2016 Postmortem

Divernan

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73. Massive repressed anger against her father and husband.

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:52 AM

Dec 2015

According to snippets from both HRC's and WJC's books, her father was psychologically and physically abusive. Even one of HRC's strongest supporters discussed this in DU's Hillary Clinton group. http://www.democraticunderground.com/110713163

The brusque son of an English immigrant and a coal miner’s daughter in Scranton, Pa., Mr. Rodham, for most of his life, harbored prejudices against blacks, Catholics and anyone else not like him. He hurled biting sarcasm at his wife and only daughter and spanked, at times excessively, his three children to keep them in line, according to interviews with friends and a review of documents, Mrs. Clinton’s writings and former President Bill Clinton’s memoir."
http://t.co/LxfS5ft51H via NYTimes

Well, she was a kid and was stuck with her family. But come adulthood, she chose her partner.

The first time one's spouse cheats, it's a shame-on-the-cheater situation. One can choose to forgive and to try to save the marriage. But the second time? 3rd? 4th? and so on. Even when the adulterer is so reckless that the affairs get international publicity? It then becomes shame on the person who enables the serial adulterer by not only staying in the marriage, but by blaming the adulterer's partners. And not just blaming the women, but setting up & directing the Bimbo Eruption Squad to intimidate, threaten and otherwise shut them up.

Trading self respect for power & political positioning is not what one might call a "free trade" deal. There is a heavy psychological price to be paid for choosing to stay with a spouse who repeatedly and publicly betrays and humiliates you. That anger gets projected onto others in quite out-of-proportion ways. Witness HRC's admitted need for revenge, and the Clintons' enemies list. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/hillary-clinton-hit-list-102067
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/17/politics/diane-blair-hillary-clinton-documents/index.html

It's a tragedy - the 2 men in her life whom she should have been able to trust to protect and cherish her, failed to do so. I feel sorry for her, but not enough to vote for her.

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The clip of Hillary laughing with a Repug about bombing Iran deserves its own thread. [View all] reformist2 Dec 2015 OP

Hillarious. Just like merrily Dec 2015 #1

. CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #4

Same here n/t MissDeeds Dec 2015 #33

Me too. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #212

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #38

Fear works, yes it does. zeemike Dec 2015 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #175

And the facts are we should be afraid zeemike Dec 2015 #185

Doesn't Matter What I Do billhicks76 Dec 2015 #193

I don't agree. The ones who won't vote for Clinton are the alienated and non-affiliated voters- eridani Dec 2015 #220

So Wrong billhicks76 Dec 2015 #222

True--but Democrats tend to be strategic voters eridani Dec 2015 #223

Nope billhicks76 Dec 2015 #229

oh phuck CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #232

You know what? Some things ARE more important than SCOTUS appointments. reformist2 Dec 2015 #47

Reply 38 says SOTU, not SCOTUS. Maybe IHatetheGOP knows something we don't? merrily Dec 2015 #63

No, I think it shows the posters genuine lack of knowlege and ignorance notadmblnd Dec 2015 #99

I actually did misread it. You can believe me - or not. reformist2 Dec 2015 #105

Oops. I misread this whole mini-thread... Sorry! I need to go back to bed. :) reformist2 Dec 2015 #109

That's a clever sig line! Proserpina Dec 2015 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #91

NOt if you are a Woman who will die in a back alley or a Gay man who will be randys1 Dec 2015 #176

There are fewer functional differences than you care to admit. I think a Bush SC looks a lot like a Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #49

What does "stacked State of the Union" mean? merrily Dec 2015 #58

Ha! YOU are the winner for today!!! 7962 Dec 2015 #74

Thanks, but maybe the poster knows something we don't? merrily Dec 2015 #80

Before your post, I couldnt figure out what it stood for 7962 Dec 2015 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #173

SOTU vs SCOTUS is an error, not a typo. Making sure what you meant before replying should not be a merrily Dec 2015 #226

The SC was MORE conservative after Obama's appointments. bvar22 Dec 2015 #262

Yip. If they want to keep using the SCOTUS as a shibboleth, they'd merrily Dec 2015 #263

. Loudestlib Dec 2015 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #84

One votes for a Democrat in the Democratic primary. That is the next election, not the general merrily Dec 2015 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #174

