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11. Yep, I'll just leave these here so everyone can see for themselves who's always been an ally:
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:33 AM
Oct 2015
32 Years Before Marriage Equality, Bernie Sanders Fought For Gay Rights



But these are only very recent developments. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton may be champions of same-sex marriage now, but you don’t have to go far back to find a time when they weren’t. And hey, we’re happy to have their evolved support.

Not only did Sanders vote against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996 which defined marriage as between one man and one woman, signed into law by then-president Bill Clinton — an unpopular position then — a look back at Sanders’ political career shows consistent support of the gay rights movement. Even when it was more than just unpopular, it was downright controversial.

“In our democratic society, it is the responsibility of government to safeguard civil liberties and civil rights — especially the freedom of speech and expression,” Sanders wrote later in a memo. “In a free society, we must all be committed to the mutual respect of each others lifestyle.”

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“It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom as its goal, as the United States does, must work unceasingly to end discrimination against all people. I am happy to say that this past year, in Burlington, we have made some important progress by adopting an ordinance which prohibits discrimination in housing. This law will give legal protection not only to welfare recipients, and families with children, the elderly and the handicapped — but to the gay community as well.”

http://www.queerty.com/32-years-before-marriage-equality-bernie-sanders-fought-for-gay-rights-20150719


On LGBT Rights, Bernie Leads and Hillary Follows

Of course, Clinton has since evolved on LGBT rights, as many have. That's wonderful. But the problem is, she only came out in support of marriage equality after it was not politically risky to do so. In fact, by 2013 - the year Clinton announced her full support for marriage equality - Democratic support for same-sex marriage was the norm, not the exception.

On such an important moral issue that affects my life and the lives of thousands of other Americans, making decisions in this manner is rather despicable. Additionally, Clinton's habit of doing what polls deem politically popular is the reason why so many voters find her inauthentic. Now, if Clinton were the only option for the Democratic presidential nomination, I would understand why we should support her despite these flaws.

But she isn't the only option.

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, the longest-serving Independent in the history of Congress, is also running for the nomination. And unlike Clinton, his record on LGBT rights is historically excellent.

Sanders voted against DOMA, one of the few members of Congress to do so, at a time when such a stance was not politically popular. Four years after DOMA passed, Sanders helped champion Vermont's decision in 2000 to become the first state to legalize same-sex civil unions. This set a national precedent for LGBT equality achieved via legislative means. In 2009, when Vermont became the first state to allow marriage equality through legislative action rather than a court ruling, Sanders expressed his support once again. Truly, Sanders has been a real leader on LGBT rights, even if this leadership isn't recognized in the way that Clinton's current support is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-novak/on-lgbt-rights-bernie-lea_b_7662682.html


Bernie Sanders Was for Full Gay Equality 40 Years Ago

Today’s Supreme Court decision was a monumental moment in American history, as it guaranteed the right for gays and lesbians to get married and established full marriage equality.

Many politicians offered their words of support, including President Obama and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

Yet it is important to remember that Obama and Clinton both opposed marriage equality as late as early 2012. It is a testament to the work of thousands of activists over decades that the political class was pulled towards supporting equality.

There is however one prominent politician who did not wait so long to call for full gay equality: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

In a letter he published in the early 1970’s, when he was a candidate for governor of Vermont from the Liberty Union Party, Sanders invoked freedom to call for the abolition of all laws related to homosexuality:


http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago



Sanders: I was ahead of the curve on gay rights

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Saturday he has been waiting for the nation to catch up to his support for same-sex marriage.

Sanders’ remarks come a day after Friday’s landmark 5-4 Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.

He argued he was well ahead of the historic decision, unlike Hillary Clinton, his main rival for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.

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Sanders at the time served in the House of Representatives, which voted 342-67 in favor of DOMA. The Senate voted 85-14 in favor, before former President Bill Clinton signed it into law.

“That was an anti-gay marriage piece of legislation,” he added of the law that defined marriage at the federal level as the coupling of one man and one woman.

Sanders on Saturday praised Americans for creating greater opportunities for same-sex couples. Friday’s Supreme Court ruling, he charged, was not possible without national pressure for gay rights.

“No one here should think for one second this starts with the Supreme Court,” Sanders said.

“It starts at the grassroots level in all 50 states,” he said. “The American people want to end discrimination in all its forms.”


http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/246370-sanders-i-was-ahead-of-the-curve-on-gay-rights


Bernie Sanders was decades ahead of the country on gay rights and ending the war on drugs

Most Americans now support legally allowing gay and lesbian relationships, same-sex marriage, and personal marijuana use after decades of shifting public opinion. But one Democratic candidate for president, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, was calling for many of these changes decades ago.

