at your cartoon post way back. R B Garr Dec 2015 #87

No it was over when you made a claim you couldn't back up. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #89

My claim that you can't answer why Bernie didn't R B Garr Dec 2015 #95

Word salad-your claim:"Bernie didn't run for President sooner because of how the draft dodger status beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #98

Word salad yourself. You made a bogus claim R B Garr Dec 2015 #115

Wow. You really believe the right wing didn't smear Bill as a draft dodger? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #121

Laughable. You claimed that another poster was smearing R B Garr Dec 2015 #131

ARGLE BARGLE!!! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #132

Cartoons!! Personal insults! Weird noises! R B Garr Dec 2015 #136

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #206

2) is ad hominem treestar Dec 2015 #80

No it's not, she brought up questionable sources in post #11. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #83

Why did HILLARY sit out 2004, when she was NEEDED? John Poet Dec 2015 #225

Explain why there have been no female Presidents. R B Garr Dec 2015 #234

Maybe, like some of us, he believed What the Democratic candidates said during the campaigns. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #41

I agree. The Big Dog is great!!!! Nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #38

surprise, surprise TheSarcastinator Dec 2015 #148

Nice sarcastinating. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #149

going back to previous threads and keeping track of who recd what treestar Dec 2015 #76

Wrong, the op brought up sources first in post #11, that makes it relevant to the topic at hand: beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #79

Keeping enemy-lists, enemy-links, holding-grudges and doing deep searches, off-site strategizing ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #86

Agreed. It is rather mean to make it personal and treestar Dec 2015 #96

It indicates a position of weakness ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #129

Sure you do. Regular conservadem stuff from you. cali Dec 2015 #10

I'm pretty left for the party. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #13

When you wrote: guillaumeb Dec 2015 #92

I'd like to think that's true. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #94

Agreed. guillaumeb Dec 2015 #101

Don't forget the 'Liberals promise free stuff to buy votes' talking point. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #105

obvious because of the closer proximity on the ideological spectrum stupidicus Dec 2015 #137

Precisely. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #138

Maybe.... John Poet Dec 2015 #224

Some of them certainly are. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #232

I want a CIC who cares enough about our armed forces not to send Vattel Dec 2015 #9

That's my bottom line, right there. djean111 Dec 2015 #18

Everyone I knew was against the Vietnam War - BECAUSE OUR FRIENDS WERE BEING DRAFTED FOR A WAR in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #19

^^^ thank you, in_cog_ni_to ^^^ Hiraeth Dec 2015 #54

He got a college deferment, Sanders did also, Sanders got a marriage deferment, Clinton Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #178

Another poster calling him a draft dodger. Link to Bernie getting a "child deferment"? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #193

I don't think Sanders was ever really a conscientious objecter. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #21

Of course you would. n/t zalinda Dec 2015 #22

What a shock, so do Republicans when they call Bill Clinton the same thing. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #23

Quit hiding behind Bill Clinton to benefit Bernie. R B Garr Dec 2015 #118

What a bizarre post. Who would argue that Republicans don't call Bill a draft dodger? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #122

You said it was a smear on Clinton. R B Garr Dec 2015 #125

And it gets even more absurd. Buckle up, we're in bizarro world! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #126

Face it. This was over at your cartoon way back. R B Garr Dec 2015 #133

"Exilain (sic) why Bernie didn't challenge Clinton in 1992 and 1996"? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #135

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #207

Your argument- if one can call it that- here makes less than zero sense. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #194

Right? They claimed Bernie didn't run against Bill Clinton because of his "draft dodger status". beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #198

Maybe not making any sense is trendy in some circles. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #200

Well calling liberals draft dodgers seems to be in vogue again, maybe it's a retro thing? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #201

There was an article from an Iowa Vietnam Vet. R B Garr Dec 2015 #204

"Hmmm. Wonder why........" Why don't you enlighten us? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #208

Tell you why an Iowa Vietnam Vet wrote an article R B Garr Dec 2015 #209

So you made it all up? Good to know, at least you're admitting it. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #210

You posted about 500 times in these threads. R B Garr Dec 2015 #211

More logic fail! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #212

Ah on to cartoons I see. R B Garr Dec 2015 #214

I think you should just admit what it is about Sanders that is bothering you. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #219