Polls are the only evidence of that and Sanders has been doing as well or better in head to merrily Dec 2015 #225

No. She will lose Ohio, North Carolina, Florida and Colorado. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #266

Would you? Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #113

For some there comes a point in their life, where there is no fear. Autumn Dec 2015 #136

and let me guess Autumn CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #151

The last time I went hunting was 25 years ago. The last time I brought out Autumn Dec 2015 #154

Age, and a few of the right friends, has done that for me. bvar22 Dec 2015 #158

That was where I got lucky Autumn Dec 2015 #162

Confession: bvar22 Dec 2015 #241

If I ever encountered a rattlesnake I would be afraid, but nothing on two legs Autumn Dec 2015 #242

I know how to write CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #146

Careful, CAV. Don't advocate NOT voting for the Democratic nominee BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #203

I refused to vote for Bush #1 CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #231

oh we have a nominee already? CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #233

Read the excerpt that I've provided in my post. Reread it if you need to. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #239

Give it a break woud you? CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #240

During the 2008 elections, the "Loyalty Oath" people were marching all over DU, bvar22 Dec 2015 #244

This has nothing to do with any "loyalty oath". This is about violations of the ToS as stipulated BY BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #258

Yeah. bvar22 Dec 2015 #265

You're mistaken and/or confused. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #267

Yadda, yadda, yadda... bvar22 Dec 2015 #271

Ugh. I'm done conversing with you. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #273

And THAT is a good thing. bvar22 Dec 2015 #274

You might want to remind MaggieD about that too. Kentonio Dec 2015 #253

No one's stopping you, Kentonio. eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #259

HRC is not a democrat Perogie Dec 2015 #256

Yes, actually she is a Democrat. eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #260

1. We don't have a nominee, yet. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #268

1. That's a "popular misconception", as Skinner points out in his clarification - the clarification BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #272

Trying To Blackmail Us Is A Losing Strategy billhicks76 Dec 2015 #191

Why is it OUR fault that... CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #210

Neither will I. 840high Dec 2015 #155

I soured on the Clinton wing of the DP nyabingi Dec 2015 #57

The clips in the OP and in my Reply 1 would make a great campaign ad, but I doubt Sanders will do it merrily Dec 2015 #60

You're right. He refuses to take her to task for some reason 7962 Dec 2015 #79

You're right, but Hillary nyabingi Dec 2015 #250

She doesn't need to do much. That is the work of PACs and campaign surrogates. merrily Dec 2015 #251

Totally. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #188

And IF she was in the WH, how would she get stuff through? Duckfan Dec 2015 #198

Exactly nyabingi Dec 2015 #249

Hillary Clinton's Foreign Policy: Wrong, Not Strong. eom Fawke Em Dec 2015 #270

She doesnt sound like a war monger at all! liberalnarb Dec 2015 #195

I've heard warmongers on TV speak about war. I've not heard them laugh like that. merrily Dec 2015 #224

She voted for the war in Iraq to buff up her national security credentials KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #235

Kah-reeeeeeeepy. K and R n/t Smarmie Doofus Dec 2015 #2

Just yuck. nc4bo Dec 2015 #3

Her callous and obnoxious behavior sometimes blows my mind. stillwaiting Dec 2015 #9

Can you imagine what she is like behind closed doors? CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #211

I have long suspected Enthusiast Dec 2015 #213

She's BFF with the likes of Kissinger: KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #236

Love it. Thanks for sharing. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #5

War mongers should be voted out of office not in. tecelote Dec 2015 #8

What does she think should happen with other countries who object to being polly7 Dec 2015 #14

Yes. Especially when our motives seem to be oil and war profits. tecelote Dec 2015 #25

Or... instate a DRAFT without deferment for *privileged* folks Cosmic Kitten Dec 2015 #42

THIS. nt navarth Dec 2015 #81

Yes. tecelote Dec 2015 #98

Loww numbers should be designed for the priveleged, and the high numbers (extremely high) for the ESKD Dec 2015 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #40

Absolutely. tecelote Dec 2015 #44

Using San Bernadino to reply to a post about war mongering seems cynical and disgusting. merrily Dec 2015 #67

This is how we should be talking especially after San Bernardino Kalidurga Dec 2015 #76

