2016 Postmortem

Javaman

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69. he's fighting against a system that is supposed to suppport him but has come out to be obviously

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:09 PM

Dec 2015

against him.

If I were Sanders I would do the same thing.

If he doesn't do this, he would effectively be trying to campaign with both hands tied behind his back.

and for your "this won't wing him any additional support" he has raised an additional 1 million virtually over night and has gone up 4 additional points in New Hampshire.

if this "isn't helping him" we Bernie supports can use more of it.

the DNC violated a contract and chose to put personal preference before the party (they are supposed to be neutral and help all Democratic contenders), they need to be re-centered and taught to play fair.

that is what this is all about.

And by Bernie not backing down and rolling over is exactly what I want in a President. He takes shit from no one.

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So, in summary . . . [View all] Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 OP

excellent recap of the sitch so far. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #1

Weaver looked like he was in over his head. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #2

Will be into both incidents. .... daleanime Dec 2015 #5

Typical republican approach; attack others for what you did? Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #16

Typical baloney merrily Dec 2015 #21

that is literally what Sanders supporters are doing. It's the bully-approach KittyWampus Dec 2015 #106

Um, no. That's a classic Clinton supporter move. And your post is a perfect example. merrily Dec 2015 #109

You are correct. Just look at Schultz's reaction -- she backed down immediately. That Cal33 Dec 2015 #189

I think this is more about Hillary's supporters. merrily Dec 2015 #190

U don't know what your talking about. bjobotts Dec 2015 #139

Go to the server's web site for the truth.DWS lied bjobotts Dec 2015 #140

Sanders is as honest as the day is long and Clinton has been know for a decade for her rhett o rick Dec 2015 #142

Rhett, you can repeat the Bernana homesty meme as many times as you like, but... Nitram Dec 2015 #152

And you don't know the facts. My money is on dirty tricks by the DWS/Clinton team. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #161

I'm interested in neither your money nor your speculation. Nitram Dec 2015 #164

The corp-media has come out in favor of HRC. Why would I expect them to be honest? nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #165

Only when it supports Berrnie, I know. nt Nitram Dec 2015 #166

Big corporations love HRC including the media companies. The People love Sanders. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #171

Ah, "the People". Nitram Dec 2015 #172

I think you will find that even if he doesn't have ALL the People on his side right now Proserpina Dec 2015 #174

You really do have a dark view of your fellow Democrats. Nitram Dec 2015 #180

I won't tell you what you sound like Proserpina Dec 2015 #181

Ok, now that's just creepy. Nitram Dec 2015 #183

My Mom died last year, btw. Nitram Dec 2015 #184

Yep and the Oligarchy better beware. Goldman-Sachs money cant buy everyone. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #178

You've got that backwards. The people are fortunate to have Bernie on their side. cui bono Dec 2015 #194

So maybe Debs should have gotten federal cyber crimes involved JackInGreen Dec 2015 #146

""perpetrator" of the incident the one taking it to court?" pangaia Dec 2015 #44

Sanders campaign obviously knows NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #73

I have a theory too. Chef Eric Dec 2015 #116

If NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #117

I agree that Sanders has a better chance in the GE. Chef Eric Dec 2015 #124

Then let's get busy. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #137

MC, you're just plain wrong because... Nitram Dec 2015 #153

My theory: The truth will wire or rewire the Superdelegates in the right connections. DhhD Dec 2015 #156

Fantasy thinking..."over his head"...surely you meant DWS at present. If it happened libdem4life Dec 2015 #27

His main claim to fame before becoming Sanders' Campaign Manager was.... George II Dec 2015 #56

Oh Noes!!!! Phlem Dec 2015 #63

So now we denigrate small business owners??? catnhatnh Dec 2015 #76

Who is denigrating him? George II Dec 2015 #79

So the Gif on your post catnhatnh Dec 2015 #83

I'd cower behind implication too LanternWaste Dec 2015 #151

Denigrate small business owners? Not exactly. Nitram Dec 2015 #154

Harry Truman was a small (and failed) business owner Proserpina Dec 2015 #176

The political process was a great deal less complicated in Truman's day. Nitram Dec 2015 #177

Pathetic Proserpina Dec 2015 #179

BTW, Proserpina, you shouldn't have eaten those pomegranate seeds. Nitram Dec 2015 #186

You're going there!! tobefree Dec 2015 #80

He's done that since he's retired BuelahWitch Dec 2015 #115

Oh, nevermind. cui bono Dec 2015 #128

Correction - his comic book store is in Virginia, not Vermont. Sorry. George II Dec 2015 #129

I love Stuart! roody Dec 2015 #144

Comic book stores are often very successful small businesses. Also, millenials tblue37 Dec 2015 #192

Vocabulary assistance Android3.14 Dec 2015 #59

Exactly. Their appearce is just that. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #91

