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Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:09 AM Nov 2015

"Banned in USA" - Putin explains how Hillary & Obama are to blame for the current mess Iraq & Syria. [View all]

First, a disclaimer: Obviously Russia and China are likely playing the imperialist game just like the US is, so there is an element of hypocrisy to what Putin is saying. However, if you focus on his critique of recent US foreign policy in Iraq and Syria, it is accurate, and it is damning - especially for those of us who don't want the US to be playing the imperialist game.

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Well fuck, we did support them and we did arm them and they have joined ISIS. Autumn Nov 2015 #1
And if you ask the question, could they not see this coming? Of course they could. I think they know reformist2 Nov 2015 #4
Anyone else need some? I'm making. merrily Nov 2015 #2
Oh yeah I want some of that and I think I'll have some of this Autumn Nov 2015 #6
Popcorn makes me thirsty, too. I got you. Enjoy. merrily Nov 2015 #9
ah, now you love some Putin. uga uga riversedge Nov 2015 #3
Your mind is closed. If you never listen to your 'enemies', you may never know the truth. reformist2 Nov 2015 #5
You've taken a wise saying and turned it into crap, lol. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #8
Whereas you skipped the wise saying. Efficiency is good. merrily Nov 2015 #11
One of the reasons they like to make Democrats and Republicans view each other as the enemy. Skwmom Nov 2015 #74
They have to take some responsibility for it, at least (nt) bigwillq Nov 2015 #7
So it isn't just the Republicans Dem2 Nov 2015 #10
Yeah, that's it! That's the ticket! I want to ingratiate myself to Putin. merrily Nov 2015 #13
I don't know if I should be surprised or not Putin has a following on DU. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #12
Truth has a large following on DU, no matter if it's your latest bogeyman stating it or not ... polly7 Nov 2015 #15
Truthiness has a large following... BootinUp Nov 2015 #17
Nah ....... you fixed nothing. polly7 Nov 2015 #18
Oh, do you not listen to anything Putin says? Are you afraid you might agree with him?? reformist2 Nov 2015 #19
He is a homophobe who has amassed a large fortune DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #22
What is your opinion on the treatment of gay people by the gulf monarchies CJCRANE Nov 2015 #38
Anybody who denies a fellow human being his or her humanity sucks, and not in a good way. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #41
But they are our staunch allies helping us spread democracy in the ME. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #43
Are fundamentalist Christians, Jews, and Muslims more homphobic than Putin, sure. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #47
What is going to happen to the gay people, women, christians and other religious minorities CJCRANE Nov 2015 #58
Beyond my ken to fix the M E DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #65
The christians and other minorities did okay under Assad and Gadaffi. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #69
Yes, they did. As did women also in Iraq. No more though ...... nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #71
I opposed the toppling of Saddam... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #73
Bootlickers abound... SidDithers Nov 2015 #32
Speaking of yourself, Sid? nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #35
Thank you FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #52
You're welcome, my pleasure! polly7 Nov 2015 #55
+1 Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #103
I deliberately avoided that drama but I was flummoxed that... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #36
You can tell a lot about someone by examining the source of their talking points and NurseJackie Nov 2015 #14
You can tell even more about someone whose main 'concern' in all of this horror polly7 Nov 2015 #16
If Putin is the "go-to" guy for Bernie supporters talking points, it doesn't strengthten their case. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #21
Lmfao. polly7 Nov 2015 #23
I trust Hillary. Not Bernie. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #26
This is about those suffering because of ISIS, the causes, and hopefully ... a way to end it. polly7 Nov 2015 #27
Horseshit. No it wasn't. It was an attack on Hillary. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #29
Wow. So paranoid. I'd feel bad for you if it wasn't just an all-out attempt to polly7 Nov 2015 #30
Save your sympathy for Bernie. He's going to need it. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #33
I don't vote there. My sympathy is for all those suffering because of what's been done polly7 Nov 2015 #34
... and defending those who use Putin as a proxy to blame Hillary. I get it. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #37
"Use Putin as a proxy to blame Hillary" polly7 Nov 2015 #44
doing great NurseJackie Nov 2015 #49
So bitter. No concern at all for the victims of ISIS and the terror now in the ME and NA? nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #51
I understand how one can get into an internet forum fight and say stupid shit. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #56
