2016 Postmortem

MADem

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82. Although you lack the ability, apparently, to put words into context, you DO enjoy the gift of

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:36 PM

Oct 2015

literacy, and you can read my comments and reasonings--which I have offered you, what--THREE times, now, already--and figure it out.

I actually used the term "CIVIL MARRIAGE" in that thread (if you bothered to read it, and not just grab the gotcha and run). My objection is re: distinguishing between CIVIL UNIONS and MARRIAGE. I don't think the state should offer one to heterosexuals, and the other/implied as "lesser" to homosexuals. It should be the same title for all. Further, it should not have a religious imperative associated with it.

Everyone who wants to form a contract between two people that entitles them to file a joint federal tax return should leave religion OUT of it. That's my point. You disagree?

How interesting that you are now taking the view of the religious communities against my "separation of church and state" argument. You're arguing against my point that unions solemnized by the state should be secular in nature, and any religious accommodation should be done in superfluous fashion!

Well, isn't this fascinating!!! Who knew?

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PolitiFact agrees Bernie was "there" on gay marriage 20 yrs ago. AND Hillary's words from 2004 [View all] madfloridian Oct 2015 OP

Of course he was. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #1

Bernie was for letting each state decide on marriage equality moobu2 Oct 2015 #16

Do you know the story about glass houses and throwing stones? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #17

Hillary wasn't hiding her past positions moobu2 Oct 2015 #24

"the scheming little sneak who isn't even a Democrat." madfloridian Oct 2015 #26

Bernie Sanders is running as a Democrat so he can win. moobu2 Oct 2015 #28

"the scheming little sneak who isn't even a Democrat" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #50

one wonders what horrible thing the man has done to make some people loathe him so much. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #59

That one made the list: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #62

Don't forget 2008. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #68

Yep. The 3am phone call commercial was another. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #69

She'll have to divert most fire towards Biden. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #78

and this will make him a 3 time loser. moobu2 Oct 2015 #79

Just wondering: what grade are you in? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #81

Loser? Donald Trump, is that you? nt dorkzilla Oct 2015 #101

Under some circumstances, orgasms DO prevent cancer. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #85

True! I was surprised to see so many anti-orgasm people on DU. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #86

I'm not. There is a neo-puritan streak among some people, ive noticed. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #91

I'm guessing they took a vote on the meme "Bernie supports more orgasms!". beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #92

Instead they apparently want to have a debate on whose stance re:marriage equality was more Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #93

Yeah, that one wins the Irony Meter Destroyer of the year award. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94

you seem tense. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #72

And that's wrong because.....? Armstead Oct 2015 #21

Same sex marriage wasn't adopted by each individual state moobu2 Oct 2015 #23

It varied from state-to-state Armstead Oct 2015 #25

Not true. Massachusetts was the first to recognize equal marriage. No fight to the SCOTUS. merrily Oct 2015 #35

link? merrily Oct 2015 #33

It did violate states rights and that was a good argument against it at the time Report1212 Oct 2015 #34

Fact is, even Ted Kennedy said it should be left to the states. merrily Oct 2015 #36

And those of us who work on marijuana make states rights argus all the time Report1212 Oct 2015 #42

Exactly. This is such a non-issue it isn't funny. merrily Oct 2015 #43

Uh, he spoke up, took a position Aerows Oct 2015 #51

He was for states deciding marriage equality moobu2 Oct 2015 #52

He voted for DOMA which means he supported states' rights to enact marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #53

Bernie said he thought states should have the right to decide not to let same sex couple marry moobu2 Oct 2015 #55

Where did he say that? Let's see some proof that he wanted to deny lgbt rights. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #57

A stance that paved the way for individual states Aerows Oct 2015 #58

Bernie Sanders said he thought marriage equality should be left up to the states. moobu2 Oct 2015 #60

He has voted for gay marriage and gay rights every single time it came up. Aerows Oct 2015 #65

Don't care for Todd, Politifact is often iffy. But unfair attacks are not right. madfloridian Oct 2015 #2

Imagine that! Fearless Oct 2015 #3

That does it! I'm not voting for a flip-flopper like... brooklynite Oct 2015 #4

He was for civil unions in VT before he was for marriage equality. MADem Oct 2015 #10

Thanks for posting. DURHAM D Oct 2015 #12

So, "Sanders loves the NRA" wasn't getting enough traction? jeff47 Oct 2015 #15

Lgbt DUers asked him to stop doing that but he won't listen. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #45

