2016 Postmortem

jeff47

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20. Clinton changed her position after a 60% majority opposed her old position

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Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:42 AM

Oct 2015

thus making her old position no longer politically sustainable.

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PolitiFact agrees Bernie was "there" on gay marriage 20 yrs ago. AND Hillary's words from 2004 [View all] madfloridian Oct 2015 OP

Of course he was. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #1

Bernie was for letting each state decide on marriage equality moobu2 Oct 2015 #16

Do you know the story about glass houses and throwing stones? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #17

Hillary wasn't hiding her past positions moobu2 Oct 2015 #24

"the scheming little sneak who isn't even a Democrat." madfloridian Oct 2015 #26

Bernie Sanders is running as a Democrat so he can win. moobu2 Oct 2015 #28

"the scheming little sneak who isn't even a Democrat" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #50

one wonders what horrible thing the man has done to make some people loathe him so much. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #59

That one made the list: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #62

Don't forget 2008. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #68

Yep. The 3am phone call commercial was another. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #69

She'll have to divert most fire towards Biden. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #78

and this will make him a 3 time loser. moobu2 Oct 2015 #79

Just wondering: what grade are you in? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #81

Loser? Donald Trump, is that you? nt dorkzilla Oct 2015 #101

Under some circumstances, orgasms DO prevent cancer. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #85

True! I was surprised to see so many anti-orgasm people on DU. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #86

I'm not. There is a neo-puritan streak among some people, ive noticed. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #91

I'm guessing they took a vote on the meme "Bernie supports more orgasms!". beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #92

Instead they apparently want to have a debate on whose stance re:marriage equality was more Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #93

Yeah, that one wins the Irony Meter Destroyer of the year award. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94

you seem tense. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #72

And that's wrong because.....? Armstead Oct 2015 #21

Same sex marriage wasn't adopted by each individual state moobu2 Oct 2015 #23

It varied from state-to-state Armstead Oct 2015 #25

Not true. Massachusetts was the first to recognize equal marriage. No fight to the SCOTUS. merrily Oct 2015 #35

link? merrily Oct 2015 #33

It did violate states rights and that was a good argument against it at the time Report1212 Oct 2015 #34

Fact is, even Ted Kennedy said it should be left to the states. merrily Oct 2015 #36

And those of us who work on marijuana make states rights argus all the time Report1212 Oct 2015 #42

Exactly. This is such a non-issue it isn't funny. merrily Oct 2015 #43

Uh, he spoke up, took a position Aerows Oct 2015 #51

He was for states deciding marriage equality moobu2 Oct 2015 #52

He voted for DOMA which means he supported states' rights to enact marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #53

Bernie said he thought states should have the right to decide not to let same sex couple marry moobu2 Oct 2015 #55

Where did he say that? Let's see some proof that he wanted to deny lgbt rights. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #57

A stance that paved the way for individual states Aerows Oct 2015 #58

Bernie Sanders said he thought marriage equality should be left up to the states. moobu2 Oct 2015 #60

He has voted for gay marriage and gay rights every single time it came up. Aerows Oct 2015 #65

Don't care for Todd, Politifact is often iffy. But unfair attacks are not right. madfloridian Oct 2015 #2

Imagine that! Fearless Oct 2015 #3

That does it! I'm not voting for a flip-flopper like... brooklynite Oct 2015 #4

He was for civil unions in VT before he was for marriage equality. MADem Oct 2015 #10

Thanks for posting. DURHAM D Oct 2015 #12

So, "Sanders loves the NRA" wasn't getting enough traction? jeff47 Oct 2015 #15

Lgbt DUers asked him to stop doing that but he won't listen. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #45

You said: "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages." beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #56

I am not running for President or misstating my views on the topic. MADem Oct 2015 #61

So you "evolved" on civil rights for lgbt people? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #63

No.You did not read what I wrote. AGAIN. I have not evolved on civil unions vs. marriage for ANYONE. MADem Oct 2015 #73