Co-President Hillary helped pick the White House staffers, right? catnhatnh Dec 2015 #75

Don't kid yourself. madfloridian Dec 2015 #85

Hmmm, so the guy who's in "over his head"... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #87

The DNC had or should have had a contract with its vendor that specified that the vendor had JDPriestly Dec 2015 #89

They weren't given it, they had to look. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #107

Do you have proof that the two databases were completely separate at that time? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #125

Exactly why they sued. tazkcmo Dec 2015 #131

There is also the fact that Sanders suffered a loss for many reasons because of the JDPriestly Dec 2015 #135

You guys go on and on about poor Bernie's "loss". Nitram Dec 2015 #168

What "malfeasance" are you talking about? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #173

This. Nitram Dec 2015 #175

That article is poorly researched. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #187

Are you suggesting that NGP Van has no reason to cover up or huge the facts? Nitram Dec 2015 #191

Please don't read this post JackInGreen Dec 2015 #147

Great summary Paka Dec 2015 #114

Good summary. eom PosterChild Dec 2015 #102

LOL. A Clinton staffer wrote the program and has full unfettered access to the database! nt mhatrw Dec 2015 #127

Unfortunately, with lawyers involved, it's unlikely to transpire before iowa. Jarqui Dec 2015 #3

agree, which is why a completely independent audit is necessary. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #4

While they're at it in the computer department, Jarqui Dec 2015 #12

it is a disaster in the wings restorefreedom Dec 2015 #49

I hope your right, merrily. Nitram Dec 2015 #185

which campaign are you thinking is desperate? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #188

Given how closely related the vendor is to the Clintons and little Debbie, merrily Dec 2015 #23

yeah i worry about that too restorefreedom Dec 2015 #48

An active cover-up would be disastrous for Hillary AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #148

and the impeachment of bill clinton, as ridiculous as it was, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #158

The only reason DWS caved is Qutzupalotl Dec 2015 #6

The fact that she didn't have a legal leg to stand on Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #13

And yet, Debbie STILL has a paycheck Proserpina Dec 2015 #19

Understandable as that would Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #26

Well, then, you are far more "understanding" than I am Proserpina Dec 2015 #29

+1 davidpdx Dec 2015 #159

Sadly I agree Scootaloo Dec 2015 #92

Wasserman Schultz Reportedly Wanted to Paint Obama as ‘Anti-Woman,’ ‘Anti-Semitic’ If Ousted FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #31

so? Proserpina Dec 2015 #33

SO?? FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #41

That's incredible but good to know. appalachiablue Dec 2015 #99

So far, the ONLY wrongdoing that has been proven is the theft ecstatic Dec 2015 #7

+1 Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #10

A full independent audit will either support this or prove something else. artislife Dec 2015 #11

Nice. Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #14

Great Post!!! LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #20

Seriously....all this drama when the white house is at risk of going ecstatic Dec 2015 #15

I am a registered Democrat and I plan to caucus. artislife Dec 2015 #28

Don't you want to vote for the best candidate? ybbor Dec 2015 #37

Nobody is perfect. Any of the three would be light years better ecstatic Dec 2015 #51

Is that Fear no.5 I smell? reddread Dec 2015 #53

I find it interesting that Bernie supporters want a full audit and HRC supporters want to move on. winter is coming Dec 2015 #54

It really doesn't. Pragmatic dems look at the landscape and what's at stake ecstatic Dec 2015 #60

This saga isn't creating more division than already existed, it merely exposes what observant winter is coming Dec 2015 #67

The whole truth and nothing but the whole madokie Dec 2015 #123

Very well said, madam. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #145

Yoda is never wrong- riversedge Dec 2015 #34

riversedge, I've never watched "Star Wars". saidsimplesimon Dec 2015 #68

Wrong. Debbie clearly violated the contract with Sanders by seizing his info and not releasing it merrily Dec 2015 #38

Illegal activity or wrongdoing is a bar to a breach R B Garr Dec 2015 #86

+10 !! (NT) PosterChild Dec 2015 #104

Sorry, no. We also know the DNC violated their contract with the Sanders campaign. jeff47 Dec 2015 #40

Yes. and the accusation of trying to sink Bernie is so silly treestar Dec 2015 #45

You don't know that. Easy solution. More debates. Why not? Only ego. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #52

HRC's numbers increase after every debate ecstatic Dec 2015 #62

Are you folks deliberately trying not to get it? highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #97

A fair playing field? Hum... PosterChild Dec 2015 #108

Then good kenfrequed Dec 2015 #110

Exactly. Why it's so hard to see that this would be in everyone's interest is beyond me. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #133

Bernie would be saying the same things treestar Dec 2015 #94

Are you folks deliberately trying not to get it? highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #98

You're exaggerating the huge difference it would make treestar Dec 2015 #100

More debates and at better times would be more fair. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #101

