2016 Postmortem

hill2016

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34. no

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:50 PM

Nov 2015

they would rather spend their money on iphones and shoes rather than to pay into a system where they get marginal benefit.

Like I said, self interest.

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Clinton is smart to contrast her plan to cut taxes against Sander's plan to raise taxes on the middl [View all] hill2016 Nov 2015 OP

I thought his plan to raise taxes was directly connected to it providing universal healthcare? randys1 Nov 2015 #1

then Clinton will bring up hill2016 Nov 2015 #2

Do you not want universal healthcare? randys1 Nov 2015 #3

only hill2016 Nov 2015 #4

I see ibegurpard Nov 2015 #5

I'm pretty sure hill2016 Nov 2015 #7

Well unless you're paying significantly less than the average person HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #11

well hill2016 Nov 2015 #22

Just let this sink in HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #28

yup hill2016 Nov 2015 #32

How about this? HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #37

better hill2016 Nov 2015 #58

I imagine their profits would be a good place to start. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #62

ok let's look at hard numbers hill2016 Nov 2015 #67

Your litigious point doesn't hold as much water as you might think. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #35

The cost of healthcare in Canada is 1/2 that of the US, with better outcomes. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #77

4% of our total expenditures go to insurance companies, and not all of that is profit Recursion Nov 2015 #89

Some sources disagree with the 4% number. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #112

Umm... their math is just wrong on its face Recursion Nov 2015 #113

If that 273.6 billion did not go to insurance companies, guillaumeb Nov 2015 #114

It's all about you, huh? tularetom Nov 2015 #17

at the end of the day hill2016 Nov 2015 #25

Young people are broke! Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #31

no hill2016 Nov 2015 #34

Piss off with the Republicanisms. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #38

Jeez!!! What ever happened to "I couldn't disagree more" or MADem Nov 2015 #56

I can understand the frustration and the attendant rude language. Ron Green Nov 2015 #72

Oh, come now--that old mare left the barn when primary season started! We can't even pretend MADem Nov 2015 #74

I agree with your points, except that I'm defending rudeness in evidence of devotion. Ron Green Nov 2015 #85

If I had a nickel....! I feel ya--I resemble that remark as well! nt MADem Nov 2015 #86

"That kind of rhetoric just lowers the level of discourse here." Rex Nov 2015 #107

It never used to be, though--which is sad. This used to be where the SMART people congregated. MADem Nov 2015 #110

I agree because I remember DU2 and 1. Rex Nov 2015 #111

All the more reason to have universal single payer Armstead Nov 2015 #81

here's the problem hill2016 Nov 2015 #90

Healthcare is a right, not a privilege. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #41

Let's talk about hill2016 Nov 2015 #91

How do we prevent your third bullet now? PatrickforO Nov 2015 #99

Let me get this straight tularetom Nov 2015 #42

no hill2016 Nov 2015 #92

You're just trying to stir the shit with very little success I might add tularetom Nov 2015 #98

sounds like a social darwinist IMO azurnoir Nov 2015 #51

Otherwise known as a Libertarian ibegurpard Nov 2015 #55

+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #61

+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #60

So how much every month do you pay TM99 Nov 2015 #6

The only part of the plan I dont get is how does Bernie get the money employers are now randys1 Nov 2015 #9

From the taxes being levied on such corporations. TM99 Nov 2015 #40

I like my insurance hill2016 Nov 2015 #14

It is hard to take seriously such a comment. TM99 Nov 2015 #39

i wouldn't expect an answer. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #44

what if my provider hill2016 Nov 2015 #68

That is a risk you already take. TM99 Nov 2015 #70

Many Providers Have A Medicare Retiree Plan... ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #88

Well wait you mean you should pay zero in premiums and your employer also AND no randys1 Nov 2015 #8

I'm sorry, but I can't believe you just said that. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #20

Maybe you should UglyGreed Nov 2015 #24

didn't that guy hill2016 Nov 2015 #27

It was Perot's fault UglyGreed Nov 2015 #29

Oh and least UglyGreed Nov 2015 #33

You're kinda missing the point, aren't you? PatrickforO Nov 2015 #47

You've confused Dukakis with Mondale 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #82

Ah, I stand corrected on the quote. My point about the need to increase still stands. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #84

I think Sanders hill2016 Nov 2015 #93

Then you don't want universal healthcare. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2015 #59

What, you think SHE's gonna tell them about the universal healthcare part? tularetom Nov 2015 #10

Do you have a link to an actual plan from Sanders' campaign how he's specifically going to pay? KittyWampus Nov 2015 #13

You should address that question to the poster to whom I responded tularetom Nov 2015 #19

My post #20 may give you some insight. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #26

Your interests and probabilities aren't relevant. Sanders is running a campaign for POTUS KittyWampus Nov 2015 #65

And what of your interest? Why should it be seen as relevant? DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2015 #66

Yes, a financial transaction tax on Wall St trades riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #87

lol hill2016 Nov 2015 #94

It's only one part along with the rest of his proposals and I proffer to triple that riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #97

yeah triple that hill2016 Nov 2015 #100

Sanders does offer other financing methods riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #101

He also offers other proposals to get there riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #102

yeah I read his proposal hill2016 Nov 2015 #103

You've learned nothing, John Snow. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #12

He's not serious. He has no plans that detail specifically how he's going to pay for it all. KittyWampus Nov 2015 #15

unfortunately hill2016 Nov 2015 #16

guess DaveT Nov 2015 #23

well if that's true hill2016 Nov 2015 #30

the top 10% control 80% of the wealth. Now I know KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #63

oh hill2016 Nov 2015 #69

You have demonstrated by your many replies in this thread a degree of KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #71

I'm not sure about your assumption hill2016 Nov 2015 #95

I love this thread DaveT Nov 2015 #18

somehow I don't think hill2016 Nov 2015 #36

this is a completely disingenuous argument restorefreedom Nov 2015 #46

that's nice hill2016 Nov 2015 #96

they are already out restorefreedom Nov 2015 #109

You think that little quip DaveT Nov 2015 #64

So let's continue on a system where people are dying....awesome! pinebox Nov 2015 #21

I agree. Primaries are crazy times. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #49

Another BS posting by the Hillary gang trying to mislead and distort what Bernie said! dmosh42 Nov 2015 #43

he did say hill2016 Nov 2015 #57

Now she's trolling for the Republican vote. Vinca Nov 2015 #45

Good point. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #48

My biggest gripe about her is I've always considered her half a Republican. Vinca Nov 2015 #73

Well, Sanders was trolling for them with the gun stuff, so it's hard to know if MADem Nov 2015 #53

"....a small increase in the PAYROLL tax...." Who is advising this guy? MADem Nov 2015 #50

That people who think like you are self-proclaimed Democrats Broward Nov 2015 #52

How is it smart to cut taxes and preach war escalation? Opportunistic, but not smart. Who pays? EndElectoral Nov 2015 #54

She has dropped any pretense of being a Democrat AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #75

so go appeal to those who think taxes are too high DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #76

If Clinton truly believes she has a lock on the nomination, she should campaign on general election Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #78

We can continue with the status quo of throwing the middle class a dog one to quiet them down CentralMass Nov 2015 #79

She is a smart republican. nt thereismore Nov 2015 #80

I just wish Sanders would clearly tell us how he plans on getting it passed in riversedge Nov 2015 #83

It's not there. All hat, no cattle. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #104

and wed will be the loser DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #106

She and her Third Way Dem buddies should write up some sort of "No New Taxes" pledge! Teamster Jeff Nov 2015 #105

Pic says "Bernie Closing The Gap With Hillary." Rex Nov 2015 #108