Unlike you I didn't accuse marriage equality supporters of "crying" about it. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #76

That's because, unlike you, I can have a contextual conversation. MADem Oct 2015 #95

You: "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages." beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #96

HURRAH! At last--thank you for quoting me accurately--make EVERYONE get "civil marriages." MADem Oct 2015 #97

I think you should focus on defending the "cry" part of your post. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #98

No, I don't think I should. You might want to "cry" because you so woefully and gleefully MADem Oct 2015 #100

The OP is "knowledgable and principled". Supported Obama both times... madfloridian Oct 2015 #14

The latest crazy pretzel whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #18

Nice to see Sanders MyNameGoesHere Oct 2015 #5

Where was Hillary on Gay Rights in 1985?? 1995? DOMA? DADT? Her record on this is just sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #7

Straw man. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #9

Do you hae any idea how much of your own lack of knowledge on this subject you demonstrate with Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #13

Hillary's record on Gay Rights is just awful. They know this, Bernie's has been so consistent sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #6

What a surprise? NOT. But they already knew that. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #8

Yep, I'll just leave these here so everyone can see for themselves who's always been an ally: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11

+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #22

Hillary had almost the exact same position as Bernie in 2002. moobu2 Oct 2015 #19

Clinton changed her position after a 60% majority opposed her old position jeff47 Oct 2015 #20

Well? She's a politician, not a cult Savior figure moobu2 Oct 2015 #27

It demonstrates the difference between the candidates. jeff47 Oct 2015 #29

Bernie Sanders said he thought marriage equality should be left up to the states in 2008 moobu2 Oct 2015 #31

And Clinton thought it should be banned in 2008. jeff47 Oct 2015 #32

It doesn't matter what his record in the past was. moobu2 Oct 2015 #38

Then why are you talking about "his record in the past"? jeff47 Oct 2015 #39

I was responding to someone moobu2 Oct 2015 #40

Yeah...me. That's why my name was next to the post when you hit "reply". (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #41

Quit making shit up. TDale313 Oct 2015 #71

No, it is not all that matters. What a claim! merrily Oct 2015 #37

She was talking about "marriage'. She was for civil unions and domestic partnerships. moobu2 Oct 2015 #47

No she didn't, she OPPOSED same sex marriage until 2013. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44

Sanders was Okay with states denying people marriage equality. moobu2 Oct 2015 #48

He voted against DOMA in 1996 so that's another bullshit claim. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #49

That video of Hillary on Gay azmom Oct 2015 #30

Bernie voted against DOMA in 1996. That vote was him supporting marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #46

Does it matter when the evolution occurred so long as it has occurred? LonePirate Oct 2015 #54

It matters because... madfloridian Oct 2015 #64

It matters because Bernie voted against DOMA and never opposed same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #66

This is a fair point, and I don't think the SLATE writer who started this discussion would disagree MADem Oct 2015 #67

Unlike you some of us have always supported marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #70

And "some of us" are being deliberately obtuse!!! MADem Oct 2015 #75

So why did you say we were "crying" about marriage equality? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #77

Although you lack the ability, apparently, to put words into context, you DO enjoy the gift of MADem Oct 2015 #82

mmm hmmmm. Whatever you say, MADem. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #84

That IS what I say--if you take issue with my comments back in 2009, then you oppose separation of MADem Oct 2015 #88

And your characterization of those of us who demanded marriage equality as crying about it was what? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #89

Do continue to lack context--it shows everyone how you "make points." MADem Oct 2015 #90

It may not matter to you, but sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #74

+1 treestar Oct 2015 #83

no issue so important or unimportant that hillary wont lie about it to further her ambitions bowens43 Oct 2015 #80

Where did she lie -as you claim-on this issue? riversedge Oct 2015 #87

Here are Bernie's exact words from that c-span video: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #99

New meme coming up. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #102

From the crowd with ethics that would drive even an unreformed Grinch TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #103

Kick madfloridian Oct 2015 #104