I'm going to say this once as a Clinton supporter: the sponsored PPP poll is bullshit [View all]

Ignore it completely. And I am now speaking as a statistical analyst. It was nothing more than advertising disguised as a poll.

That said please don't start posting the internet widget instant votes as if they mean anything either. Who "won" in public perception won't be known for days, if at all.

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I'm going to say this once as a Clinton supporter: the sponsored PPP poll is bullshit [View all]	Godhumor	Nov 2015	OP
All will be revealed in the VOTING primary states like NH and SC.	willvotesdem	Nov 2015	#1
Thanks. I think I've said that before to you,	elleng	Nov 2015	#2
Thanks for being honest.	beam me up scottie	Nov 2015	#3
First and foremost I am an statistician	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#4
If I had your knowledge and experience I'd probably be angry all the time.	beam me up scottie	Nov 2015	#6
Heh, it was the first debate wrap up that caused me to take a GDP break last time	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#11
Thanks, Godhumor!	tex-wyo-dem	Nov 2015	#53
Thank you	azurnoir	Nov 2015	#78
a new funny for you bmus - correct the turntable! nt	edgineered	Nov 2015	#8
If I admit I know what that is I'll be dating myself.	beam me up scottie	Nov 2015	#12
the record is fine - this turntable though,	edgineered	Nov 2015	#15
Thank you. n/t	TDale313	Nov 2015	#5
Not a statistical analyst, but this is what I spotted so far.	jeff47	Nov 2015	#7
& they were screened prior to the debate. nt	hopemountain	Nov 2015	#50
Screening would be fine if they told us exactly how they were screened	jeff47	Nov 2015	#68
I thought PPP was supposed to be a top polling outfit	BainsBane	Nov 2015	#9
They are. But they also do sponsored polling at customer behest, including directions on conducting	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#13
Then the sponsored polls aren't accurate?	BainsBane	Nov 2015	#14
Customers can specify how a poll is conducted, if they wish to do so	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#16
I see	BainsBane	Nov 2015	#18
Actually, it might. This is a job they should have turned down	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#20
So from now on, all PPP polls will be dealt with a heavy dose of skepticism.	Weidman	Nov 2015	#33
And you just illustrated perfectly why PPP screwed up taking the job	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#39
It's kind of hard to say now whether PPP is unbiased or not. They have more $$$ to make from HRC!	reformist2	Nov 2015	#21
They take money to do polling for any Democratic leaning group or organization	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#22
I agree that No one should put stock into either the PPP poll or silly internet polls. n/t	tammywammy	Nov 2015	#10
K&R nt.	Juicy_Bellows	Nov 2015	#17
I won't even bother to look at it in that case.	bravenak	Nov 2015	#19
Don't. It is not a good night for PPP	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#23
I hate when Folks jump the shark like that.	bravenak	Nov 2015	#25
i generally look at polls for fun	restorefreedom	Nov 2015	#24
What's wrong with their methodology?	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#26
What were the screening questions? n/t	tammywammy	Nov 2015	#27
"Are you a democrat planning to watch the debate and answer a poll afterward?"	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#28
They could have screened for people who already have a preferred candidate. n/t	tammywammy	Nov 2015	#30
If they did that then that's trash.	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#35
It's best to just ignore this poll. n/t	tammywammy	Nov 2015	#38
And that is the problem with sponsored polls right there	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#34
Ah-hah. Now you've convinced me.	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#36
No problem. Easiest response is to shrug and call it a poorly designed poll	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#43
I always have to understand the thought process.	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#47
I mentioned in another post, even Nate Silver called PPP out	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#48
A lot, to be honest, but start with the participants weren't undecided voters	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#29
Then we need the pre-screen questions.	joshcryer	Nov 2015	#32
They also didn't rotate candidate names	JonLeibowitz	Nov 2015	#37
question number	riversedge	Nov 2015	#49
Well, it' served one purpose being posted here...	MrMickeysMom	Nov 2015	#31
The poll was designed to trick people	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#40
Good for you...	MrMickeysMom	Nov 2015	#51
I don't do this for a living but I do at times survive professionally based on stats and gathered	Bluenorthwest	Nov 2015	#66
In all honesty, I can't	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#69
PPP interviewed 510 Democratic primary voters nationally	BlueStateLib	Nov 2015	#41
Read through the thread for my other responses. It was a cooked poll	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#42
One source of bias: "Democratic primary voters."	hay rick	Nov 2015	#44
trying to be neutral here. Bernie has yet to make a positive pitch	SleeplessinSoCal	Nov 2015	#45
? Was this in right thread?	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#46
having been blocked by both Clinton and Sanders groups	SleeplessinSoCal	Nov 2015	#57
Sanders is being completely honest with you (and all of us).	stillwaiting	Nov 2015	#60
.....!	KoKo	Nov 2015	#73
Clinton referenced the revolution that didn't come.	SleeplessinSoCal	Nov 2015	#74
well I will give credit where credit is due and you deseve credit for this op	Bread and Circus	Nov 2015	#52
Agree.	840high	Nov 2015	#56
Thanks Gh	JackInGreen	Nov 2015	#54
Clinton Has To Purchase Twitter Followers	billhicks76	Nov 2015	#55
What utter B/S you might not believe this but	bigdarryl	Nov 2015	#61
The only times I hear about her support is when they release a poll...	reformist2	Nov 2015	#62
If we went by yard signs and bumper stickers,we	sufrommich	Nov 2015	#65
Agreed	billhicks76	Nov 2015	#63
If the findings are specious we will find out soon enough	DemocratSinceBirth	Nov 2015	#58
Many (most?) polls are designed to influence opinion, not measure it.	Scuba	Nov 2015	#59
Thanks for pointing this out,Godhumor.	sufrommich	Nov 2015	#64
Exactly	ismnotwasm	Nov 2015	#67
no, not in light of this poll....	riversedge	Nov 2015	#70
A second similar result doesn't excuse the sins of the first	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#71
Flash polls are inherently problematic	DemocratSinceBirth	Nov 2015	#76
Thank you for an honest professional opinion.	Hepburn	Nov 2015	#72
Yet its results are confirmed by a CBS poll thus validating the scientific method	DemocratSinceBirth	Nov 2015	#75
Similar results does not mean same rigor	Godhumor	Nov 2015	#77
Kick!	beam me up scottie	Nov 2015	#79
This message was self-deleted by its author	Cal33	Nov 2015	#80
I tip my hat	UglyGreed	Nov 2015	#81