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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: novenator at 'Kos- Sanders: the most electable candidate that will build a STRONGER Democratic Party [View all]Gothmog
(144,919 posts)56. Sanders own campaign manger doubts that Sanders will be the nominee
Sanders is running to push his issues. Even Sanders campaign manager admitted that Sanders' main goal is to be considered to be a "serious" candidate. I keep reading articles hoping to see some signs of viability for the Sanders campaign in the general election. Here is a thread that is a good example. See http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251667157 if you read the last three paragraphs of the article cited in that thread, Sanders campaign manager does not outline a path to the nomination but a path to be a "serious" candidate.
If all goes according to plan, Sanders will have won enough delegates by mid-March to be a serious contender for the nomination. That would signal a shift for Sanders; it would be time to court the establishment. Then we have to offer fundamental assurances to party leaders who say hes a socialist. Hes been in the Congress 25 years and his program is not to replace the current system with socialism, its to revive the middle class.
Sanderss outsider campaign has been likened to Jesse Jacksons insurgent campaign in 1988it wasnt until the Wisconsin primary in April that Michael Dukakis defeated Jackson. But Devine thinks the more apt analogy to todays politics is 1984 when the combination of Gary Harts insurgency and Jacksons coalition of minority voters together almost beat Walter Mondale. Jackson never received support from the institutional party, but he demanded respect. If we register, as Jesse Jackson did, millions of people, that would be a huge lift for the party in Senate races. And for whichever Democrat reaches the magic number of delegates next year to secure the nomination.
The idea that Sanders is good for the Democratic Party is a hard lesson for Clinton to appreciate in the heat of battle. But hes got voters fired up and ready to go, and Democrats need that energy.
Sanderss outsider campaign has been likened to Jesse Jacksons insurgent campaign in 1988it wasnt until the Wisconsin primary in April that Michael Dukakis defeated Jackson. But Devine thinks the more apt analogy to todays politics is 1984 when the combination of Gary Harts insurgency and Jacksons coalition of minority voters together almost beat Walter Mondale. Jackson never received support from the institutional party, but he demanded respect. If we register, as Jesse Jackson did, millions of people, that would be a huge lift for the party in Senate races. And for whichever Democrat reaches the magic number of delegates next year to secure the nomination.
The idea that Sanders is good for the Democratic Party is a hard lesson for Clinton to appreciate in the heat of battle. But hes got voters fired up and ready to go, and Democrats need that energy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/12/bernie-sanders-s-strategist-this-is-how-we-win.html
The apparent goal of this campaign is not for Sanders to be the nominee but to be considered a serious candidate who might almost beat Hillary Clinton.
This article is silent on what Sanders intend to do in a general election contest in that it appears that Sanders campaign manager does not expect that Sanders will be the nominee.
Again, Sanders needs to come up with a good explanation as to how he is viable in a general election if he wants to expand the base. I keep looking for a good explanation and I have yet to see anything close.
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novenator at 'Kos- Sanders: the most electable candidate that will build a STRONGER Democratic Party [View all]
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
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Yeah, I've been saying this all along. I think Bernie is much more electable than Clinton.
PatrickforO
Nov 2015
#1
62% of elibible voters have been waiting for Bernie, but the Dem Party bosses want them ignored.
Scuba
Nov 2015
#3
My flawed memory. In 2014 the actual turnout was 36.3% leaving 63.7% waiting for a candidate.
Scuba
Nov 2015
#19
Hmm. Apathy is the biggest enemy - when people do not feel like they can make
PatrickforO
Nov 2015
#24
Your supporsition is that millions of former non-voters are ready to rise up and vote for Sanders...
brooklynite
Nov 2015
#40
Devotion to Bernie? No. Devotion to the truth and traditional Democratic Party ideals? Yes.
Scuba
Nov 2015
#63
Pfft. Right. I have yet to see any evidence of it. Didn't think traditional Dem Party ideals
BlueCaliDem
Nov 2015
#66
It would be hard for you to see evidence of anything with those blinders on. Amazing, Hillary
litlbilly
Nov 2015
#72
Besides gun policy, which of Hillary's policies do you think are better than Bernie's?
JDPriestly
Nov 2015
#83
Unless a gun manufacturer produces a defective product that causes harm or in some other way
JDPriestly
Nov 2015
#102
You didn't read the Slate article, did you? You'd otherwise know that because of the PLCAA
BlueCaliDem
Nov 2015
#103
If the company "lost" guns, and one of the guns it "lost" was used to massacre people,
JDPriestly
Nov 2015
#104
Numbers supporting Sanders over the 1% like the Clinton's, Clinton Supporters, Bush, Trump:
DhhD
Nov 2015
#96
The voter turnout in this elction cycle will be a hell of a lot bigger than the midterms.
Duckfan
Nov 2015
#73
I will be participating in the DNC primary, though Bernis may be polling highest with Independents
Thinkingabout
Nov 2015
#6
Maggie D, if you have bought the slag and feel that socialist is a bad thing
roguevalley
Nov 2015
#31
Similar to other 'great minds' characterizing Barack Obama as a socialist:
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2015
#89
Exactly! Bernie brings us together, rather than deepening the divisiveness and hate.
99th_Monkey
Nov 2015
#9
None of us are voting for Bernie not because he talks about "socialistic" ideas...
Duckfan
Nov 2015
#78
Also, if the General is Sen Sanders vs. one of the idiots, there will be moderate Republicans that
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#95
Yes, in other states there will be a need to increase the populaton quickly to offset the votes.
Thinkingabout
Nov 2015
#51
"Borrack is clearly unelectable in the GE"- moobu2, Mon Mar-24-08 08:27 AM
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2015
#90
This story is far from over. I'm not moved by the slew of celebrities. A few
libdem4life
Nov 2015
#97
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
cantbeserious
Nov 2015
#69
K&R. And Bernie has not been bought by big contributors. That's a big plus also.
JDPriestly
Nov 2015
#82