It helps all Democratic candidates kenfrequed Dec 2015 #157

Principles, did you ever consider the posibility that in completely good faith, Nitram Dec 2015 #182

So the DNC and DWS breaching the contract with the Sanders campaign on proper notice Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #50

I'm not worried about what will be discovered either ecstatic Dec 2015 #55

Sanders taking the DNC head-on is rather appealing to those of us who aren't partisan honks. frylock Dec 2015 #61

I'm partisan. Guilty as charged. ecstatic Dec 2015 #64

+1 Phlem Dec 2015 #121

he's fighting against a system that is supposed to suppport him but has come out to be obviously Javaman Dec 2015 #69

This is not a "let's burn everything down" attitude. Chef Eric Dec 2015 #138

So Much Bullshit so early in the day. Phlem Dec 2015 #66

Exactly workinclasszero Dec 2015 #84

1+ riversedge Dec 2015 #88

IF you are loking for Party Unity, bvar22 Dec 2015 #96

Exactly right. eom PosterChild Dec 2015 #103

'Scuze me? DWS is the one who invited the press. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #112

I don't think it matters anymore. Phlem Dec 2015 #118

You are absolutely 100% correct. Number23 Dec 2015 #141

The OP reads more like some kid interpreting a poem than an actual summary of facts. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #8

Pretty much. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #9

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #17

Thanks for the post. jalan48 Dec 2015 #18

One has to wonder, as well, why the Oppo Research Dept. is silent Proserpina Dec 2015 #22

Only future generations will have the luxury of looking at this through a microscope. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #24

How long will it take for an independent auditor to go through the records? shireen Dec 2015 #25

Time magazine seemed to take hours only. nt artislife Dec 2015 #30

Am I the only one who thinks this makes all Dems look bad? ShrimpPoboy Dec 2015 #32

Yes. The difference is, Bernie was not involved in the activities of his staffers. DWS and Hillary merrily Dec 2015 #39

Blame Debbie for that. She could have responded to this in any number of ways Nyan Dec 2015 #74

Yes, it makes Dems look bad, and the only way to get beyond it is to find out exactly what's winter is coming Dec 2015 #77

I doubt you are the only one. catnhatnh Dec 2015 #81

Yep, dpatbrown Dec 2015 #35

well, that's talking over the heads of the opposition, ain't it? stupidicus Dec 2015 #36

How about we use Occam's Razor? Arkana Dec 2015 #42

We know another thing for sure... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #90

Occam would also hasten to point out that the guy who poked around in the DNC negligence... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #113

+1 Paka Dec 2015 #119

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #43

Sadly, both sides are spending money on lawyers CanonRay Dec 2015 #46

CanonRay, so true, see comment above.. saidsimplesimon Dec 2015 #70

thank you so much for that clear synopsis. rurallib Dec 2015 #47

There is the 2008 "data leakage" of Sen Obama's data to Sen Clintons campaign that LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #57

This lawyer (me) agrees with you. It will be historical. Divernan Dec 2015 #58

DWS's days are numbered. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #65

Concise. +1 nt LWolf Dec 2015 #71

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #72

We have the Force riversedge Dec 2015 #78

DNC gets no money or support from me until DWS resigns... vi5 Dec 2015 #82

She should resign NOW or be FIRED!!! cascadiance Dec 2015 #134

Sorry, she only answers to the 1%. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #169

Interesting. rosesaylavee Dec 2015 #93

K & R AzDar Dec 2015 #95

Bernie's staffers STOLE DATA. Of course they were blocked temporarily, to stop them KittyWampus Dec 2015 #105

If Bernie is so guilty then why doesn't Hillary just expose them Phlem Dec 2015 #120

Link to that theft please. cui bono Dec 2015 #130

here Nitram Dec 2015 #167

Don't see it there. Can you quote where it says there was theft? cui bono Dec 2015 #193

I'm so old... Fumesucker Dec 2015 #149

K&R Paka Dec 2015 #111

:) Phlem Dec 2015 #122

R! (doesn't need any kicks) Babel_17 Dec 2015 #126

Maybe with this…. zentrum Dec 2015 #132

Soooooo glad Democratic Party is putting all its chips in the Clinton basket... good government whereisjustice Dec 2015 #136

That is how I see it. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #143

Bernie Sanders Apologizes to Hillary Clinton for Stealing Voter Data. stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #150

What we are witnessing here is the last attempts of a dieing campaign trying to remain relevant. upaloopa Dec 2015 #155

That's for sure. Hillary's campaign has admitted, after the debate 'we could lose this' in their sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #163

history won't likely remember the political deflections (like this one) bigtree Dec 2015 #160

DWS has surely met her match in Sanders. She should have listened when he warned people not to sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #162

DWS and HRC are driving a big wedge between the Progressive and Conservative Wings rhett o rick Dec 2015 #170