2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Why I don't Trust Hillary Clinton! [View all]cascadiance
(19,537 posts)And it is insulting for someone like you to lecture us who've lived with this CRAP for decades and have our careers destroyed by this program. And NO, we are NOT xenophobic right wingers you seem to want to categorize us as. I'll bet I have MORE friends from places like India, Persia, and other countries that have had so many of their people also victimized by this abused program than you do. My crave for diversity in the work place was one reason I moved to the West Coast from the midwest, and I lived as a kid overseas for much of my childhood. The better solution is to encourage and help streamline real immigration here, so that most of those foreign workers invest in becoming citizens here, and their family spends their income here instead of overseas. That or green cards, that makes the workplace an even playing field where everyone competes evenly for decent salaries without the *INDENTURED SERVANT* restrictions imposed by the H-1B visa program that screws all workers to reward the rich.
This program is being abused by the wealthy elites to exploit cheap labor from overseas with its rules and loopholes that have been built in to it over the years. I've seen that abuse myself personally, from the times I was hearing managers next to me in the 90's joking how they were getting cheap labor from Indian body shops who worked around the "prevailing salary" requirements then by only hiring H-1B workers and therefore having no American employees to measure salaries against, and contracting them as a "service" and not "contract employees" to companies that they would work at.
And I lived next door to an apartment where my old neighbor moved out, and a few H-1B families were being crowded in to that place before their H-1B sponsor later kicked them all out to take the place for himself when there was a housing crisis back in the late 90's in the bay area. I've seen these things happening MYSELF!!!
And if you aren't convinced by that, listen to the congress person that pushed the immigration bill through congress that created this H-1B program, and his comments now on how this program has been abused, and needs to be curtailed now. You need to look more than just government web pages to understand this program and how it is being abused. Government pages on this program aren't going to say things like "Go to this page to see this rule, and you can work around this rule by doing A, and then doing B." That's why the link you posted on how this program is being abused is useless in the real world as others have noted here.
The Boston Globe here isn't exactly a right wing rag...
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2013/03/30/visa-program-has-been-hijacked-outsourcers/VAg6o9KgS2tuoZ3WbmaqeK/story.html
The reality is that once employees get green cards, they command an American salary and can go elsewhere if they dont receive it. Much of the competitive advantage of having that worker disappears. Employees on H-1B visas understand this all too well. Online discussion forums are full of workers strategizing about how to escape companies that havent given them a raise in years. On one forum, a person identifying himself as a Cognizant employee wrote that he suspected his bosses of deliberately submitting shoddy paperwork for his green card to keep him longer in a low-wage job.
When the H-1B visa program was invented in 1990, no one expected that Indian companies would be its biggest subscribers. Exploitation of the H-1B by outsourcers is a new abuse, said Bruce Morrison, a former Connecticut congressman who authored of the 1990 Immigration Act, which gave birth to H-1B visas. Morrison said the law which vastly expanded employment-based green cards was designed to curb the abusive practice of bringing temporary workers to fill permanent jobs. He crafted the bill with different professions in mind: nurses, physical therapists, and mechanics who serviced data processing machines, many of whom were from Taiwan and Korea.
Rather than increase H-1Bs, we need to increase green cards and deliver them to new hires immediately, Morrison said. That would eliminate the disincentive to hire Americans.
But some companies have become addicted to H-1Bs. For them, the visas created a dream workforce: Young people with no family obligations who feel grateful for the chance to work long hours for relatively low wages. Workers who literally cant leave for better-paying jobs. Disposable people who go home after three years or six years just when they start getting expensive.
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And if you think that we are only caring about American workers, which we should care about, and not caring about the foreign workers under this program, go to this link and watch this report, where an Indian worker also talks how he's being abused by this program too, and how they get screwed by the rich just like we do. So only the rich benefit from this program. AGAIN, WHY does Hillary support this CRAP that only supports the rich, and her supporters calling supporting a program that exploits workers around the worker for the rich "liberal"?!!!
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Silicon-Valleys-Body-Shop-Secret-280567322.html