2016 Postmortem

pnwmom

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40. That WAS progress. They weren't screened out from enlisting.

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:09 PM

Oct 2015

And no one was thrown into jail for being outed.

You don't seem to be aware of how bad it was before DADT. Again, I'm not justifying DADT as the best alternative. But it WAS an improvement and the only compromise the Dems could get through Congress given the fervent opposition of the Joint Chiefs.

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Bernie did NOT categorically oppose gay marriage . . . [View all] markpkessinger Oct 2015 OP

Perhaps when Sanders has pointed out more than once the DOMA and Bill Clinton signed the bill Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #1

Clinton later ran an ad touting his support for DOMA ... markpkessinger Oct 2015 #2

Who brought up DOMA, did Bill Clinton or Bernie Sanders? Do you know the vote on this bill? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #4

What brought this up was Hillary being asked about her "reversal" ... markpkessinger Oct 2015 #6

"of her husband's position on gay marriage", Bill Clinton is not running, Hillary is. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #10

Why can't Hillary answer the question honestly? markpkessinger Oct 2015 #11

If you are going to talk about the candidates answering questions honestly then we have to hold both Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #14

I agree... markpkessinger Oct 2015 #38

Bill Clinton used his DOMA vote to pander to anti-gay forces & also pandered to anti-choice forces virtualobserver Oct 2015 #3

Is Bernie trying to do what is best for gay people in Vermont in light of the fact this has already Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #5

Yes, because all people need to know that their President isn't bullshitting them.... virtualobserver Oct 2015 #7

The point is Bernie has been on the side of LGBT folks his entire career . . . markpkessinger Oct 2015 #8

Just where do you think Hillary has been? If it is good enough to say Sanders has been on the side Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #12

She was categorically opposed to same sex marriage until what, two years ago? n/t markpkessinger Oct 2015 #13

A lot of people opposed same sex marriage, it does not mean Clinton has not fought for LGBT Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #15

Yes, she has but Bernie has done so more consistently. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #39

Bernie will not be president. I have memories also. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #41

HERE'S THE PROOF... Fearless Oct 2015 #9

Thank you. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #16

Hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right ... markpkessinger Oct 2015 #17

They can't run from her record on marriage equality so they attack Bernie's. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #18

Thank you. lovemydog Oct 2015 #19

I agree. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #20

Well-said lovemydog Oct 2015 #21

Sources should be vetted, unknown authors should be checked. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #22

No kidding. Like the one about how Sanders lovemydog Oct 2015 #25

I have defended Hillary from rw nut jobs for years. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #28

Peace out! lovemydog Oct 2015 #31

Then it sounds like he took a subtle, nuanced, and well-justified position. pnwmom Oct 2015 #23

The constitutional amendment was not pushed until 2002 --- markpkessinger Oct 2015 #24

Gay service members had been subject to court-martial and imprisonment pnwmom Oct 2015 #27

And after DADT, they still were. jeff47 Oct 2015 #34

They weren't excluded from service during the enlistment process. pnwmom Oct 2015 #35

The only progress was they couldn't ask on the enlistment form. jeff47 Oct 2015 #36

That WAS progress. They weren't screened out from enlisting. pnwmom Oct 2015 #40

Because dishonorable discharges are fantastic!! jeff47 Oct 2015 #42

An "improvement" that resulted in a far higher rate of discharge of servicemembers for being gay... markpkessinger Oct 2015 #37

Thom Hartmann called out this fictitious narrative markpkessinger Oct 2015 #26

And there's also this... senz Oct 2015 #30

Excellent OP. Well-reasoned, well-written. senz Oct 2015 #29

You are exactly right -- he took his time and carefully explained the situation as you described Samantha Oct 2015 #32

To answer the questions in your last paragraph: jeff47 Oct 2015 #33