2016 Postmortem

Kalidurga

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45. You are one of those Democrats that Republicans complain about

Reply to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:36 PM

Nov 2015

Most people know that it costs money to take care of people who can't for whatever reason take care of themselves. That is why we have people who are literally dying because they don't have health insurance. So, you don't want to pay for it so other people can live that is fine. But, please be up front about it.

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How many of you support Sanders' plan to raise the payroll tax on *everybody* to fund his platform? [View all] hill2016 Nov 2015 OP

I do Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #1

+10 well said. nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #13

Not a strong Sanders supporter, but I'd pay more for greater good. Hoyt Nov 2015 #54

I'd rather pay more for health than bombs Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #113

Amen. 840high Nov 2015 #92

I'm in. I'm proud to support my roguevalley Nov 2015 #129

I'd rather pay for his platform than another war. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #149

I would pay more for a better system. NT canosoviejo Nov 2015 #2

. merrily Nov 2015 #3

I pay $60 a paycheck for high deductible crap insurance where I work iwillalwayswonderwhy Nov 2015 #4

Ya got that right! My insurance is better but I still had to fork over about three large brewens Nov 2015 #93

Yep, we have to pay $5,000 out of pocket before our insurance kicks in each year AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #120

Then if it takes cost off of employers, some at least, mine would pretty much have to brewens Nov 2015 #125

Implications should be the main factor. If not.....duh. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #148

it cant be an open ended support drray23 Nov 2015 #5

Closing Corporate tax loopholes, ending welfare for the rich, for Wall St. and the MIC 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #18

++++10000 Karma13612 Nov 2015 #49

Europeans with their single payer systems pay less for healthcare than we do. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #80

This payroll tax is not for "health care." It's for family and medical leave. Watch the video. nt MADem Nov 2015 #102

Excellent. blackspade Nov 2015 #123

I know. The OP suggested a hike in payroll taxes. If you raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, JDPriestly Nov 2015 #127

That small hike will probably be most of the pay raise. And then the people will be in a higher MADem Nov 2015 #134

But the OP is about Sander's platform, the Family Leave Act is Gillibrand's bill, Bernie is just one Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #158

If you watch the video, he's the guy who is saying that. MADem Nov 2015 #159

It's way cheaper AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #131

It's not disingenuous and no one is pretending. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #151

To my knowledge, the only program that will increase the payroll tax is paid family/medical leave HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #6

Yes. CentralMass Nov 2015 #7

Hillary is undermining the best work of Senate Democrats Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #8

Agreed jkbRN Nov 2015 #11

Indeed Oilwellian Nov 2015 #29

The OP and many others are unable to recognize Democratic legislation when they see it. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #36

Yeahup..... daleanime Nov 2015 #60

This. Disgusting to see alleged democrats against these issues. ms liberty Nov 2015 #62

Please post that as an OP for a new thread. Great post. Wonderful information. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #84

Maybe later sometime Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #114

That's exactly where she should be - TBF Nov 2015 #97

I support it jkbRN Nov 2015 #9

I do. CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #10

It's OK to raise them. Wilms Nov 2015 #12

Show me a liberal who doesn't support it, and I'll show you someone who isn't a liberal. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2015 #14

+several brazillion, as W would say (how much is a Brazilian?) Demeter Nov 2015 #64

I got no issue with his proposal. So yes, I'm fine with it. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #15

Why can't the question be asked fairly? Jarqui Nov 2015 #16

Why can't the question be asked fairly? bvf Nov 2015 #38

Just another smear Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #41

Yes I do Autumn Nov 2015 #17

Yes it is worth $1.40/week from each of us so new mothers and fathers can bond with their children Vincardog Nov 2015 #19

Yes, evidence points to most Americans receiving a net benefit JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #20

I do. Chan790 Nov 2015 #21

Yup. Agschmid Nov 2015 #50

Your premise is bogus: "everyone" will not pay higher taxes 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #22

Tax increases to aid families will never phase me Prism Nov 2015 #23

Heck if your first three attempts were fail Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #24

What is your issue with the proposed tax? Android3.14 Nov 2015 #25

Yes, I believe family leave should be funded by taxpayers. Otherwise employers are incentivized femmedem Nov 2015 #26

Me, because this problem is bigger than any one person tularetom Nov 2015 #27

That's far less than my monthly insurance premioum n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #28

Payroll taxes are not paid by *everybody* Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #30

true. only those already paying payroll tax will see a tiny increase. restorefreedom Nov 2015 #32

It would be nice if the OP would correct that Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #34

yeah, i wouldn't hold my breath. true or not, it messes with the narrative.nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #37

How tiny? And a tax that doesn't affect the wealthy is a regressive tax. MADem Nov 2015 #104

actually, most of the cost will be borne by the wealthy restorefreedom Nov 2015 #105

No, it won't. Rich people do not get paychecks, and this is a proposed PAYROLL TAX. MADem Nov 2015 #107

well I suppose if you DID pass such a stool, restorefreedom Nov 2015 #111

support. most will get far more back in savings than what they put in. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #31

I do. Taxes are what we pay for civilized society. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #33

I suppose it's Supply Side Hillary now eh? Clinton the Progressive was so "last week" Armstead Nov 2015 #35

No bravenak Nov 2015 #39

I don't. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #40

The VAT. It also works well in Europe. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #108

CA has a simple sales tax, not a Value Added Tax. Very different, no State has a VAT. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #157

What do you mean by VAT? How do you think it differs from a sales tax? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #162

If we are going to do it, everbody should pay their fair share....even me. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #42

We now pay per capita about TWICE as much for health care as do others in the world who have JDPriestly Nov 2015 #85

I already have a lot in various privately funded deductions. I would certainly agree with Douglas Carpenter Nov 2015 #43

