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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. I'm all for civility, but the stakes are too high in this primary season to cause me to value
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 02:17 AM
Oct 2015

being polite over getting the right Democratic candidate.

You pointed your finger to the crucial issue in this primary season when you wrote:

Can't someone look at Hillary Clinton and see someone with a lifelong dedication to helping children, women, and the middle class? Someone who is obviously very smart and tough? Is John Lewis suffering from Stockholm Syndrome? Is Howard Dean corrupt? Is Wendy Davis not thoughtful?

Can't someone look at Bernie Sanders and see a highly principled public servant who is focused on reversing the great inequalities in our society? Someone who is untouched by the dirty money that sloshes around our political system? Someone who is drawing huge crowds and who has made true-blue liberalism mainstream again?


This election is about the corruption in our government.

Bernie Sanders is the first candidate in my lifetime to strongly and positively oppose corruption. Not only is he opposing the corruption that our campaign finance customs and laws encourage, but he is living his opposition by refusing contributions over $2700 per person and campaigning without the backup of one or more superpacs.

Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, although strong on certain issues like women and children (Bernie is just as strong on those issues and stronger on the race and prison and many other issues) is mired in the corruption right up to her neck. She is taking the money from the wealthy, the Wall Street billionaires, anyone who will cough it up.

Bernie is, in my opinion, our last chance to maybe get clean government at least for a few years.

I want a Bernie appointee heading the Department of Justice. I want a Bernie appointee heading the Commerce Department, the Agriculture Department, the Labor Department, the Treasury and every other department in the government.

The TPP would not exist; it would not be a question to argue about in this election, were it not for the extreme corruption throughout our government.

We would not have gone to war in Iraq and would not be concerned about war in Syria were it not for the corruption in our government.

We would be dealing with climate change in a rational way and would have reduced our carbon emissions to far less than they are now had it not been for the extreme amount of corruption in our government -- and especially the influence of the oil and gas and coal industries.

I know it is troubling for nice people to come to a website like DU and find so many nasty posts, so much argument, so much turmoil.

But, I am a 72-year-old woman, and I tell you, the stakes have never in my life or the lives of my parents and grandparents been this high.

The industrial revolution, the advent of the automobile and all the wonderful inventions we enjoy -- hey, the internet and cell phones and medical advances, and on and on, have given us great lives, great opportunities but the energy we burn when we use those amenities are killing our planet.

And it is the corruption in our government that prevents us from dealing with the slow destruction of our planet that is happening as we type.

Corruption. That is the issue in this election.

You pointed to it yourself.

Hillary represents business as usual. Her huge financial backing, her big donors, they represent the polluters of the world, those who view the future of our planet as not their problem. There is no way that a candidate can amass the sums that Hillary has pulled together without taking from the polluters and the destroyers of our earth.

Corruption -- that is what I am voting against this primary season, and that is why I am voting for Bernie Sanders.

We each have to make up our own minds.

