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In reply to the discussion: PolitiFact agrees Bernie was "there" on gay marriage 20 yrs ago. AND Hillary's words from 2004 [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)32. And Clinton thought it should be banned in 2008.
If it were left up to Bernie Sanders same sex couple would still not have marriage equality today.
And if was left up to Clinton, the same thing would have happened. Again, she only changed position when her old one was no longer politically sustainable.
It's really baffling that Clinton supporters are trying to turn this into an issue. Because even if every false claim you are making about Sanders were true, his record is still much better than Clinton.
Bernie has libertarian views so some of them just line up with liberals but he's not a liberal really. He's not even a Democrat.
And I heard he doesn't call his mother!
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PolitiFact agrees Bernie was "there" on gay marriage 20 yrs ago. AND Hillary's words from 2004 [View all]
madfloridian
Oct 2015
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one wonders what horrible thing the man has done to make some people loathe him so much.
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2015
#59
I'm not. There is a neo-puritan streak among some people, ive noticed.
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2015
#91
I'm guessing they took a vote on the meme "Bernie supports more orgasms!".
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#92
Instead they apparently want to have a debate on whose stance re:marriage equality was more
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2015
#93
Not true. Massachusetts was the first to recognize equal marriage. No fight to the SCOTUS.
merrily
Oct 2015
#35
It did violate states rights and that was a good argument against it at the time
Report1212
Oct 2015
#34
He voted for DOMA which means he supported states' rights to enact marriage equality.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#53
Bernie said he thought states should have the right to decide not to let same sex couple marry
moobu2
Oct 2015
#55
Where did he say that? Let's see some proof that he wanted to deny lgbt rights.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#57
Bernie Sanders said he thought marriage equality should be left up to the states.
moobu2
Oct 2015
#60
Don't care for Todd, Politifact is often iffy. But unfair attacks are not right.
madfloridian
Oct 2015
#2
You said: "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages."
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#56
No.You did not read what I wrote. AGAIN. I have not evolved on civil unions vs. marriage for ANYONE.
MADem
Oct 2015
#73
Unlike you I didn't accuse marriage equality supporters of "crying" about it.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#76
You: "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages."
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#96
HURRAH! At last--thank you for quoting me accurately--make EVERYONE get "civil marriages."
MADem
Oct 2015
#97
No, I don't think I should. You might want to "cry" because you so woefully and gleefully
MADem
Oct 2015
#100
Where was Hillary on Gay Rights in 1985?? 1995? DOMA? DADT? Her record on this is just
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#7
Do you hae any idea how much of your own lack of knowledge on this subject you demonstrate with
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2015
#13
Hillary's record on Gay Rights is just awful. They know this, Bernie's has been so consistent
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#6
Yep, I'll just leave these here so everyone can see for themselves who's always been an ally:
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#11
Bernie Sanders said he thought marriage equality should be left up to the states in 2008
moobu2
Oct 2015
#31
She was talking about "marriage'. She was for civil unions and domestic partnerships.
moobu2
Oct 2015
#47
Bernie voted against DOMA in 1996. That vote was him supporting marriage equality.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#46
It matters because Bernie voted against DOMA and never opposed same sex marriage.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#66
This is a fair point, and I don't think the SLATE writer who started this discussion would disagree
MADem
Oct 2015
#67
Although you lack the ability, apparently, to put words into context, you DO enjoy the gift of
MADem
Oct 2015
#82
That IS what I say--if you take issue with my comments back in 2009, then you oppose separation of
MADem
Oct 2015
#88
And your characterization of those of us who demanded marriage equality as crying about it was what?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#89