And that, right there, is why so much of the left has a schizophrenic relationship with Marr Dec 2015 #123

She is partly responsible for the current state of terrorism everywhere. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #189

That HRC statement is so f***ed up I can't believe it left lowrider Dec 2015 #204

Wow. n/t Wilms Dec 2015 #11

Rah rah rah, Go team artislife Dec 2015 #13

That's a great analogy. Wilms Dec 2015 #51

The mask is off now! Cosmic Kitten Dec 2015 #17

+1! tecelote Dec 2015 #45

This, right up ^^^^ there. libdem4life Dec 2015 #97

You Nailed It.... KoKo Dec 2015 #114

Beyond Rational Got it Dec 2015 #18

Welcome to the Democratic Underground Got it CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #20

Thank you, CountAllVotes! n/t Got it Dec 2015 #29

That is one gutsy debut. Welcome to DU. If you ever feel lonely, please come sit by me. merrily Dec 2015 #70

I think you articulated that very well notadmblnd Dec 2015 #75

You sound far more capable of articulating a position than you give yourself credit for :) karynnj Dec 2015 #128

Welcome to DU arikara Dec 2015 #183

She can work hard on puting on a new face Marty McGraw Dec 2015 #200

McCain was absolutely HATED here when he laughed at the same suggestion polly7 Dec 2015 #21

Principles, morals and ethics versus only heaven knows what all. merrily Dec 2015 #72

gender? nt navarth Dec 2015 #90

I Remember- Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iraaaaaaan notadmblnd Dec 2015 #87

Every day there are numerous examples on this site demonstrating how far right the Party has veered, Broward Dec 2015 #150

K&R nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #6

She's awful. (nt) bigwillq Dec 2015 #7

She really is. m-lekktor Dec 2015 #10

Fine with me.... FarPoint Dec 2015 #12

This is following her lead of artislife Dec 2015 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #100

Sanders would not do those things, either and has a much better chance in the general merrily Dec 2015 #104

So if she wins will this turn into Neocon Underground cpwm17 Dec 2015 #16

If she wins, DU will be abandoned by all but the 10 supporters she has here? Cosmic Kitten Dec 2015 #22

and making fun of the "regressive left" cpwm17 Dec 2015 #26

Yep! The interweb is a HUGE place. Cosmic Kitten Dec 2015 #27

Well, we'll miss you Tarc Dec 2015 #43

You don't understand social media, do you Cosmic Kitten Dec 2015 #48

They would get bored without someone to ridicule. They'd soon tire of patting each rhett o rick Dec 2015 #208

Oh, is that that part where # of tweets determines elections? Tarc Dec 2015 #248

The chances of DU becoming a ghost town because your candidate lost Godhumor Dec 2015 #28

I know ;/ habits are stubbor things...stockholm syndrome and all Cosmic Kitten Dec 2015 #39

Yes, this site needs to show that it is part of the solution dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #148

I just love the "I'm taking my marbles and going home" posts. leftofcool Dec 2015 #68

Maybe, maybe not. Obama was not anywhere near as disliked and neither was Kerry. And... merrily Dec 2015 #85

Wow! I hadn't seen that poll. tecelote Dec 2015 #106

Back in April, that poll was a real eye opener for many of DU's far, uber, radical left, LOL! merrily Dec 2015 #107

Would be suprised Marty McGraw Dec 2015 #197

No, a very large percentage of her supporters will claim they are disappointed jeff47 Dec 2015 #135

Plain-assed sick CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #19

Mental health issues? Cosmic Kitten Dec 2015 #23

Massive repressed anger against her father and husband. Divernan Dec 2015 #73

A jury allowed your shitty armchair psychology to remain. Congrats. Metric System Dec 2015 #137

I have a psych degree and held a 3 year NIMH fellowship Divernan Dec 2015 #142

Then you should know you shouldn't be trying to diagnosis someone you've never treated, nor use Metric System Dec 2015 #147

There is nothing diagnostic in that post. TM99 Dec 2015 #152

Thank you for your comment. Divernan Dec 2015 #164

You are welcome. TM99 Dec 2015 #170

Very insightful Thanks for sharing. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #214

+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #237

A jury allowed your shitty commentary to remain. Congrats. Metric System Dec 2015 #86