My bets would be that this is about getting posts R B Garr Dec 2015 #220

Yeah, well, any time we get the old gang together Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #223

Nope, still not making sense. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #218

take a wrong turn somewhere? G_j Dec 2015 #36

The cognitive dissonance is powerful in this one. earthside Dec 2015 #46

Stupid post: comparing us to TeaPartiers redstateblues Dec 2015 #228

Purity has nothing to do with it. earthside Dec 2015 #233

Cool story. n/t bvf Dec 2015 #48

Whenever I hear someone say "draft dodger" this is the image that pops into my mind: beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #50

Ni-i-ice... n/t bvf Dec 2015 #59

Grave dancer. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #109

Oh lookie! I have another stalker! MohRokTah Dec 2015 #113

"stalker" is a term self-pitying people use on discussion boards, grave dancer. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #114

More stalker talk from my stalker!!! MohRokTah Dec 2015 #116

says the guy who grave dances. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #117

And the stalking stalker stalks. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #120

just like Hillary's husband eh stupidicus Dec 2015 #139

Better to object to war than have the blood of innocents on your hands. nt RedCappedBandit Dec 2015 #199

Every day a new smear attempt. Some days more than one. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #27

I am sorry for your loss. - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #175

Yep-Because VN Is THE fredamae Dec 2015 #28

Do you feel the same way about bill Clinton ? JI7 Dec 2015 #29

I wonder why the op won't answer your questions. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #40

A truly scurillous OP, a true profile in utter KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #186

Yes it was, but it backfired on her. The greatest page shows the backlash was swift and fierce. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #190

Vietnam was a useless and immoral War. wilsonbooks Dec 2015 #44

So he can't be president because he isn't a warmonger? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #45

Aging, do you not realize there is something in between conscientious objector and... Nitram Dec 2015 #67

The Supreme Court may not recognize selective conscientious objection... Orsino Dec 2015 #130

I'm not talking about the Supreme Court. Nitram Dec 2015 #156

There are nuances to almost anything. Orsino Dec 2015 #158

Has Bernie ever clarified his particular brand of conscientious objection during... Nitram Dec 2015 #159

His statement in the story linked above is specific. Orsino Dec 2015 #161

Clearly Bernie objected to service in the Vietnam War. Nitram Dec 2015 #171

Interesting OP. Koinos Dec 2015 #47

yet another reason to support Bernie! Hillary is hawk, no thanks, we don't need to rush to war. bowens43 Dec 2015 #49

Fundamentally wrong premise of the article. earthside Dec 2015 #51

As a Millenials , I want a commander in chief that will not create more Vets simple Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #52

Just playing devil's advocate, it could be argued that because Viet Nam was not a declared war, that still_one Dec 2015 #53

horn tooting goodness. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #56

The war in Nam was an immoral piece of shit nolabels Dec 2015 #62

I buried two friends in Arlington Cemetary Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #97

I'm a VN era vet. dgibby Dec 2015 #150

I broke my arm really bad as a teenager and stayed at Walter Reed Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #151

After three years in the Army they medically retired me nolabels Dec 2015 #217

I am so sorry for your loss - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #187

It's a fair question to ask. ShrimpPoboy Dec 2015 #69

The right would of course make something of it treestar Dec 2015 #74

Fortunately we don't need the far right to win an election. kenfrequed Dec 2015 #84

The main reason I like Bernie is that I think he is far less likely to send to troops to war. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #82

He should have tried unsuccessfully to join the marines, like Hillary did Doctor_J Dec 2015 #85

Yep, he was honest and didn't make up a story like she did. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #91

I admire your tenacity senz Dec 2015 #104

Thank you, senz! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #112

Good to know senz Dec 2015 #123

Yeah that does come in handy. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #124

What your parents don't teach you, senz Dec 2015 #127

Can you believe that people are still calling liberals draft dodgers? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #128

Tax&spend, hippies, free stuff, freeloaders, commie/socialists, and now ... senz Dec 2015 #140

And the 90's! Remember how they tried to smear Bill Clinton using the same talking points? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #144

You're awesome! ybbor Dec 2015 #164

Aw, thank you! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #165

Then I'll keep posting ybbor Dec 2015 #167

hahaha!! 840high Dec 2015 #230

Desperate again, NCTraveler? Bernie was NOT a "draft dodger." What happened: senz Dec 2015 #88

