2016 Postmortem

AgingAmerican

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25. Bill Clinton did the same

Reply to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:51 AM

Nov 2015

And so did Carter.

Establishment Democratic candidates just don't win the presidency.

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The reason for such venom at Bernie and his supporters from HRC fans [View all] Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 OP

I hadn't specifically thought that the venom comes from the need to "double down" this time villager Nov 2015 #1

Left over venom RobertEarl Nov 2015 #121

The Zeal To Elect A Female President Has Overshadowed The Good Judgement Of Many cantbeserious Nov 2015 #2

You sound like the Pubes that support Carson. Darb Nov 2015 #70

HRC Herself Touted Her Gender At The Last Debate - Enough Said cantbeserious Nov 2015 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #145

One would think that this would only be true if Rep Women running for office did asw well as HRC Sheepshank Nov 2015 #90

Whoever Said The Observation Only Applied To Women cantbeserious Nov 2015 #94

Not really... vorgan24 Nov 2015 #150

This Is DU - Republicans Not Under Consideration - Comment Still Stands cantbeserious Nov 2015 #154

Feels that way Armstead Nov 2015 #3

The One That Cannot Be Named - Will Not Be Denied This Time - Or So The Story Goes cantbeserious Nov 2015 #6

You know, that is very true. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #10

There it is. MADem Nov 2015 #27

Thank you - ohheckyeah Nov 2015 #36

As I noted in a post below... Armstead Nov 2015 #51

Probably the most absurd characterization of a candidacy ever whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #55

It would be absurd if I thought you gave a hoot re: my response to your little query . MADem Nov 2015 #59

In essence, the hopeful and optimistic candidate always/usually wins. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #83

I'm tired of using logic, lets just use emotion BootinUp Nov 2015 #85

Then, by that argument you voted for Reagan? leveymg Nov 2015 #128

You may be right...or not Armstead Nov 2015 #50

Thanks for your well throught-out reply! NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #118

Here's my response. Believe it or not I'll agree with you up to a point Armstead Nov 2015 #123

WOW! NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #125

Yes. If we could all focus more on content rather than personalize everything Armstead Nov 2015 #135

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Well, to be fair, they used the sexist attack against Obama supporters too jfern Nov 2015 #4

yeah, I really don't think any of this is new. It's just business as usual. Win by any means liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #5

It's going to backfire...count on it. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #52

I don't care what the reason is. merrily Nov 2015 #7

Well, there are a few gaping holes ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #8

"Many, many of us... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #12

I guess you haven't seen any polls. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #16

You mean CNN and/ or DWS..Polls? laserhaas Nov 2015 #17

Sorry, I keep forgetting ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #18

Most polls are corporate owned... N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 2015 #96

And yet ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #107

Here is a link to aggregate polling DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #87

The unskew the polls is really annoying mythology Nov 2015 #134

I heard last night on the tweety show on MSNBC that HRC willvotesdem Nov 2015 #41

You said many on DU. n/t Dawgs Nov 2015 #67

Sure I've seen the polls... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #114

I'm in this thread ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #115

Perhaps I was in the minority... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #116

First off ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #120

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"It's Clinton's turn" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #129

Yes it does....they are called Democrats VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #31

yep, they're a dwindlling breed demwing Nov 2015 #64

I can attest to this scenario. Darb Nov 2015 #72

We need more Bernie venom to validate this ridiculous thread. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #81

You are wrong. Skidmore Nov 2015 #164

I agree with your post in a real life scenario, Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #20

A few thoughts / gaping holes with the gaping holes...... CanadianComrade Nov 2015 #23

"Talk about differences on the issues instead of trying to stab with talk of racism, sexism, .... " GoneFishin Nov 2015 #40

Right off the top ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #109

Well, right off the top.... CanadianComrade Nov 2015 #119

No, I actually ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #122

Uh -huh. You did. CanadianComrade Nov 2015 #139

Try actually reading. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #140

Of course you aren't..... CanadianComrade Nov 2015 #141

If you think ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #147

....except your post is still there.... CanadianComrade Nov 2015 #148

I'm sorry. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #149

You should be sorry. CanadianComrade Nov 2015 #151

Ah, yes ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #152

It doesn't matter in the slightest, really.... CanadianComrade Nov 2015 #156

What ev. n/t NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #159

Thanks So Much For Your Observation... Just Today I Was ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #155

Thank you.... CanadianComrade Nov 2015 #168

Where Did You Go NanceGreggs? I Used To Read Your Posts ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #153

I left in 2009 ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #160

So Sorry For Your Loss & I Do Remember You From Back. ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #161

Thanks so much for the kind words ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #165

Not even remotely true Godhumor Nov 2015 #9

Tiny amount, yes. murielm99 Nov 2015 #14

I'm gay and I believe that Bernie will represent my interests much better than Clinton. stillwaiting Nov 2015 #42

Saw a really zentrum Nov 2015 #11

That's what worries me more than anything... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #13

That's it exactly. zentrum Nov 2015 #21

Soooooo we should pick our candidate based VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #32

Not the point zentrum Nov 2015 #91

Bullshit! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #92

Charming. n/t zentrum Nov 2015 #98

Accuracy is not dependent on charm. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #99

I don't think I am smart enough to understand your post! NT hueymahl Nov 2015 #101

Thanks! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #105

When you responded to that statement did you have to look at the URL to make sure where randys1 Nov 2015 #102

