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Segami

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Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:28 PM Nov 2015

SEIU Members OUTRAGED After Hillary Endorsement [View all]




The highly influential, 2-million-member Service Employees International Union (SEIU) endorsed Hillary Clinton for president yesterday. In her announcement, SEIU President Mary Kay Henry said that,

“Hillary Clinton has proven she will fight, deliver and win for working families. SEIU members and working families across America are part of a growing movement to build a better future for their families, and Hillary Clinton will support and stand with them."

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/seiu-endorses-hillary-clinton-215980

But a good number of those 2-million members disagree. A New Hampshire local SEIU chapter has broken from national leadership to endorse Bernie Sanders, and members around the country are protesting the union’s support of a candidate running on a $12 minimum wage, when the SEIU has been leading the Fight for 15.

From the International Business Times,

“The service workers’ union has poured millions into the.. Fight for 15, a protest-driven campaign that has helped pass $15 hourly minimum wages in Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles and shifted the national debate over what constitutes an adequate federal pay floor, currently $7.25 an hour.

But during the most recent Democratic debate, Clinton criticized a proposed $15 nationwide minimum, calling instead for $12. Both her opponents, Martin O’Malley and Bernie Sanders, support $15 an hour.

Many SEIU members prefer Sanders, including Rand Wilson, a staffer for the union's Massachusetts-based Local 888 and founding member of the grassroots network Labor for Bernie…

‘It’s important to support the candidate who’s supportive of our objectives,’ he says. ‘It’ll be hard to continue to support a candidate who supports $12 an hour when there’s a viable one who supports $15...’

Wilson predicts the move will generate backlash against the leadership. Sanders is seen as a more passionate defender of the union’s broader agenda.

‘It’s going to divide the membership in the face of important campaigns — the fight to raise minimum wages, immigration reform, breaking up the banks, the need to overturn Citizens United,’ Wilson says. ‘This is the time we need to unite.’

http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-key-labor-union-endorses-hillary-clinton-defying-rank-file-critics-2188461



From In These Times,

“Rodney Muhammad, an SEIU 1199 member in Massachusetts, echoed the contrasts between Clinton and Sanders that are often mentioned by Labor for Bernie supporters.

‘Being a union delegate and being deeply involved with the union, Bernie would have been the right person for the job. He’s pro-labor, he’s been on picket lines, he’s very proactive and he’s for $15 an hour. It just seems like Hillary Clinton has too many ties to Wall Street. She has not really done much to procure help for the unions over the past few years...”

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/18616/seiu_endorses_hillary_while_rank_and_file_activists_continue_to_push_for_be


And, perhaps most telling of all, the SEIU Facebook Page erupted, yesterday and today, with person after person outraged at the Clinton endorsement.

Cathy Bosell Haye:

“Please retract the SEIU endorsement for Hillary Clinton. She does NOT represent the average working American. She takes funding from Wall Street PLUS foreign donations as well as contributions from Private Prison Corporations. So just exactly who does she work for?”

Louie Vidmar:

“Members, please copy the following text and email it to your union leadership:

I beg you to please reject SEIU’s endorsement of HRC for president! The union should take a thorough poll of it’s members before making such a disastrous decision!

I will be canceling my CAPE contributions until this is rectified!

As a truly progressive candidate for the Democratic Party nomination, Senator Sanders has the chance to inspire millions of Americans with policy proposals that put the interests of the 99%, front and center. His campaign will draw attention to what unions and collective bargaining have accomplished for workers and energize our movement.

Labor must step up to change the direction of American politics. We need politics to focus on the issues of our time: growing inequality and pervasive racism, the power of concentrated wealth and its corruption of our democracy, an escalating pension and retirement security crisis, runaway military spending and a militarized foreign policy, Medicare for All, and the need for new, bold solutions to our shared problems.

We call on labor leaders, union members and working people to unite behind Bernie Sanders for a voice in the presidential political process and to elect the President working families need – a President who will answer to the 99 percent!

We are Labor for Bernie 2016.”

Angel Rodriquez:

“This is scandalous, shameful, counterintuitive, problematic, defeating, and divisive. Pathetic.

‘SEIU's biggest national campaign is the Fight for $15 and a union. Across the country, we are organizing workers to strike and demand a $15 minimum wage.’