Then why do you do it? nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #59
Bait. Rejected. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #57
Omfg. People suffering because of ISIS are NOT bait. Absolutely sickening. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #60
More bait. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #78
This post makes my stomach sick, to be honest. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #81
+1 bahrbearian Nov 2015 #92
You have not said one word about the content of the OP or the issues it addresses. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #104
Totally unnecessary. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #107
Aww ........ isn't he though. You forgot the bear?!? polly7 Nov 2015 #108
Yep, I trust her... Hepburn Nov 2015 #97
Jane Hudson thinks that's funny! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #99
Seems like a fitting pic. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #109
It is revealing. Do you cover your ears when a "bad guy" talks, and say "la la la I can't hear you"? reformist2 Nov 2015 #53
oopf! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #61
Rep Tulsi Gabbard: End Illegal War Against Syrian Government of Assad, Stop helping ISIS Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #20
She is going to be our first woman president SwampG8r Nov 2015 #90
She's got a bright future Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #91
Ms Gabbard rocks. But now she's going to be smeared as a Putin lover riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #94
I don't think I will be listening to a homophobic wannabe dictator. leftofcool Nov 2015 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #25
Well, apparently it's the best they can do. E for effort, perhaps. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #28
What is your opinion on the treatment of gay people by the gulf monarchies CJCRANE Nov 2015 #39
I don't see any Gulf Monarchies' words being touted here as gospel. leftofcool Nov 2015 #93
That guy you won't listen to is a major player in Syria. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #105
... according to RT...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #31
Another closed mind. I see no reason to not at least listen to him! reformist2 Nov 2015 #42
This thread puts forth the idea that the blame for Syria, Iraq, ISIS is on 2 BootinUp Nov 2015 #46
McCain is #3. Nuland #4. Cayenne Nov 2015 #85
And still there has been nothing expressed in support of this thread that is a semblence BootinUp Nov 2015 #89
Your closed mind just wants to demean two good Democrats on a Dem board. Shameful riversedge Nov 2015 #54
By our actions we have given Putin legitimacy. Kip Humphrey Nov 2015 #40
Wrong! MattSh Nov 2015 #101
I sincerely hope that no one who supports using Putin as a source dsc Nov 2015 #45
Oooh, reductio ad Hitleram! We have a winner! reformist2 Nov 2015 #62
For gays in Russia dsc Nov 2015 #63
What is the future for gay people, women, christians and religious minorities post-Assad? CJCRANE Nov 2015 #66
I prefer democracies dsc Nov 2015 #70
So you think there will be a real democracy after Assad goes? Like in Iraq, Libya and Egypt? CJCRANE Nov 2015 #77
There isn't meant to be a real democracy. polly7 Nov 2015 #79
I didn't say getting democracy would be easy dsc Nov 2015 #86
What is your opinion on the gulf monarchies who are our allies CJCRANE Nov 2015 #64
I wouldn't use them as sources either dsc Nov 2015 #67
Putin and RT said it!? It MUST be true!!!! Adrahil Nov 2015 #48
List two things he has said about the US that were untrue. FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #50
I would be surprised if the above poster is willing to even listen to three minutes of Putin without reformist2 Nov 2015 #68
People also hate him because he originally played a part in stopping polly7 Nov 2015 #72
And I'm even acknowledging the possibility that Putin would do imperial nation-building if he could. reformist2 Nov 2015 #83
Well, some here just do not care about the situation, except to protect any and all of those who DID polly7 Nov 2015 #87
Sure, I'm willing to listen to him. Adrahil Nov 2015 #95
The thing about the Iraq war..... davidn3600 Nov 2015 #75
Yes, America forces people to behead other people. Putin is only demonstrating love in Crimea. randome Nov 2015 #76
So we should believe Putin, a champion of propaganda, no, Putin is responsible for protecting Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #80
What will happen if Assad goes? Will it be different this time, compared to post-Saddam and Gadaffi? CJCRANE Nov 2015 #82
It may continue to give some people confidence in believing Putin's propaganda, not me. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #84
It's not meant to be different. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #88
Putin is a horrible person... one_voice Nov 2015 #96
Fuck Putin. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #98
Vlad can say whatever he wants, as long as people keep in mind he is THE military dictator. Rex Nov 2015 #100
That's The Thing About War Hawks - Live By The Sword - Die By The Sword cantbeserious Nov 2015 #102
Bernie Sanders said he would do everything President Obama was doing. moobu2 Nov 2015 #106
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