I had no problem supporting Bill Clinton over the same issue in 1992 Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2015 #90

One of the reasons I support Bernie Bjornsdotter Dec 2015 #93

Vietnam was a glaring example of murdering people on both sides of the pond. daybranch Dec 2015 #99

Good to hear from someone who was there. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #100

The author is a female Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #106

I meant the right winger who wrote the op-ed. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #107

Beautifully stated, daybranch. So much truth in what you wrote. senz Dec 2015 #110

Your post brought tears to my eyes for the raw pathos and honesty of its KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #188

The 1950's called. They want their scare tactics and buzzcuts back. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #102

I am a Vietnam ERA vet... catnhatnh Dec 2015 #103

I don't see how amnesty undercuts the validity of taking refuge in Canada. Nitram Dec 2015 #160

Yeah-I follow your point.... catnhatnh Dec 2015 #172

Well I registered for the draft on my 18th birthday in 1970. Nitram Dec 2015 #216

Truly despicable and desperate. Good luck washing away that slime you have covered yourself in... AzDar Dec 2015 #111

Total agreement. senz Dec 2015 #141

FTW ! - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #189

Like many young American men, Bernie knew the war was bullshit. jalan48 Dec 2015 #119

who's disappointed - warmongers and their supporters? stupidicus Dec 2015 #134

We had warhawks a pleanty in the the Bush Admin who never went to war. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #142

Not sure if you were around during the Vietnam War but I was and democrank Dec 2015 #143

being a concientious mgmaggiemg Dec 2015 #145

so just to be clear TheSarcastinator Dec 2015 #146

Well, LWolf Dec 2015 #147

and the results are in! yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #152

Snopes documents Slick Willie's YEARS of deception/manipulation to dodge the draft. Divernan Dec 2015 #153

you might want to sit down for this, but most people consider Vietnam a bad move MisterP Dec 2015 #154

Hey! What division did you serve in during Vietnam, NCTraveler???? Romulox Dec 2015 #155

I have no problem with what Bernie did. Nor with what Bill did. But I suspect some people will. onenote Dec 2015 #157

Kick for those claiming they can't find this thread cali Dec 2015 #162

And the excerpt from the op-ed accusing Bernie of draft dodging beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #163

And another kick for the evening crowd beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #168

Second that kick and thanks for your help earlier! - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #185

You're welcome! They are alerting on posts that link to threads so I didn't want to risk it. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #192

Turns out I already had the OP on Ignore, which explains KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #195

Ah, that explains it. You are a wise person. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #196

K&R! stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #166

As a Vietnam combat vet I have no trouble with supporting Sanders. 4bucksagallon Dec 2015 #169

Being opposed to fighting stupid, destructive wars is a feature, not a bug. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #170

Ah the irony, I remember the attacks on Bill Clinton's avoidance of service. John Kerry said this at Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #173

More words from John Kerry for the OP to digest: Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #174

Thanks for the reminder, Blue, although I doubt the op will read them. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #191

Always happy to offer the information, the OP can't bear the facts and will never Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #221

I think many are missing this: "What say DU. Campaign issue or not? Positive or negative?" ucrdem Dec 2015 #177

Any Clinton supporter posting this without mention of Bill and what he faced is either ill informed Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #180

Okay but the question is how it will play in Iowa. ucrdem Dec 2015 #181

No, the question is as John Kerry asked it: Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #182

A quote from Pat Buchanan at the '92 GOP convention regarding Bill Clinton: Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #183

I look at it this way Depaysement Dec 2015 #184

What a bunch of crap. RedCappedBandit Dec 2015 #197

As if you were going to vote for him anyway. djean111 Dec 2015 #202

Oh come on, the op just wants to discuss the issue. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #203

On the cusp of Gen Y and Millennials Tien1985 Dec 2015 #205

I encourage Team Clinton to run on a pro-Vietnam war platform. frylock Dec 2015 #222

LMFAO!!!! John Poet Dec 2015 #227

Honestly, incredibly sad post NC, just f'ing sad! 7wo7rees Dec 2015 #226

My primary vote goes to HRC but this shouldn't matter underthematrix Dec 2015 #229

Yeah my millennial daughters don't care about Vietnam in the slightest that war was long over Kalidurga Dec 2015 #231

Are people okay with…. ImaPolitico Feb 2016 #235