DESPITE THIS:

Hillary Clinton is on public record as opposing a federal minimum wage of $15 per hour.’’

THEY ARE ENDORSING CLINTON, WITHOUT CONSIDERING THAT:

‘It is hard to ask workers to strike for $15 an hour in one breath when we are opposing the candidate (U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders) who proposed national legislation for $15 an hour.’”

“You campaign for $15. Bernie is fighting for your $15. Hillary is capping it at $12.

Sure, this makes sense. SMH. Shameful. Seriously, SHAME ON YOU.

Denise Welte:

“This SEIU member will be voting for Bernie! Who actually gets labor unions isn't bought by one! Disgusted.”

Paul Moriarty:

“LET'S BE CLEAR: SEIU does not poll its members as to whom it should endorse. How can SEIU say it's going to fight for a $15/hr wage when it endorses Hillary Clinton who wants the wage set at $12/hr. Not to mention that Hillary is a disgrace to this country and will be the 21st century version of Nixon. As an SEIU member I DENOUNCE any endorsement of Hillary Clinton. What a joke!”


https://www.facebook.com/SEIU/?fref=ts





cont'

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/18/1451648/-SEIU-Members-Outraged-After-Hillary-Endorsement
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I wonder how much pressure is being placed on Union Leadership to come out so early in the campaign sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #1
None upaloopa Nov 2015 #4
Are you Union Leadership? bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #10
I belong to 480 erlewyne Nov 2015 #24
What do you mean you "had" to? Matariki Nov 2015 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #31
So in all seriousness upaloppa angrychair Nov 2015 #33
Maybe some pockets are feeling the pressure Jarqui Nov 2015 #22
Oh, money DEFINITELY changed hands. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #103
My thoughts exactly, why so early? WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2015 #29
PATCO, the Airline Pilots and Teamsters all endorsed Ronnie Raygun and look what it got them. fasttense Nov 2015 #136
Ancient Alien Astronaut theorists suggest unsubstantiated crappola too. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #163
Are you lost in Space? Lol! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #164
How many is "a good number"? brooklynite Nov 2015 #2
I think I read 300 signed a petition upaloopa Nov 2015 #7
Check my math... brooklynite Nov 2015 #17
Can you provide some reference to your estimate? nm floriduck Nov 2015 #35
Consider this: OilemFirchen Nov 2015 #42
LOL. What took you so long? DanTex Nov 2015 #3
So the 25% are demanding the 75% that want Hillary go along with them? MaggieD Nov 2015 #5
You mean they voted on it? zeemike Nov 2015 #40
And there ya have it! Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #54
They voted MaggieD Nov 2015 #66
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #69
You never heard of Google? MaggieD Nov 2015 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #73
I. DONT. CARE. If you're ignorant about it MaggieD Nov 2015 #82
As an SEIU member I can tell you that is not true. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #109
Read their website and the press release. All the answers to your questions are there. George II Nov 2015 #154
Why should I? zeemike Nov 2015 #169
Why should you? Because you are the one questioning the manner in which they made their decision. George II Nov 2015 #176
So what you are saying is if you question zeemike Nov 2015 #178
And if you look at the SEIU's Facebook page you'll see that nearly EVERY comment is pro Sanders Matariki Nov 2015 #44
LOL! MaggieD Nov 2015 #67
As if 'laughing out loud' deflects the truth. Matariki Nov 2015 #143
And this type of swarming is exactly why social media polls suck and mean nothing Sheepshank Nov 2015 #165
Could you post a link to where you get those numbers? Matariki Nov 2015 #48
Nope MaggieD Nov 2015 #68
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #70
Are you incapable of reading or googling? MaggieD Nov 2015 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #75
I don't care if you're ignorant about it MaggieD Nov 2015 #79
Most people back up their statements by pointing to their source Matariki Nov 2015 #98
please note no proof throughout the thread. marym625 Nov 2015 #110
^^THIS^^ n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #127
Oh, it's glaringly OBVIOUS. Matariki Nov 2015 #141
her campaign tactics haven't changed since she first ran for office. marym625 Nov 2015 #147
It unskewing endorsments..... Historic NY Nov 2015 #84
LOL! MaggieD Nov 2015 #86
It's embarrassing. MADem Nov 2015 #85
How is it bullying to express your opinion. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #101
Produce the poll. eom Fawke Em Nov 2015 #100
pretty awful thing to do to its members marym625 Nov 2015 #6
What? If 75% back Hillary they should upaloopa Nov 2015 #9
