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Smart Brother

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51. Correction: Obama tried to occupy the ground the Republicans were supposed to be standing on.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:15 PM
Nov 2015

For example, when you start with RomneyCare/HeritageCare instead of single payer, it may be good politics, but it's terrible governance. What you've done is taken away from the Republicans what they likely would've put on the table before seeing if they would. The GOP would've boasted about how great Romneycare was had Obama proposed single payer, and the compromise would've ended up being RomneyCare + a public option = "Obamacare."

Every honest person knows Obama did it the way he did because he wanted insurance company money for the Democrats, and proposing single payer would've ended that possibility.

You want to know why no Republican voted for RomneyCare/HeritageCare/Obamacare? Because they weren't allowed to put it on the table.

If someone's view is, as some in this thread have, that it's more important that Democratic President Obama "beats the Republicans" than it is that we end up with a public option in the final bill, then it shouldn't shock any of you when many Bernie Sanders supporters say it's "Bernie or Bust" because they don't care about the cheerleading.

I think the republicans in Congress will actively oppose both. Turbineguy Nov 2015 #1
I agree with your take on the Republicans and wish merely to note that KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #3
I agree fredamae Nov 2015 #29
I think that if compromise is needed then the one more willing to compromise will work better. upaloopa Nov 2015 #2
Thanks for your thoughtful response. This question continues KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #9
I don't think its a good question really BootinUp Nov 2015 #4
Hmm - and how do you answer your better question? Not meaning to snark but KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #10
Its open to debate, but that is what the primary is for. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #12
Sanders. He knows how to say "NO". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #5
Possibly Sanders PATRICK Nov 2015 #6
They hate Clinton - if you think they've TBF Nov 2015 #7
Not nasty to Obama, COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF THE UNIVERSE more like it, it CANT get any worse randys1 Nov 2015 #26
The Hate for HRC (and Bill) has been fredamae Nov 2015 #31
Clinton told us that she's proud to call the Republicans 'the enemy'. Dawgs Nov 2015 #8
Teabaggers/GOP will only be more effective with INVESTIGATING CLINTON. They have a visceral hatred in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #11
Bernie has been in Congress for decades longest Indy ever bkkyosemite Nov 2015 #13
So what is your friend's case? Bernin4U Nov 2015 #14
Great question. I am on this little tablet right now, which KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #15
Exactly. A "centrist" is a lose-lose! Bernin4U Nov 2015 #16
One thing is guaranteed: Maedhros Nov 2015 #28
If Hillary is anything like Bill (and so far she uses his policy stances quite a bit)... berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #17
MARTIN O'MALLEY, Actions not Words. elleng Nov 2015 #18
+1. I've had pretty much all day to peruse O'Malleys site. He's done it riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #40
+1, rider! elleng Nov 2015 #41
He's not polarizing. riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #43
Absolutely, he's NOT polarizing! elleng Nov 2015 #45
Exactly. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #49
HI, MAN! elleng Nov 2015 #50
No one. They will not deal with any President other than their own. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #19
Hillary has the backing of entire Dem party... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #20
That is a valid point you raise and I really appreciate it. Made KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #65
Sanders hands down AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #21
I don't know about Congress. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #22
Based on record (and Republicans themselves), no doubt it's Bernie Sanders Smart Brother Nov 2015 #23
Define "more effective" lostnfound Nov 2015 #24
Good point. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #47
good point you raise about defining terms. I suppose compromise is the KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #61
If Bernie is elected the political dynamic in Congress will be much positively affected Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #25
It's not the Republicans who will buck Sanders HassleCat Nov 2015 #27
I think a a better question is: Which candidate will be better WORKING AGAINST the Republicans? Maedhros Nov 2015 #30
^^^This^^^ yourout Nov 2015 #38
Correction: Obama tried to occupy the ground the Republicans were supposed to be standing on. Smart Brother Nov 2015 #51
The ACA was designed to be a political football, the primary purpose of which Maedhros Nov 2015 #59
I readily take your point. our system is premised on compromise. When KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #64
Our system is broken. Maedhros Nov 2015 #73
Cllinton worked with both Republicans and Democrats in her time as a Senator, she has an agenda and Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #32
Only Nixon could go to China 1939 Nov 2015 #33
Answer: neither. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #34
Clinton.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #35
Wishful thinking appears to be the norm for many around here Smart Brother Nov 2015 #44
To answer your questions: Rebkeh Nov 2015 #36
This one is easy....Clinton by a mile. And most of it would not be good. yourout Nov 2015 #37
Reality proves you wrong. Smart Brother Nov 2015 #42
Neither and if Clinton is elected she won't have time to work with Congress. Vinca Nov 2015 #39
Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #46
A Republican Congress will not cooperate with a Democratic President Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #48
While I think my question is important, I think your KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #66
Not having a Repub congress would be effective. oldandhappy Nov 2015 #52
Bernie has more legislative experience. ViseGrip Nov 2015 #53
Bernie Kalidurga Nov 2015 #54
Working "with" a party that refuses any compromise means that Hillary DJ13 Nov 2015 #55
hillary would be more able to compromise drray23 Nov 2015 #56
yeah, it seems as if my post is generating some interesting KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #71
Sanders has been in Congress since 1991 SheilaT Nov 2015 #57
Neither. one_voice Nov 2015 #58
To be effective with congress, one needs to start with the Democrats BainsBane Nov 2015 #60
A truly awesome analysis -- much appreciated - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #67
They'll be horrible with either Sanders or Clinton gollygee Nov 2015 #62
Agreed. These are dark days for the republic, but maybe not quite as dark as 1858-59. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #63
I can't really say, but obviously Sanders hasn't been very effective with his Democratic peers... George II Nov 2015 #68
I honestly am unsure what value endorsements have. I think it is KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #69
But since they're in Congress now (and there are roughly 130 Democratic Representatives... George II Nov 2015 #70
Or whom they handicap as the probable winner :) - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #72
The bottom line is that roughly 150 current members of the House/Senate...... George II Nov 2015 #74
Well put. It will remain for voters, if they so choose, to KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #78
Not a factor ibegurpard Nov 2015 #75
You do admit, I trust, that there will be 4, and probably 8 KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #79
Clinton will be super effective TheFarseer Nov 2015 #76
Excellent questions! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #77
They would just laugh their asses off if Bernie were to somehow get himself elected moobu2 Nov 2015 #80
And what do you foresee from that pack of scalawags, charlatans and demagogues, should KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #81
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