2016 Postmortem

Gmak

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109. But, I think, it is this very suppression that is bringing out the fight in we lefties.

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 06:19 PM

Dec 2015

We tend to be contrarians, I know, and seeing the Democratic party machinery become just another tool for the oligarchy sure makes me see red. I really cannot understand however, how any political organization can believe that Hillary Clinton can win a general election in this country, when she has to get a good percentage of Independent votes, as Dems make up only 32% of the voting population and her candidacy will cause some of THOSE to stay home. A lot of people in my area left the Dems. because of the Clintons. I am speaking from personal experience. In the hinterlands of the Midwest where I live, the spectacle that played out in the media with the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, was very traumatic for a lot of folks here, who are socially conservative, and turned them away from politics also the Dem party. I should mention that I voted the 1st time in national elections in 1960.

I went out door-to-door today with a fellow who is a Bernie delegate from our district in Illinois, getting signatures to get Bernie on the ballot here and we targeted townhomes of senior citizens who mostly vote Republican, as I had learned in Iowa that you mention Hillary's name and that Bernie is running against her and even tho they know very little about him or what he stands for, they sign very readily, stating that they will sign anything that keeps her from being elected. They are also scared of Trump, and worried about new wars he will get us into.

We have to face the fact that a large portion of our party is as corrupt as the Repubicans and Bernie has a huge or should I say 'yuuge' advantage in that he has run all his other campaigns as an Independent. The 75 million millenials will help us clear out the rotting debris that is clogging the system, I believe, as they know their future is bleak indeed otherwise. If this post gets me in trouble with the site, so be it, I will be in excellent company!

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Not healthy for a Party to embrace only one candidate. No room for us there now. [View all] madfloridian Dec 2015 OP

I agree, mad, but I think we need to be looking at all three candidates, at least. MH1 Dec 2015 #1

Of course all 3 candidates...goes without saying. madfloridian Dec 2015 #2

Of course! :) MH1 Dec 2015 #4

I agree -- except on one point Armstead Dec 2015 #3

True - you got that right! I was referring to 98% of the 2% allotted to discussing Dems. nt. MH1 Dec 2015 #5

Pathetic, isn't it? madfloridian Dec 2015 #6

Very. But they are two separate issues - MH1 Dec 2015 #11

But they're related nxylas Dec 2015 #38

It's unbelievable that debate date was allowed to stand. madfloridian Dec 2015 #42

OP says "no room for us" SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #67

Yeah. Funny how the "liberal media" does that and the GOP still whines mountain grammy Dec 2015 #8

Hardly what your specific point, Grammy (and I agree!), Hortensis Dec 2015 #159

I only hope the GOP will collapse in my lifetime. mountain grammy Dec 2015 #165

Oh, me, too! Whether collapse or Hortensis Dec 2015 #166

DWS Should Either Resign Or Be Fired Immediately For.... global1 Dec 2015 #7

Who could fire DWS? rurallib Dec 2015 #14

Obama has to fire her. in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #32

Thanks - that's what I thought rurallib Dec 2015 #35

+1 daleanime Dec 2015 #40

And he won't. madfloridian Dec 2015 #85

No he won't. in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #101

Traditionally party chairpeople serve at the pleasure of the president when the president totodeinhere Dec 2015 #120

Here's the petition cannabis_flower Dec 2015 #147

The DNC chair does not really get "fired." DFW Dec 2015 #150

Excellent observation, DFW. Raine1967 Dec 2015 #158

DWS - You're Fired! Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #28

"The basic purpose of political parties is to nominate Hortensis Dec 2015 #89

Good post! You said it better than I could. PBass Dec 2015 #118

So "outside" he's not even a Democrat. I'm glad we ARE the true Hortensis Dec 2015 #122

Bernie Is The Real Democrat Yallow Dec 2015 #132

Real Democrats don't allow their people to steal from a victim ... Tortmaster Dec 2015 #143

How about election theft? Fuddnik Dec 2015 #144

Tortmaster, let's be fair. Hortensis Dec 2015 #160

I'm sure that Senator Sanders didn't know the ... Tortmaster Dec 2015 #162

Nonsense, Yallow. BTW, the far right specializes in Hortensis Dec 2015 #155

It's a rigged system Armstead Dec 2015 #154

In a rational world, yes. nt SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #29

If she is not fired and is permitted MissDeeds Dec 2015 #124

Many Hillary supporters don't want a progressive Democratic Party. stillwaiting Dec 2015 #9

Well said. tecelote Dec 2015 #10

Sadly, Some HRC Supporters Appear To Want To Live Under The Autocratic Rule Of cantbeserious Dec 2015 #19