I assumed she was just scarred for life after running from sniper fire in Bosnia. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #115

Yeah, that was one rough go wasn't it? CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #159

+1000 MissDeeds Dec 2015 #32

Laughing over the idea of nuking a POTENTIAL threat. Not the leadership I can support. Scuba Dec 2015 #24

'We came, we saw, he died' is a neocon warhawk corporatist. These clips should become ads peacebird Dec 2015 #31

They may Old Codger Dec 2015 #82

By then, it will be too late for Democrats to have done the smart thing in the primary. merrily Dec 2015 #92

All we can do Old Codger Dec 2015 #96

Yes. Instead of breaking up the "old boys club", she joined it and became one of them! reformist2 Dec 2015 #35

Arrogant and obnoxious newfie11 Dec 2015 #30

A sadist and a war monger. RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #34

He died, she came, we saw reddread Dec 2015 #36

omfg! fantastic. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #53

!! merrily Dec 2015 #93

"hopefully we won't get to that," she says madokie Dec 2015 #37

This is low even for Hillary. Hepburn Dec 2015 #41

shes never fit in as one of the 'good old boys' Sunlei Dec 2015 #50

Much as she tried. merrily Dec 2015 #101

She deserves to be treated as an equal, all woman do. Its the good old boys fault, not Mrs. Clintons Sunlei Dec 2015 #111

Equal to what? Other necons? I don't believe for a second she was "snookered." No evidence merrily Dec 2015 #118

They all laugh & smile in the desensitised crowds, politicans, police, doctors, prison guards, ect.. Sunlei Dec 2015 #125

I don't put a lot of stock in either of the Clintons attempting to have it both ways. merrily Dec 2015 #127

If a female wants to be equal... Hepburn Dec 2015 #122

She wants to be in Government, she has to be with the group, majority happen to be males. Sunlei Dec 2015 #126

So if the majority of any group are males, that is a reason to strive to be one of the group? Hepburn Dec 2015 #139

I don't think most people & her 'co-workers' can place her gender aside. She can. Sunlei Dec 2015 #157

If she can put her gender aside zalinda Dec 2015 #215

Kennedy, Capuano, Feingold and lots of other strong Democratic males voted against the IWR. merrily Dec 2015 #228

If she was snookered by Bush Cheney arikara Dec 2015 #186

LOL! bvar22 Dec 2015 #163

Saw it. So what? Laser102 Dec 2015 #52

I thought it was a bit disturbing, as did others. But you of course are welcome to your opinion. reformist2 Dec 2015 #56

I didn't think anything of it. She was relaxed and chatty. So what? This is it? Laser102 Dec 2015 #180

Hillary's defining morality on public display. 99Forever Dec 2015 #54

How about this one? Indepatriot Dec 2015 #55

Horrible. You just don't talk about engaging in nuclear war. You just don't. reformist2 Dec 2015 #61

"Obliterate Them"...she says. KoKo Dec 2015 #120

Whats silly is that the only nuclear power in the middle east is in fact Israel....nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #219

and she was Sec of State at the time, too. MBS Dec 2015 #59

Agree completely -- and not only was she secretary of State, but fully intended to be President karynnj Dec 2015 #145

^^^^ YES! ^^^^ MBS Dec 2015 #182

Gender Neutral Killing zone that doesn't discrimate Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #62

They don't discriminate, but dispaprotionally civilians are killed in war, not soldiers Victor_c3 Dec 2015 #69

I have seen this clip many times previously FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #64

Seeing this now is important: Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #66

Ouch 7962 Dec 2015 #71

It's just impossible for me to like someone like that Jarqui Dec 2015 #77

Again, cognitive dissonance is not working here, too many times over and over and over. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #78

She was probably a decent person for a long time Doctor_J Dec 2015 #88

Good post navarth Dec 2015 #103

I think the founders had a different model in mind Doctor_J Dec 2015 #112

Agree on all points, my good Doctor navarth Dec 2015 #129

Yes. In a way, Hillary is kind of a tragic figure. She let ambition take over her soul. reformist2 Dec 2015 #166

She started as supporting Nixon, Goldwater and Rockefeller and heading a college Republican group. merrily Dec 2015 #110

+1 Hepburn Dec 2015 #124

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #89

Hillarious!! Victor_c3 Dec 2015 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #102