I wonder if Hillary supporters grasp how awful she is. marym625 Nov 2015 #11
My fav is publicly lying to Democrats... Segami Nov 2015 #14
So true. Sadly. marym625 Nov 2015 #15
Sanders voted for No Child Left Behind Renew Deal Nov 2015 #28
No, but thanks for playing! marym625 Nov 2015 #34
Nice catch. merrily Nov 2015 #38
thanks. marym625 Nov 2015 #49
+1 Bubzer Nov 2015 #43
Thank you! marym625 Nov 2015 #50
I call that slinging slop... Oilwellian Nov 2015 #88
I don't say anything without first researching. marym625 Nov 2015 #99
Obviously, since there has been no response, marym625 Nov 2015 #182
And thus proving out the lying meme Fairgo Nov 2015 #105
Ha! marym625 Nov 2015 #107
The ones here know but do not care because they aren't suffering. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #111
it's pretty despicable marym625 Nov 2015 #117
aka privilege and entitlement - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #130
Hillary had one of the most progressive records in Congress when she was Senator. pnwmom Nov 2015 #157
I don't hate. I'm just stating facts marym625 Nov 2015 #159
How about two attempts in two years to pass her unconstitutional flag desecration bill? merrily Nov 2015 #160
it's kind of amazing she's considered progressive by anyone. marym625 Nov 2015 #166
The plan of From, founder of the DLC, was to confuse people about "progressive." merrily Nov 2015 #167
Produce the poll. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #102
Produce the poll - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #129
Why? Polls of their members showed 72% of their members supported Hillary. pnwmom Nov 2015 #156
please link to the source marym625 Nov 2015 #158
The article says the Union heads say that. Are you saying they're lying? n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #168
I'm saying I want a source for that. marym625 Nov 2015 #170
The members have no reason to lie. Union may have a reason. I'm going with members truthful.nt merrily Nov 2015 #171
how many times in this thread have people asked for a source? marym625 Nov 2015 #174
A billion? It's a long thread, but I didn't realize it was that long! merrily Nov 2015 #175
it's a fact but I'm not fetching it for you. marym625 Nov 2015 #177
LOL! We crack us up! merrily Nov 2015 #180
Right. You're saying the union heads are lying. pnwmom Nov 2015 #172
link to the source.. marym625 Nov 2015 #173
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #8
They are fighting for $15, but are endorsing someone azmom Nov 2015 #12
#fightfor12 frylock Nov 2015 #20
#settleforthreefifty Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #71
As soon as i heard of their support sadoldgirl Nov 2015 #13
As a big union supporter I am struggling with the possibility of doing the same. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #112
Maybe the executive board should change the name of the "fight for $15" campaign. pa28 Nov 2015 #16
Yea....LOL! Segami Nov 2015 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #77
... SidDithers Nov 2015 #90
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #91
Here's to you... SidDithers Nov 2015 #94
"We prefer 12. We'll settle for 10." campaign. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #51
It's this. She's not going to FIGHT for $12. "Tell me something real". nt stillwaiting Nov 2015 #123
"Single payer? The revolution never came, Bernie." Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #125
We have seen the revolutionaries demwing Nov 2015 #128
K & R. The Clinton reach is vast. appalachiablue Nov 2015 #18
I'm neither outraged nor surprised Prism Nov 2015 #21
As a Duck fan floriduck Nov 2015 #37
I wondered if it is the revolving door. Clinton chose to privatize Mexico and Iraq Oil Industries DhhD Nov 2015 #60
“LET'S BE CLEAR: SEIU does not poll its members as to whom it should endorse. stupidicus Nov 2015 #23
No one knows...they refuse to provide a source. Bubzer Nov 2015 #46
Here is the source... Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #142
+1000 nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #113
Classic: the power elite (in the UNION) dosen't REALLY represent the Rank-in-file! Ferd Berfel Nov 2015 #25
K&R LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #26
It looks like the way to go is to get local SEIU chapters to endorse Bernie Kalidurga Nov 2015 #27
There is a definite trend of union endorsements being rendered by the leadership Maedhros Nov 2015 #30
And the more we see this the less it means. She is racking jwirr Nov 2015 #61
Sort of like how Debbie Wasserman Schultz did it on debates and their timing? daybranch Nov 2015 #162
When a union has 2 million members, there's bound to be a few dozen unhappy with the leadership. George II Nov 2015 #32
Can you provide a link to the vote totals? Thanks in advance.... panader0 Nov 2015 #89
Can you or the OP provide a link with the number of SEIU members who are OUTRAGED? George II Nov 2015 #95