Maybe the same economic policies as Obama sorechasm Dec 2015 #43

That Sad Fact Only Reinforces The Tragic Outcome Awaiting All With A HRC Presidency cantbeserious Dec 2015 #45

Happy with crumbs Jackilope Dec 2015 #46

All Too True - Victims Willing To Accept Table Scraps - Instead Of Warriors Battling The 1% cantbeserious Dec 2015 #48

Want to know where the "Reagan Democrats" went? bvar22 Dec 2015 #90

Roger That On All Accounts And Particulars cantbeserious Dec 2015 #91

..... madfloridian Dec 2015 #92

And I suspect that those who are happy with it zeemike Dec 2015 #21

They really shouldn't worry. Even when truly progressive principles are in place there is still stillwaiting Dec 2015 #22

12/hr is plenty! Min wage workers are just too damn greedy! nt delrem Dec 2015 #49

Aiming low before negotiations start is the hallmark of spineless democrats. sorechasm Dec 2015 #107

It isn't spinelessness. It's their heart and soul. delrem Dec 2015 #137

In the previous debate, sammythecat Dec 2015 #138

Good lord! The greedy working poor? This is stupid. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #125

Well, it isn't MY idea! I'm not the damn candidate in question! delrem Dec 2015 #136

That sums it up. Plucketeer Dec 2015 #30

I noticed that also. We both know that by the time this 12 dollar hour wage is implimented... BlueJazz Dec 2015 #71

Yeah, her proposal probably Plucketeer Dec 2015 #77

And She Makes $100,000 An Hour Yallow Dec 2015 #133

And she thinks she's "dead broke" jfern Dec 2015 #140

No, She "Was" Dead Broke Yallow Dec 2015 #151

I'll bet it wasn't the sort of "broke" I remember Plucketeer Dec 2015 #153

An excellent synopsis! n/t gregcrawford Dec 2015 #50

yep. Many of them benefit from the status quo or haven't been harmed by it (yet). nt antigop Dec 2015 #73

Very good post. madfloridian Dec 2015 #88

wish i could rec this post. i have an add, tho... nashville_brook Dec 2015 #95

good points - nt Locrian Dec 2015 #110

Third Way would rather have Republicans in office Zorra Dec 2015 #164

The DNC DLC Third Way Establishment Is Apoplectic About A Bernie Presidency - The Panic Is Theirs cantbeserious Dec 2015 #12

She was referring specifically to the data breach issue. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #13

I'm sorry, but the use of the word was a serious thing. madfloridian Dec 2015 #15

If its just bluster she's got not a thing to worry about JackInGreen Dec 2015 #17

Good point. madfloridian Dec 2015 #26

Huh Dem2 Dec 2015 #20

which I suppose is why they backed down and restored his access to his data magical thyme Dec 2015 #23

People like Debbie FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #16

The Democratic Party has turned it's head away from a chance to grow stronger..... daleanime Dec 2015 #18

I FEAR For America... As Jimmy Carter Has Already Said ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #24

^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Dec 2015 #25

FOR SURE & SO TRUE! n/t ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #27

There are three candidates, not one, and they're all (for now) on the ballots for the primaries..... George II Dec 2015 #31

You can't spin away the use of the word "bluster" in any context. madfloridian Dec 2015 #34

I saw her statement, using the word "bluster" was extremely benign considering.... George II Dec 2015 #44

I am sorry, but we will never agree. madfloridian Dec 2015 #51

That makes two of us, madfloridian. Duval Dec 2015 #63

.... Phlem Dec 2015 #127

DWS Exposed This Issue to the Press First. It Should Have Been an Internal Matter. Justina For Justice Dec 2015 #139

That's after DWS went straight to the media to damage Bernie's reputation... madfloridian Dec 2015 #163

........ daleanime Dec 2015 #41

Frankly-There hasn't Been Room fredamae Dec 2015 #33

You are right. madfloridian Dec 2015 #100

You brought up an issue I want to ask a question about. jwirr Dec 2015 #121

Center Right Dems Turned fredamae Dec 2015 #152

Thank you. And yes, it does sound familiar. THIS time we jwirr Dec 2015 #161

Debbie WS stands for Gumboot Dec 2015 #36

"Debbie Does Wall Street" is probably more apt for a corporate whore. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #128

Some delicate flower alerted on this. Jury results went 1-6. Electric Monk Dec 2015 #129

I figured it would be. Hillary folk love what DWS is doing. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #130

Here's more context about the word bluster, which was insulting to Bernie. No excuses for it. madfloridian Dec 2015 #37

No repeat of '08. They spent decades building HRC up, only to see her lose from below. Not again leveymg Dec 2015 #39