A tax would be a welcome pay increase for our family!!! CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #44

You are one of those Democrats that Republicans complain about Kalidurga Nov 2015 #45

Oddly enough, I prefer to pay $5k in taxes instead of $10k in insurance premiums/deductible. jeff47 Nov 2015 #46

yeah, my monthly for healthcare is now $6000 for myself and Mrs. The proposed tax hike Doctor_J Nov 2015 #48

how many of you Clinton supporters are willing to have 30 million remain without healthcare, Doctor_J Nov 2015 #47

so true Karma13612 Nov 2015 #53

Yes. I'm paying far too much for health insurance Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #51

Absolutely! Glorfindel Nov 2015 #52

For paid family leave? I'm in! n/t RichVRichV Nov 2015 #55

It's the moral thing to do. azmom Nov 2015 #56

Yes I will pay more. Glad you asked. Too bad you didn't create a poll. tk2kewl Nov 2015 #57

I will pay an extra 2% if it leads to everyone getting equal access to good health care Scootaloo Nov 2015 #58

Count me as a yes Sherman A1 Nov 2015 #59

I would have when I was working. I am sure the last tax cut I got was $100 a month LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #61

Yes! It would be transformative nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #63

It's time to exorcise ourselves of voodoo economics and failed trickle down theory deutsey Nov 2015 #65

Fine by me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #66

Tax me the $200 dollars i pay per month for healthcare WDIM Nov 2015 #67

Pay a few more dollars a year to fund much needed social programs? sarge43 Nov 2015 #68

Damned right I do tkmorris Nov 2015 #69

I'll even pay a bit more to care for the refugees we created ... Babel_17 Nov 2015 #70

I can afford it Boomer Nov 2015 #71

Did even listen to the video you posted? It's a FANTASTIC PRO-Bernie piece! Thanks!!! cui bono Nov 2015 #72

Buy a lottery ticket corkhead Nov 2015 #73

lol, ... Babel_17 Nov 2015 #74

Well, it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to be taxed to pay for REAL universal healthcare, rather kath Nov 2015 #75

I support it. stage left Nov 2015 #76

Yes - I Support Single Payer - Yes I Support Taxes cantbeserious Nov 2015 #77

It's worth it to get our shit together. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #78

Count me in! n/t woodsprite Nov 2015 #79

Count me in. I will happily pay more to have a better educated, healthy, inclusive and Live and Learn Nov 2015 #81

Does his platform eliminate other costs I currently experience? Does it raise my pay? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #82

If my healthcare costs go down RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #83

Absolutely. Next question? n/t eggplant Nov 2015 #86

I support it (nt) bigwillq Nov 2015 #87

Please, and thank you. forest444 Nov 2015 #88

by now even the exurbs would rather have some taxes on the middle class than not HAVE a middle MisterP Nov 2015 #89

Yep! Iggo Nov 2015 #90

Sure! NRaleighLiberal Nov 2015 #91

The problem with DU polls is they are not representative of Dems, let alone the country. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #94

!! Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #95

It this supposed to be the big "gotcha" that ends Bernie's campaign? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #96

That's a great way to fight the 1%, isn't it? Tax the 99%. George II Nov 2015 #98

Our filing status is self-employed and we are willing TBF Nov 2015 #99

A little more in taxes vs. a LOT less in bills? Sure thing! nt valerief Nov 2015 #100

Horrible idea. It will go over like a lead balloon. MADem Nov 2015 #101

Fine. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #103

I'm ok with it TSIAS Nov 2015 #106

I do Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #109

I am absolutely on board. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #110

Please do. kacekwl Nov 2015 #112

K&R Paka Nov 2015 #115

Yes. Half-Century Man Nov 2015 #116

We would pay less than we pay now AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #117

I do.... mike_c Nov 2015 #118

Yep. katsy Nov 2015 #119

I do. blackspade Nov 2015 #121

I support this plan fbc Nov 2015 #122

I support it. TIME TO PANIC Nov 2015 #124

I care about others, wendylaroux Nov 2015 #126

Are you Taxed Enough Already? guillaumeb Nov 2015 #128

A question to all on DU who are reading this post: guillaumeb Nov 2015 #130

They also started about four other threads Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #150

Yah, right? I'm comfy, dammit! snort Nov 2015 #132

Recced to make the thread's comments more visible. Promethean Nov 2015 #133

tax me 60% and i'll be happy not paying for walmart (HRC) ppl. she left to the sharks. juxtaposed Nov 2015 #135

Gladly. And I'll gladly pay higher taxes to enable healthcare for everyone, free college tuition Kip Humphrey Nov 2015 #136

:D Wilms Nov 2015 #137

Not everyone is a supply-sider DefenseLawyer Nov 2015 #138

I don't mind paying more taxes, but I want a progressive tax structure BainsBane Nov 2015 #139

Regressive it is. freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #141

I do. n/t Hepburn Nov 2015 #140

I can't afford to pay more than I'm paying now . . . freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #142

This thread reminds me of when Republicans ask for input on Twitter. Scuba Nov 2015 #143

I'm in! denbot Nov 2015 #144

I agree with Bernie's plan. Fearless Nov 2015 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2015 #146

I would pay more. Luciferous Nov 2015 #147

I don't mind at all fredamae Nov 2015 #152

I do. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2015 #153

I do. Proudly. It's the right thing to do. AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #154

35% tax TeddyR Nov 2015 #155

I support it. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #156

Let's see, endless Healthcare for All vs. endless Warfare for All. Both will require higher taxes. sorechasm Nov 2015 #160

A middle class tax increase is death in a general election. Even if he goes back on it between now stevenleser Nov 2015 #161

This is one of Jamaal510 Nov 2015 #163