Produce the poll or STFU - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #131
The results of the SEIU canvas of members (it was NOT a "poll") is out there.... George II Nov 2015 #153
Life in WeathervaneLand: make a n outlandish claim bit refuse to support it when KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #179
If you got all the way down here, no doubt you read the OP as well. What you're asking for..... George II Nov 2015 #181
Well... Andy823 Nov 2015 #36
NO, but union resources get sent to a person the union doesn't support Demeter Nov 2015 #45
It's still the voters Andy823 Nov 2015 #53
Yeah, if they get the opportunity Demeter Nov 2015 #58
Why wouldn't they get the opportunity? Andy823 Nov 2015 #87
Well, then, this election should be an education for you Demeter Nov 2015 #119
#FightFor15 is on the SEIU twitter page. Isn't Hillary's stated position #LipServiceFor12? xocet Nov 2015 #39
#LipserviceFor12. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #52
Yep. SEIU's Facebook page told the story loud and clear Matariki Nov 2015 #47
Just as there is not thinking alike of minds here on DU there is a difference of opinions in every Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #55
"she has the middle class welfare at heart" Yallow Nov 2015 #92
Still on the RW talking point, I heard Bill Krystal saying the same. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #93
The powers that be monicaangela Nov 2015 #56
Why would SEIU support a 'Wall Street monger' Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #59
New Democrats in the revolving door riding on a Clinton third way win. DhhD Nov 2015 #63
Hedging their bets. They know Bernie will support them no matter what. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #114
My Husband Was A Union Member... Not SEIU, But From What I ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #62
Check out the last member of the roll; DWS DhhD Nov 2015 #64
Amazing, So Now THEY Just Advertise Who They Are, AND ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #150
They have a valid point - why endorse the one who doesn't want you to have more money Hestia Nov 2015 #65
Former member of SEIU 775 here. Voting for Bernie. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #76
But the overwhelming majority of them are not outraged Generic Brad Nov 2015 #78
There was no friggen vote! We are not outnumbered. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #115
Yeah, was never polled in my union either. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #139
I'm SEIU and I'm very disappointed in this endorsement. mike_c Nov 2015 #80
Imagine that. Workers betrayed by establishment leadership once again. Zorra Nov 2015 #81
What's a "good" number of members ? FloridaBlues Nov 2015 #83
Produce the poll - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #132
I'd ask SEIU to produce the poll. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #145
thats the way the country crumbles olddots Nov 2015 #96
It's the 1% vs the 99% MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #97
Actually it's 25% vs 75% Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #118
So where's the poll results? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #120
And . . . crickets. There was NO POLL! - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #133
Truth 'em, Manny! Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #134
According to the SEIU. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #146
... questionseverything Nov 2015 #151
... Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #152
Question for SEIU members here. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #104
up thread someone said no, there was not a vote marym625 Nov 2015 #108
Nope. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #116
Of course not! Demeter Nov 2015 #121
the Pinto candidacy? MisterP Nov 2015 #148
Stuff like this might actually backfire, because these incensed union members PatrickforO Nov 2015 #106
I devoutly hope so. Demeter Nov 2015 #122
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #124
No consideration given to membership does not a good union make. lonestarnot Nov 2015 #126
Kick !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #135
Corrupt leadership, the Achilles Heel of unions, strikes again. [nt] Jester Messiah Nov 2015 #137
It's always good to see Labor management supporting their member's goals. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #138
The Entrenched Establishment Controlers, SoapBox Nov 2015 #140
Sanders Supporters Outraged NCTraveler Nov 2015 #144
I Knew . . . Gamecock Lefty Nov 2015 #149
The union said polls of its members consistently showed at least 72% for Hillary. nt pnwmom Nov 2015 #155
Leadership of Unions being pressured due to the rise of Bernie Sanders? Membership sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #161
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