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Dr. King and the White Progressive [View all] bravenak Nov 2015 OP

Did you or author misspell moderate as progressive? MLK didn't mention progressives in your excerpt JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #1

Nope!! bravenak Nov 2015 #2

Are you sure? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #177

Yah, I'm going with the latter. AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #191

He talked about white moderate Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #46

clearly the OP did do that jkbRN Nov 2015 #99

Well done. You should elaborate. Bonobo Nov 2015 #158

Excellent read. I would like to say something about the general points made in the article. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #3

Thank you. I really mean that. bravenak Nov 2015 #4

+1 MaggieD Nov 2015 #8

+ 1000. Truth, MaggieD. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #67

Indeed, and how about that Martin guy... randys1 Nov 2015 #86

"Keeps it real"? she is not who she pretends to be. kath Nov 2015 #124

Very unfortunate PM, but it doesn't negate the fact that bravenak is keeping it real BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #130

I blindly trusted in Bernie. bravenak Nov 2015 #137

Well, I blindly trusted John Edwards in 2007. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #174

Doesn't matter to me who she supports MaggieD Nov 2015 #134

I swear I need to photograph my ballot just to calm people upset nerves. bravenak Nov 2015 #139

Anyone who "loves" or idolizes a politican.... MaggieD Nov 2015 #143

Seriously. bravenak Nov 2015 #144

True! mcar Nov 2015 #83

Agree 100% n/t MeNMyVolt Nov 2015 #9

Standing near the back of the crowd MineralMan Nov 2015 #5

Thank you MM, you are awesomesauce! bravenak Nov 2015 #6

+1 leftofcool Nov 2015 #35

I was generally in the back also. It was the blacks protest. Us white people were LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #106

It's too bad all of that was before cell phones and a camera in MineralMan Nov 2015 #107

I think that if it wasn't for lot of the brave white preachers and college kids that LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #121

Yes. MineralMan Nov 2015 #122

An honor to know you...You are displaying the brilliance and decency I know all of us white randys1 Nov 2015 #116

My 1st thought of netroots was gwheezie Nov 2015 #7

He would be in the back, as usual. bravenak Nov 2015 #10

You don't seem to respect very much the young activists at UChicago who fought for civil rights JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #11

I respect the black folks who were the civil rights movement. bravenak Nov 2015 #15

Well if you don't show the allies any respect i don't know what to say. Sad. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #22

Thanking them is respecting them. No pedastals. bravenak Nov 2015 #24

Your statement in post 15 stands in stark contrast. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #31

Whatever. Maybe you take things out of context? bravenak Nov 2015 #34

I didn't. Just calling out inconsistencies as i see them. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #42

. bravenak Nov 2015 #43

Part of being an ally is understanding that it is not about you. wildeyed Nov 2015 #77

Perhaps, but it is still telling that bravenak is openly disrespectful. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #84

Where did she show disrespect? Be specific please randys1 Nov 2015 #88

See post 10 JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #101

So Bernie deserves parity with randys1 Nov 2015 #102

Did i say anything about parity? JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #108

You and others who insist on speaking for Bernie and taking offense anytime randys1 Nov 2015 #114

That is not disrespect that is true. wildeyed Nov 2015 #109

What about leading and organizing demonstrations? JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #113

What about it? wildeyed Nov 2015 #115

You don't lead a demonstration from the back of the room JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #118

OK. Are you referring to something specific? wildeyed Nov 2015 #146

Okay, let me try to be a little clearer, which I perhaps wasn't JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #150

At that event (Netroots)that was referenced by the poster I replied to..... bravenak Nov 2015 #157

I see 3 black people in the top photo and none in the bottom Empowerer Nov 2015 #163

They were protesting segregation of Blacks at Uchicago. He LED the efforts. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #168

Actually, bravenak is really a Clinton supporter who only PRETENDED to like Sanders wildeyed Nov 2015 #183

I did see the PM. There is no conspiracy but hers. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #184

I felt out of place in Seattle surrounded by African AMericans and other minorities randys1 Nov 2015 #120

Actually, no she isn't. MineralMan Nov 2015 #103

Am I missing something? This must be spillover from another thread. wildeyed Nov 2015 #105

I was referring to post 10 JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #110

Oh, for fuck's sake. JTFrog Nov 2015 #117

And yet the poster reflects the attitudes of MILLIONS of white americans, many of them randys1 Nov 2015 #123

Did i say anything of the kind? No. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #132

How prescient. libdem4life Nov 2015 #16

I always am bravenak Nov 2015 #23

That constant appeal to order is something I've noticed among a lot of whites forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #12

It gets disheartening for sure. bravenak Nov 2015 #19

Reminds me of yesterday, Rahm instantly coming out and saying "gotta be peaceful" randys1 Nov 2015 #93