I have made my decision.
It would be nice if that occurred wouldn't it still_one Oct 2015 #1
I'm an undecided voter as well Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #2
Listen to Bernie not us, it's not a popularity contest, and We're not the issues . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #56
Then many of his supporters should do Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #72
That's reasonable . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #76
Even though I have settled on who I will vote for, I agree with you. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #3
You missed some of the best OPs, the ones that call Bernie and his supporters White Supremicists, sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #4
Don't forget angry white men jfern Oct 2015 #5
I didn't see those, because I've only been back for a day or two. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #24
One is an altruist the other a Misanthrope. PERIOD. orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #57
I am definitely sympathetic to your plea. Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #6
We need to speak frankly. Will we nominate someone to the right of Obama or to the left. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #7
Screw civility, this is who we are mindwalker_i Oct 2015 #8
"Screw civility, this is who we are..." DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #9
Yeah, it's a shame how cali was alert stalked. cui bono Oct 2015 #11
The irony is an entire group of posters were targeted for... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #41
What group are you talking about? cui bono Oct 2015 #91
The group that was targeted. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #92
What group are you talking about? cui bono Oct 2015 #93
See Post #92 DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #95
What group are you talking about? cui bono Oct 2015 #98
See Post #95 DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #99
And here you always try to sound so reasonable yet you refuse to answer a simple question, cui bono Oct 2015 #101
By identifying the group that has been targeted I will be compounding the DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #102
Thank you for caring so much about Bernie supporters. cui bono Oct 2015 #103
I care about everybody. That's why I am a liberal. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #104
That person was getting hides and timeouts before the primary race started. Nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #43
I went ELEVEN AND ONE HALF YEARS before getting a hide. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #44
Happening too often and Skidmore Oct 2015 #87
Doesn't change the fact that cali was alert stalked by a MIRT member. cui bono Oct 2015 #90
It does change the facts actually. Since 85% of DUers support Bernie the vast majority stevenleser Oct 2015 #105
So you didn't go to the link I provided then. It's a clear cut case once you see the evidence. cui bono Oct 2015 #106
Which doesn't change the fact that her posting style earned the mythology Oct 2015 #107
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Oct 2015 #89
That's definitely not what I said mindwalker_i Oct 2015 #80
What is the opposite of civility to you? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #82
Civility is always good Utopian Leftist Oct 2015 #109
Speak for yourself. IMHO, humanity should embrace compassion and civility. MoonRiver Oct 2015 #79
These sorts of OPs would be better if they were even handed. cui bono Oct 2015 #10
I admit I didn't do a deep scour. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #23
Here's a little experiment you can do.. Fumesucker Oct 2015 #37
I gave that thread a rec, it was a good piece. n/t ms liberty Oct 2015 #47
That's true, too. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #75
I second that & it does turn me elsewhere tblue Oct 2015 #55
Unlike in the real world, there are more BS supporters here than HRC ones treestar Oct 2015 #62
No. There is no Sanders support site TM99 Oct 2015 #65
So much wrong in your post. Especially the reason HRC supporters created that hate filled site. cui bono Oct 2015 #100
complaining about complaining olddots Oct 2015 #12
here here NotHardly Oct 2015 #13
I'm all for civility, but the stakes are too high in this primary season to cause me to value JDPriestly Oct 2015 #14
With you. aidbo Oct 2015 #21
Fine, I totally understand that. Congratulations on your choice of candidate. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #22
That's a great question. Sincerely, Berniebro. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #26
Beats me. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #31
I agree with almost all of this. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #32
I heard Snowden answer a question about coming back to the US. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #40
HUGE, GINORMOUS HIGH FIVE! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #70
+1,000,000 cui bono Oct 2015 #94
It's the primaries. This is GD-P Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #15
I'm not saying people should agree. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #25
See my subject line. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #33
Le Taz Hot's post said nothing about agreeing. merrily Oct 2015 #46
And bluntly every single one of these Kum Ba Ya TM99 Oct 2015 #36
There are some hides treestar Oct 2015 #52
Try again Treestar. TM99 Oct 2015 #64
So here's the thing. If the results of a poster's work harms the candidate they are claiming to tout Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #66
You too have noticed a pattern ? TheFarS1de Oct 2015 #110
+1 merrily Oct 2015 #48
It's going to get worse, not better, before election season is over. Bubzer Oct 2015 #16
Hillary is going to prevent us from getting single payer healthcare and affordable college Zorra Oct 2015 #17
Do you think this kind of questioning of Clinton supporters will help convince them? BlueCheese Oct 2015 #29
That's just way out there treestar Oct 2015 #63
INDEED, WTF? in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #74
Great OP. Sadly, only "Clinton is a Poo Head" will get rated up at the current DU. McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #18
Don't forget "Bernie supporters are such Poo Heads." That's a classic. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #28
Why can't I rec this post more than once? LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #19
"I hate seeing this kind of internecine fighting." Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #20
Well, you opened the Gates of Hate with this post, didn't you? NBachers Oct 2015 #27
Good post. cwydro Oct 2015 #30
While we need to be more civil in general Aerows Oct 2015 #34
Don't blame the players when the game is the real culprit Fumesucker Oct 2015 #35
Don't hate the players . . . hate the game!! Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #42
Hope this thread is relatively new, ... bobGandolf Oct 2015 #38
April '14: "Hillary Clinton and the Future Failure of Progressive Hope and Change" RiverLover Oct 2015 #39
Whoomp, there it is. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #60
Damn! TM99 Oct 2015 #68
Seems to me that the owners of DU is quite comfortable akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #45
You're exactly right. ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #58
It's become performance art, a parody treestar Oct 2015 #49
This comment is perfect. nt betsuni Oct 2015 #54
Perfectly ignorant. RiverLover Oct 2015 #61
Hey, nonny no! betsuni Oct 2015 #67
Le Taz Hot nailed it. Ignore, hide thread and hide forum are your friends and effective. Use them. merrily Oct 2015 #50
Politics is dirty and nasty. bigwillq Oct 2015 #51
I'm hating it tblue Oct 2015 #53
Civility is fine. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #59
This is perhaps our LAST chance to take back government. 99Forever Oct 2015 #69
CNN - TIME WARNER in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #77
Calls for civility are always the first defense of the status quo - TBF Oct 2015 #71
Do you think personally insulting me (which your reply does) makes me like your candidate more? BlueCheese Oct 2015 #78
Nothing insulting there... AOR Oct 2015 #84
You personally insult every person in poverty when you tell them to shut up TBF Oct 2015 #85
+1 AOR Oct 2015 #83
Amen (n/t) FlaGatorJD Oct 2015 #73
Thanks everyone for their responses. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #81
And it's meta - which is supposed to be against TOS. TBF Oct 2015 #86
JDPreistly made a great point olddots Oct 2015 #88
But as someone who is a black gay man Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #96
Are threads calling out other threads that passed the jury system civil? aikoaiko Oct 2015 #97
I'm ice cold. LWolf Oct 2015 #108
I agree with your sentiment, but.. This is a message board. On the Internet. yodermon Oct 2015 #111
Many a paid GOP troll here to gin up Hillary hate and applegrove Oct 2015 #112
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