You said: "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages." beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #56

I am not running for President or misstating my views on the topic. MADem Oct 2015 #61

So you "evolved" on civil rights for lgbt people? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #63

No.You did not read what I wrote. AGAIN. I have not evolved on civil unions vs. marriage for ANYONE. MADem Oct 2015 #73

Unlike you I didn't accuse marriage equality supporters of "crying" about it. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #76

That's because, unlike you, I can have a contextual conversation. MADem Oct 2015 #95

You: "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages." beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #96

HURRAH! At last--thank you for quoting me accurately--make EVERYONE get "civil marriages." MADem Oct 2015 #97

I think you should focus on defending the "cry" part of your post. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #98

No, I don't think I should. You might want to "cry" because you so woefully and gleefully MADem Oct 2015 #100

The OP is "knowledgable and principled". Supported Obama both times... madfloridian Oct 2015 #14

The latest crazy pretzel whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #18

Nice to see Sanders MyNameGoesHere Oct 2015 #5

Where was Hillary on Gay Rights in 1985?? 1995? DOMA? DADT? Her record on this is just sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #7

Straw man. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #9

Do you hae any idea how much of your own lack of knowledge on this subject you demonstrate with Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #13

Hillary's record on Gay Rights is just awful. They know this, Bernie's has been so consistent sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #6

What a surprise? NOT. But they already knew that. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #8

Yep, I'll just leave these here so everyone can see for themselves who's always been an ally: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11

+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #22

Hillary had almost the exact same position as Bernie in 2002. moobu2 Oct 2015 #19

Clinton changed her position after a 60% majority opposed her old position jeff47 Oct 2015 #20

Well? She's a politician, not a cult Savior figure moobu2 Oct 2015 #27

It demonstrates the difference between the candidates. jeff47 Oct 2015 #29

Bernie Sanders said he thought marriage equality should be left up to the states in 2008 moobu2 Oct 2015 #31

And Clinton thought it should be banned in 2008. jeff47 Oct 2015 #32

It doesn't matter what his record in the past was. moobu2 Oct 2015 #38

Then why are you talking about "his record in the past"? jeff47 Oct 2015 #39

I was responding to someone moobu2 Oct 2015 #40

Yeah...me. That's why my name was next to the post when you hit "reply". (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #41

Quit making shit up. TDale313 Oct 2015 #71

No, it is not all that matters. What a claim! merrily Oct 2015 #37

She was talking about "marriage'. She was for civil unions and domestic partnerships. moobu2 Oct 2015 #47

No she didn't, she OPPOSED same sex marriage until 2013. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44

Sanders was Okay with states denying people marriage equality. moobu2 Oct 2015 #48

He voted against DOMA in 1996 so that's another bullshit claim. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #49

That video of Hillary on Gay azmom Oct 2015 #30

Bernie voted against DOMA in 1996. That vote was him supporting marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #46

Does it matter when the evolution occurred so long as it has occurred? LonePirate Oct 2015 #54

It matters because... madfloridian Oct 2015 #64

It matters because Bernie voted against DOMA and never opposed same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #66

This is a fair point, and I don't think the SLATE writer who started this discussion would disagree MADem Oct 2015 #67

Unlike you some of us have always supported marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #70

And "some of us" are being deliberately obtuse!!! MADem Oct 2015 #75

So why did you say we were "crying" about marriage equality? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #77

Although you lack the ability, apparently, to put words into context, you DO enjoy the gift of MADem Oct 2015 #82

mmm hmmmm. Whatever you say, MADem. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #84

That IS what I say--if you take issue with my comments back in 2009, then you oppose separation of MADem Oct 2015 #88

And your characterization of those of us who demanded marriage equality as crying about it was what? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #89

Do continue to lack context--it shows everyone how you "make points." MADem Oct 2015 #90

It may not matter to you, but sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #74

+1 treestar Oct 2015 #83

no issue so important or unimportant that hillary wont lie about it to further her ambitions bowens43 Oct 2015 #80

Where did she lie -as you claim-on this issue? riversedge Oct 2015 #87

Here are Bernie's exact words from that c-span video: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #99

New meme coming up. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #102

From the crowd with ethics that would drive even an unreformed Grinch TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #103

Kick madfloridian Oct 2015 #104