Bravenak, thank you for sharing that most excellent essay. Skidmore Nov 2015 #13

Thank you so much. bravenak Nov 2015 #20

! hootinholler Nov 2015 #14

And I thank them too.. bravenak Nov 2015 #18

Do I have this right? hootinholler Nov 2015 #32

Did I ever use his name one time in my op? No. I did not. bravenak Nov 2015 #45

So this isn't about Bernie then? hootinholler Nov 2015 #50

It is about black voting rights, civil rights and the history of blacks in politics. bravenak Nov 2015 #52

Cool! hootinholler Nov 2015 #54

The candidates want the SUPPORT of BLM. bravenak Nov 2015 #56

So you mis-spoke? hootinholler Nov 2015 #60

Oooh!! Look at that!! I always spell words incorrectly! bravenak Nov 2015 #66

. hootinholler Nov 2015 #79

Awww! bravenak Nov 2015 #80

Nice persistence. You have more patience than I do. Vattel Nov 2015 #160

. bravenak Nov 2015 #162

They were a part of the movement and deserve as much respect as others who Vattel Nov 2015 #159

They were not the reason for the movement. It was not their movement. They did not start it. bravenak Nov 2015 #161

He criticized white moderates, lovemydog Nov 2015 #17

Yep! bravenak Nov 2015 #21

King was a professed Democratic Socialist AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #25

He would decide for HIMSELF. bravenak Nov 2015 #28

Democrates don't always vote for Democrats... Sheepshank Nov 2015 #138

What is the ideology of 'Moderates'? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #189

Just for the record...is Moderate a bad thing? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #200

So you don't know either AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #205

Only you here attempt to label and attempt to state anything other than purity Sheepshank Nov 2015 #207

Isn't this a form of race baiting? TheProgressive Nov 2015 #26

How so? They are the WORDS OF MLK! bravenak Nov 2015 #27

Your post, not MLK TheProgressive Nov 2015 #36

This post is a HISTORY LESSON! bravenak Nov 2015 #37

A Black liberal being accused of race baiting on an allegedly liberal board randys1 Nov 2015 #111

Used to it bravenak Nov 2015 #112

Please see my post #155 TheProgressive Nov 2015 #156

Going back in time from Obama to MLK... freshwest Nov 2015 #55

If nothing else this post deserves a resurrection JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #38

You seem angry that you are not getting enough appreciation from Black people, why is that? randys1 Nov 2015 #126

That is not my complaint at all. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #131

The words of MLK constitute race baiting? leftofcool Nov 2015 #44

Go home, you're drunk. wildeyed Nov 2015 #147

Thanks very much for your personal attack... TheProgressive Nov 2015 #149

It is a problem when discussing MLK and his legacy is seen as race baiting. n/t wildeyed Nov 2015 #152

"Dr. King and the White Progressive™" TheProgressive Nov 2015 #155

She expressed an opinion that you don't like. wildeyed Nov 2015 #176

So to be clear... Hillary, then, is *not* a "white moderate?" villager Nov 2015 #29

Dunno bravenak Nov 2015 #39

Oh, I think you do. nt villager Nov 2015 #41

Hmmm bravenak Nov 2015 #47

oh yes she is Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #51

Worse, she's a conservative. Broward Nov 2015 #53

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #30

Of course. Much easier to ignore, eh? leftofcool Nov 2015 #48

Ignore the fact that white moderates compromise Clinton's base? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #61

Do you have two accounts here? sufrommich Nov 2015 #65

Nice find bravenak Nov 2015 #75

Try three - vincenz, bigvincenz, and Big Vincenz! George II Nov 2015 #94

Oh dear. Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #100

Hello MIRT? zappaman Nov 2015 #95

Sorry, I was incorrect, just bigvincenz and Big Vincenz. George II Nov 2015 #104

"King also criticized the white moderate..." Not "progressive"... MODERATE. Romulox Nov 2015 #33

He criticised all political persuasions. Go look at his history. bravenak Nov 2015 #40

The passage you quoted criticizes the WHITE MODERATE...you're misrepresenting it. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #62

That's nice. I copied the title verbatim. bravenak Nov 2015 #69

The title given by some Blogger. Not MLK's words. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #85

So bravenak Nov 2015 #87

So *YOU* are the one supporting the White Moderate. Irony alert! nt Romulox Nov 2015 #90

They are ALL MODERATES. bravenak Nov 2015 #92

Nope. One is a SOSHIALIST, the other is a Big Money Wall Street "Moderate". Romulox Nov 2015 #96

Wrong bravenak Nov 2015 #97

Nope. You can't be "to the left" and support the Rightwing candidate. Don't work. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #98

Would you like to do a "left" contest with me? You see I support Bernie but if he isnt the randys1 Nov 2015 #127