It absolutely will result in bigger voter turnout for the GOP. I have no doubt about that. stillwaiting Nov 2015 #43

And Bernie will? Darb Nov 2015 #74

Or maybe its because of all the venom directed to HRC from Bernie fans, who were pnwmom Nov 2015 #15

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Not true. The venom began, as others have noted, in 2008, pnwmom Nov 2015 #22

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Dirty? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #33

Implying your opponent is a sexist Kentonio Nov 2015 #37

Oh implications now are dirty... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #45

There is a huge difference.. Kentonio Nov 2015 #54

Okay....if YOU call that dirty VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #60

Making a clear implication that another nominee is a sexist Kentonio Nov 2015 #63

what "clear" implication... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #66

Oh we've gone from shouting to screaming now have we? Kentonio Nov 2015 #77

By the end of the day it will be screaming. Would be funny if it was not sickening. djean111 Nov 2015 #88

The rediculous part is that Bernie wasn't even talking about Hillary, bvar22 Nov 2015 #104

You must have been a lurker reader of the board-having just joined today, you know about what riversedge Nov 2015 #26

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MIRT is on the case! Good for MIRT! nt MADem Nov 2015 #44

Bill Clinton did the same AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #25

Sanders is now saying establishment politicians can not make the type of changes we need Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #28

Oh, but the media always riversedge Nov 2015 #65

I expect Sanders statement will be twisted somehow. It has been before and will be again. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #71

No, what he is alluding to is that Citizen's United won't be fixed if Hillary Clinton is elected davidpdx Nov 2015 #131

My question is if this what Sanders is alluding to why i the hell does he allude to something, why Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #132

CU could be overturned in a number of different ways davidpdx Nov 2015 #133

Let me help you past this skepticism, Clinton knows CU is bad, wants to see this overthrown Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #136

I know that she has said she will and that is great davidpdx Nov 2015 #137

Let me ask you this, what guarantee do we have with anything a candidate says? I have heard lots of Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #138

I agree, there is zero chance the current court would overturn itself davidpdx Nov 2015 #143

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #34

You're wrong. Most Hillary supporters like Bernie. Most Bernie supporters hate Hillary. DanTex Nov 2015 #35

I think if most Bernie supporters hate Hillary.... smiley Nov 2015 #38

It says a lot about Bernie's supporters. DanTex Nov 2015 #39

nope x 2 smiley Nov 2015 #112

Nah, it says more about Bernie fans. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #47

nope.... smiley Nov 2015 #111

Nailed it Tex. Darb Nov 2015 #75

but the Bernie supporters are saying they will write him in... luvspeas Nov 2015 #80

From what I can see,the venom directed at Hillary is sufrommich Nov 2015 #46

You watched politics for 25 years and got it this wrong? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #48

Many of the ones here were in the Obama camp. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #49

+1. The split is straight down neoliberal libs vs progressive libs Catherina Nov 2015 #106

Since you mention folks who "defend" Obama ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #110

Interesting list. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #113

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My reaction is definitely not based on anything that happened in the 2008 primary. Skidmore Nov 2015 #56

Impossible! Blue_Adept Nov 2015 #61

I don't see it BootinUp Nov 2015 #57

I've been thinking this election is deja vu all over again. Vinca Nov 2015 #58

But so many of the Hillary supporters ARE Obama supporters! Blue_Adept Nov 2015 #62

Because Obama is now the establishment demwing Nov 2015 #69

They weren't Obama supporters until the 2012 election. Vinca Nov 2015 #89

Dr. Carl Jung DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #68

The flame-throwers are a minority at DU. randome Nov 2015 #73

If we somehow quantified the venom factor of the two camps here BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #76

But if we could bottle it and sell it, we'd be rich! randome Nov 2015 #78

The Fountain of Eternal Venom...we could market it as a life force BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #82

Lol...so completely self-unaware Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #79

The "venom" is aimed at Sanders supporters, not Sanders himself. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #84

+1000 betsuni Nov 2015 #126

Dirty Tricks? Faux pas Nov 2015 #86

Nope. I was an Obama fan from the start in 2007's primary season. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #95

Ohhhhhh... please postatomic Nov 2015 #97

I think it was Gandhi who wrote, “I like your candidate, I do not like your candidate's supporters.. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #100

Oy vey... randys1 Nov 2015 #103

I find it ironic that Sanders' supporters are complaining of being attacked. Beacool Nov 2015 #108

+1 SunSeeker Nov 2015 #146

So for someone like myself who supported Obama (and not Hillary), and who now supports Hillary … NurseJackie Nov 2015 #117

The professional left is as bad as the far right. Dawson Leery Nov 2015 #127

I elected to support Barack Obama in 2008. He was the stronger candidate who I believed BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #130

We are upset because you are weakening Hillary for the general JTShroyer Nov 2015 #142

I am? Personally, how can one person going overseas in four days again really Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #144

Please tell us where you saw someone call Sanders "a fascist, a sexist, a racist" George II Nov 2015 #157

There's no "venom." Someone's projecting again. nt Hekate Nov 2015 #158

... Is he is terrible as a candidate and would get crushed in the general election. stevenleser Nov 2015 #162

Steve, against that gaggle of slime on the GOP side, the Democrats could run Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #163

Is it a question of whether they ARE slime or rather BootinUp Nov 2015 #166

Agreed: Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #167