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MaineMen

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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:21 PM Aug 2012

Define middle class [View all]

I've always wondered what exactly middle class is, what defines it, and who gets to say what defines it. Is it solely based on yearly income? Should it take into account property? Somebody could win $100million lottery, opt for a bulk pay out, and for that year they'd be upper class (the one percent) but after that they could stop working, halt their income and be unemployed. They would drop back in "class" the next year while having vastly more wealth and maybe if they had little income, collect unemployment and food stamps (theoretically). Regardless of prior income, isn't the income range broad enough that there's actually a divide between upper middle class and lower middle class? A family that makes $100k would be middle class but wouldn't be anywhere close to the wealth of a family of the same size that makes $240k.

Where do we draw the line? Is it a dead stop at $250k and the next bracket is 45%? Do we add smaller rate increase brackets to tax the additional income until it reaches, say, $1million? How do we decide the cut off number? It should get adjusted for inflation shouldn't it? (for example, in the constitution you have the right to trial by jury for any amount over $20. Which was huge back then, but now having a jury trial for that amount seems like a gigantic waste of time). Various numbers that we believe should cap off the middle class have been proposed over the years. In the Bush tax cuts bill the senate(D) version had the cut off at $200k but the house (D) version had the cut off at $250k. Obama has proposed numbers from $100k to $1m and I recently heard him mention $3m in a speech. Does middle class even stop at an even number?

Another point, If a static number is proposed, then in a number of years everybody will be upper class technically. (I grew up in a house normal sized house that we got for $13k in the sixties and would now be worth almost $300k, yep it's still there too.) My point being that $13k would've bought you a nice house then and now it will get you half way to a decent car.

The $250k number has been being proposed for a while now, but doesn't that mean it's outdated? If we adjust for inflation (Which reading my reasoning above, we have to) shouldn't a bill proposing income after $250k be taxed at 45% from 2011 now be changed to $254k? (using the 1.6% inflation and cost of living increase congress decided to give the military for 2012). Next year it would be $258,318 using the predicted 1.7% cost of living and inflation increase for 2013.

My last point is (worded as a question because I want to know your opinion), should there be an exemption for small business owners (say under 50 people) because in my opinion they have larger personal income but it's not proportional given their expenses and paying employees and stuff.

Post your thoughts and opinions about "middle class"

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Define middle class [View all] MaineMen Aug 2012 OP
I think people who have businesses with under 50 people should be considered small business. southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #1
But what do you define as middle class? MaineMen Aug 2012 #3
Well I can't give you a clear answer to your question. I don't know that much. I just think a small southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #5
Thanks MaineMen Aug 2012 #16
Well lets put it this way. I think my sister did pretty well under Bush. She said if she could southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #19
I'm glad your sister is alright now. MaineMen Aug 2012 #25
That part abpout 60% tax in NY is ridiculous Progressive dog Aug 2012 #29
I have no problems with millionaires. But they get advantages that we just don't get. That isn't southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #33
Has little to do with salary or income, everything to do with current NET WORTH. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #2
That isn't answering the post though MaineMen Aug 2012 #4
Google is your friend EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2012 #6
Referring me to a campaign's website?... Really? MaineMen Aug 2012 #11
You seem to be making the mistaken assumption that DemocraticUnderground EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2012 #20
It makes sense but MaineMen Aug 2012 #28
If I have 200M sitting in various accounts, I can live off the interest. I don't need a salary. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #22
So you want to fix capital gains vs actually increasing the tax on income MaineMen Aug 2012 #27
You're still "trying to decide"??? Did you know that 1% of this country's population controls 40% of coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #34
I don't understand how $250K could be considered "middle class" Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2012 #7
Those numbers aren't coming from me MaineMen Aug 2012 #12
I didn't even know dsteve01 Aug 2012 #8
. MaineMen Aug 2012 #13
Simple - You still worry about paying the bills. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #9
Then what is the entire point of the cause? MaineMen Aug 2012 #14
I think you summed it up nicely. Yes, that's the case. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #15
So MaineMen Aug 2012 #18
I've proposed this before, but will again. Either cap the tax cuts or end the cap on SS taxes. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #21
Because there's also a limit on SS payouts MaineMen Aug 2012 #30
Fuck the caps. All around. I don't care if you earn $15K or $15M, keep the rates the same. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #32
It's hard to define spinbaby Aug 2012 #10
I agree MaineMen Aug 2012 #17
It's the Inequality, Stupid ... TBF Aug 2012 #23
someone making at least 36k a year for 2 people. craigmatic Aug 2012 #24
The middle class are people who own their own businesses but are not so rich that they can Blue Meany Aug 2012 #26
"middle class" by definition includes: Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #31
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