The point is it is premature to support the candidate on the right since we don't yet have a nominee JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #133

Most land should be returned to tribes to manage, section by section and a portion given to the bravenak Nov 2015 #142

you said earlier those were his words Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #178

You do get that this is not the 1960s, right? BainsBane Nov 2015 #140

You have no more right to edit Dr. King's words today than you did in the 1960s. Romulox Nov 2015 #145

Yes. lovemydog Nov 2015 #63

I think they should google him. bravenak Nov 2015 #73

That would be a good start. lovemydog Nov 2015 #74

Told you, didn't I? BainsBane Nov 2015 #89

You damn sure did bravenak Nov 2015 #91

Aren't white moderates Clinton's base? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #49

If you say so. bravenak Nov 2015 #68

her base is minorities JI7 Nov 2015 #119

Really? because they weren't there for her 8 years ago... Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #179

she won all minority groups otherc than african americans JI7 Nov 2015 #181

Her base is "hardworking white Americans", she said so herself. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #182

she didn't say they were her base . she didn't do well with african american voters because they JI7 Nov 2015 #187

White moderates were the base of Clinton's 18,000,000 votes. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #192

most whites vote republican JI7 Nov 2015 #194

You are very confused as to who voted for Clinton in 2008 Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #195

I'm not confused at all. you dismissed the hispanic vote JI7 Nov 2015 #196

The hispanics went 2 to 1 for clinton but it was still a small portion of the 18,000,000 votes Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #198

hahaha . Based on that only white people can form anyone's base JI7 Nov 2015 #199

Kick & highly recommended! William769 Nov 2015 #58

This is a good post, thanks, Bravenak. I think we Hortensis Nov 2015 #59

I think she did what she set out to do. bravenak Nov 2015 #70

Yes, and she's being read. But the Bernie followers she's Hortensis Nov 2015 #76

I'll try then bravenak Nov 2015 #78

:) Give it a press for me too. Hortensis Nov 2015 #81

I will. I have years of work ahead of me. bravenak Nov 2015 #82

Imani Gandy tells it.. From your link.. Cha Nov 2015 #64

Yep!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #71

.. Cha Nov 2015 #72

Boy, people are going out of their way to misunderstand what she's saying. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #125

I cant imagine doing what King did, the nerve and raw courage it took is overwhelming. randys1 Nov 2015 #128

The point of this was so obvious that the were forced to miss it. bravenak Nov 2015 #129

Exactly. lovemydog Nov 2015 #151

Thank you, and to you too! Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #153

Yay! lovemydog Nov 2015 #154

And it also ignores that King was a loud, proud and UNABASHED supporter of black rights Number23 Nov 2015 #173

K&R ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #135

the people swinging ten degrees to the right of center when the weather turns foul are trying to use MisterP Nov 2015 #136

Or, maybe folks need to stop in infighting or stop getting upset when the fight doesn't go their way bravenak Nov 2015 #141

+1 this Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #175

Ha! Nailed it. kath Nov 2015 #186

Thank you so much.--good readk. And REC riversedge Nov 2015 #148

Thank you Empowerer Nov 2015 #164

I appreciate your comments, thank you. bravenak Nov 2015 #166

K & R Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #165

. bravenak Nov 2015 #167

As a white progressive, Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #169

Can listen and not try to take control. bravenak Nov 2015 #170

You will note, I think, that I don't say much. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #172

I know. You are cool. bravenak Nov 2015 #185

Most. Dishonest. Thread. Title. Ever. Martin Eden Nov 2015 #171

Nothing in there about progressives--he said white "moderates" eridani Nov 2015 #180

Haven't you posted this same wrong equivalancy before? doxyluv13 Nov 2015 #188

Actual truth isn't relevent to slacktavists. 99Forever Nov 2015 #197

No, he was not complaining about white progressives jfern Nov 2015 #190

If one feels progressives (for whatever invalid reasons) are the problem, one should Live and Learn Nov 2015 #193

MLK felt that his allies were hard to deal with since they were in wait mode. bravenak Nov 2015 #201

This is such utter bullshit jfern Nov 2015 #202

Hah Imani Gandy. I remember her. Lucky Luciano Nov 2015 #203

She finished law school and worked for a while. bravenak Nov 2015 #204

It's a great document. He also lamented certain Black rights tactics aikoaiko Nov 2015 #206

Yes. bravenak Nov 2015 #208

I agree that is bullshit to say that nothing can be done about racism aikoaiko Nov 2015 #209

Decide what most important. bravenak Nov 2015 #210

I want to help. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #211

There are alot of ways to help. bravenak Nov 2015 #212

Will do more of each except the mentoring aikoaiko Nov 2015 #213

Thank you for helping. bravenak Nov 2015 #214