They won't have to pay me and my husband to volunteer. Duval Dec 2015 #69

But, I think, it is this very suppression that is bringing out the fight in we lefties. Gmak Dec 2015 #109

Democracy is the opportunity to hear all speak. oldandhappy Dec 2015 #47

As a Bernie supporter, I feel the Democratic Party doesn't want me CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #52

^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Dec 2015 #58

How sad to feel unwanted treestar Dec 2015 #60

What's sad is the Democratic party is not democratic anymore. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #65

I don't get that much hatred for another Democrat treestar Dec 2015 #66

You keep putting words in my mouth so I consider this CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #70

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #53

Cull not, lest you be culled. Downwinder Dec 2015 #54

..... madfloridian Dec 2015 #59

Kick !! FloriTexan Dec 2015 #55

Very good point. madfloridian Dec 2015 #108

And many of us left the party because of corruption... polichick Dec 2015 #56

Soviet, PRC style elections - preying on the sentiment of free choice, while rigging the outcome whereisjustice Dec 2015 #57

K and R. isn't she supposed to...at minimum... *pretend* to be impartial? Smarmie Doofus Dec 2015 #61

A Florida Swamp. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #145

K N R Faux pas Dec 2015 #62

Excellent analysis angrychair Dec 2015 #64

Thank you. madfloridian Dec 2015 #78

The most important vote is the Democratic primary because all of the Republicans are idiots. TryLogic Dec 2015 #79

It's the one behind the curtains.. madfloridian Dec 2015 #103

I think to DWS, HRC, the DNC, and DLC we are viewed as threatening as the GOP. nt Snotcicles Dec 2015 #68

K&R from another lifetime member. Duval Dec 2015 #72

.... madfloridian Dec 2015 #76

there hasn't been room for us for some time. nt antigop Dec 2015 #74

Yes, I know. madfloridian Dec 2015 #75

You're more even handed than me. Where you say "unhealthy" I say "fucking intolerable". n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #80

Thinking the same madfloridian Dec 2015 #94

As the Texas Democratic Party slid into obscurity, Downwinder Dec 2015 #81

That sounds just about like our Florida party leaders. madfloridian Dec 2015 #83

A Democratic candidate has not won an election Downwinder Dec 2015 #86

Dems in the Florida legislature are rare indeed. madfloridian Dec 2015 #87

but if you don't disenchant your voters, who else can you blame when you lose? MisterP Dec 2015 #84

speaking of the Texas Democratic Party...check this out... antigop Dec 2015 #96

I don't know. Downwinder Dec 2015 #104

the point was the bumper stickers were printed up some time ago. antigop Dec 2015 #105

Point noted and considered. Downwinder Dec 2015 #106

note the use of "bluster"--they STILL think it's a remake of Dean or Edwards, just another MisterP Dec 2015 #82

Freedom only for the members of the government, only for the members of the Party - Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #93

The Democratic Party establishment has made it clear that Maedhros Dec 2015 #97

they do want our financial contributions. nt antigop Dec 2015 #98

so, mad, whatcha gonna do about it? Hmmm? nt antigop Dec 2015 #99

bye-bye dlwickham Dec 2015 #102

Then...beat her Tarc Dec 2015 #111

Wasserman's not Clinton. She's supposed to be IMPARTIAL. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2015 #114

If Sanders wants all the benefits of the Democratic Party... Tarc Dec 2015 #116

If Sanders is not considered a Democrat, then neither am I. madfloridian Dec 2015 #117

The party does so at its' own peril. If Bernie isn't the nominee, I likely will have to silvershadow Dec 2015 #112

Problem with that is.... we ALL suffer the consequences. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2015 #115

Just the reality of it. Those who weren't active politically may suddenly find themselves in a silvershadow Dec 2015 #135

Kick and R BeanMusical Dec 2015 #113

I know it Xmas - but fuck you Debbie. 840high Dec 2015 #119

if it is a primary against a sitting president loyalsister Dec 2015 #123

Interesting insight, loyalsister. senz Dec 2015 #131

I think mayor 1% made that obvious years ago tech3149 Dec 2015 #126

the swooner mentality is in full force Skittles Dec 2015 #134

The public apology and equally publc acceptance thereof may have been part of the settlement. merrily Dec 2015 #141

K&R from another Bernie supporter who is a life-long Democrat. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #142

Thank you for the thoughtful piece as always emsimon33 Dec 2015 #146

Is '' Bluster'' code for ''Socialist Rhetoric''? Octafish Dec 2015 #148

...... madfloridian Dec 2015 #156

I realize we're in a post-fact era... uberblonde Dec 2015 #149

"post-fact era"? madfloridian Dec 2015 #157