The world has been made more dangerous by warmongers and those who equate war with their own merrily Dec 2015 #108

Oh, thank goodness a tough-talking grown up is here to patronize us! Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #116

I'm glad I don't constantly live in fear. It must suck. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #119

EEK! Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #134

Guess what I hate the GOP -- this kind of language by a future President is unlikely to be helpful karynnj Dec 2015 #140

The world is much more dangerous because of folks like HRC (nt) bigwillq Dec 2015 #167

That was very creepy. Just what I'd expect from her though. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #117

i can't even tell what made her laugh treestar Dec 2015 #121

What the hell is so funny? Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #132

Giddy with power, perhaps? reformist2 Dec 2015 #133

Reince Priebus, is this you? JohnnyRingo Dec 2015 #138

"All options are on the table" R B Garr Dec 2015 #141

So she said, amidst many bursts of inappropriate laughter. reformist2 Dec 2015 #143

Most of her response was derisive towards Baker's R B Garr Dec 2015 #149

the taking of life and waging war restorefreedom Dec 2015 #144

Now, now... Be pragmatic demwing Dec 2015 #153

Every time I listen to her or watch her, I feel like I need KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #238

I had never seen this before. Truly disturbing. azmom Dec 2015 #156

Hey, it was HILARIOUS when we slaughtered tens of thousands of Iraqis, right? Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #160

Don't forget Cluster Bomb Grandma Hillary! Divernan Dec 2015 #168

How does she live inside her skin? bvar22 Dec 2015 #161

She counts her money and laughs at the rest of us. bigwillq Dec 2015 #165

She has no problems living with herself because she is without morals or principles. Her totodeinhere Dec 2015 #205

Belly laughs about war with a PNAC neocon. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #169

After hearing Baker yap, that pregnant pause, I'd be laughing too. TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #171

DU's Combustible Hair Club ... JoePhilly Dec 2015 #178

wow...she is bad, bad, bad. SoapBox Dec 2015 #172

she just doesn't sing the Beach Boys or say "drill here, drill now" on open mic at NATIONAL events MisterP Dec 2015 #177

I don't think anyone can question my support for Bernie kristopher Dec 2015 #179

thank you Rose Siding Dec 2015 #206

kick and remember! Proserpina Dec 2015 #184

That is the most DISGUSTING war-mongering self-aggrandizement yet... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #187

Revolting billhicks76 Dec 2015 #190

Wow, Im surprised... liberalnarb Dec 2015 #192

When was this? liberalnarb Dec 2015 #194

Horrible. AzDar Dec 2015 #196

That's so creepy! BeanMusical Dec 2015 #199

K & R !!!! Thespian2 Dec 2015 #201

You KNOW there will be some Super PAC out there that will take this footage and use it to demoralize AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #202

It won't be the SuperPACs "demoralizing" people from voting for Hillary. bvar22 Dec 2015 #264

Tough to watch, but might get some Republican votes. EndElectoral Dec 2015 #207

I think the cynicism is running a bit thick regarding this video. I don't see it the way some do. chowder66 Dec 2015 #209

I'll give you that one zalinda Dec 2015 #217

Haven't had time. I'll try to look at them this week. chowder66 Dec 2015 #246

And her gleeful laughter at the killing of Gaddafi? merrily Dec 2015 #230

I haven't seen it and if I get around to it I'll respond. nt chowder66 Dec 2015 #243

The video is in Reply 1 of this thread. It's quite brief. merrily Dec 2015 #245

I watched it chowder66 Dec 2015 #247

Come on folks, give her a break... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #216

There will not be a war with Iran bluestateguy Dec 2015 #218

Which has nothing to do with laughing at the prospect. merrily Dec 2015 #227

Laughing about the demise of Osama bin Ladin? Priceless. You really think THAT is a sign.... Hekate Dec 2015 #221

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #234

Hahahaahahahah thousands of dead civilians hahahahaha EdwardBernays Dec 2015 #252

Kick in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #254

What a sick person she is. Daniel537 Dec 2015 #255

Ouch . . . the commercials will write themselves for the general if she's the nominee. Vinca Dec 2015 #257

Yep sickening UglyGreed Dec 2015 #261

First time I saw this... I am at a loss for words. demmiblue Dec 2015 #269