In a 1972 letter to a local newspaper — which was recently resurfaced by Chelsea Summers at the New Republic — Sanders wrote that he supported abolishing "all laws dealing with abortion, drugs, sexual behavior (adultery, homosexuality, etc.)" as part of his campaign for Vermont governor:

These stances were far removed from public opinion at the time, according to Gallup surveys on marijuana and gay and lesbian rights. In 1972, 81 percent of Americans said marijuana should be illegal — which suggests even more would favor the prohibition of more dangerous drugs like cocaine and heroin. In 1977, the earliest year of polling data, 43 percent of Americans said gay and lesbian relations between consenting adults should not be legal, while 43 percent said they should be legal.


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But it took decades for the American public to come around to majority support on these issues: It wasn't until 2013 that a majority of Americans supported marijuana legalization, the early 2000s that most consistently responded in favor of legal gay and lesbian relations, and 2011 that a majority first reported backing same-sex marriage rights.

Sanders has carried many of these positions to this day. He was one of the few federal lawmakers to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act, the federal ban on same-sex marriages, in the 1990s. And while he told Time's Jay Newton-Small in March that he has no current stance on marijuana legalization (but backs medical marijuana), he characterized the war on drugs as costly and destructive.

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/7/8905905/sanders-drugs-gay-rights


Bernie Sanders' Views On Gay Marriage Show He's Been A Supporter For A Long Time

Now that he's officially announced he will seek the Democratic nomination for president and challenge Hillary Clinton, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders will be talking about his positions on major issues on the campaign trail, and one very big issue he has championed for years is gay marriage. Sanders, unlike some of his potential Republican opponents, seems like he would not turn down an invitation to a gay wedding (and he might actually get invited to one).

In 1996, then-Representative Sanders voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred recognition of gay marriage at the federal level (DOMA was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 2013). Sanders' and his home state of Vermont were the first to legalize same-sex unions in 2000, at first recognizing them as civil unions. Gay marriage has been legal in Vermont since 2009, and as The New York Times reported, Vermont was the first state to pass legislation in support of same-sex marriage, rather than in reaction to a court ruling.

On Tuesday, as the Supreme Court took up the issue of gay marriage, Sanders issued a statement on his website reaffirming his support, saying gay Americans in every state should be allowed to marry.

Of course all citizens deserve equal rights. It’s time for the Supreme Court to catch up to the American people and legalize gay marriage.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/79951-bernie-sanders-views-on-gay-marriage-show-hes-been-a-supporter-for-a-long-time


Is Bernie Sanders the Most LGBT-Friendly Candidate?

Bernie Sanders, the longest-serving independent member of Congress, is officially seeking the Democratic nomination for president in 2016, the Vermont senator announced in an email to supporters this morning.

"People should not underestimate me," Sanders told the Associated Press in an interview that broke the news of his candidacy Wednesday night. "I've run outside of the two-party system, defeating Democrats and Republicans, taking on big-money candidates and, you know, I think the message that has resonated in Vermont is a message that can resonate all over this country."

The self-described "Democratic socialist" wants to challenge the business-as-usual trend of big money in politics that he says dominates the current candidates — including Hillary Clinton.

The thrust of Sanders's campaign thus far — like his political career as the mayor of Burlington, Vt., 16 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, and the past seven in the U.S. Senate — has focused on supporting working-class Americans through elevated taxes on the wealthy and correcting income inequality "which is now reaching obscene levels," he told the AP.

But Sanders has also been a steadfast and reliable supporter of LGBT equality, supporting the Employment Non-Discrimination Act when it passed the Senate in 2013 and even calling on President Obama to evolve already and support marriage equality in 2011. He's a cosponsor of the federal LGBT-inclusive Student Non-Discrimination Act and has consistently voted against bills seeking to amend the Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, while cosponsoring a bill that would repeal the remaining portions of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act. Sanders has a perfect score of 100 percent on the Human Rights Campaign's latest Congressional Equality Index.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/election/2015/04/30/bernie-sanders-most-lgbt-friendly-candidate


Of course he was. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #1
Bernie was for letting each state decide on marriage equality moobu2 Oct 2015 #16
Do you know the story about glass houses and throwing stones? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #17
Hillary wasn't hiding her past positions moobu2 Oct 2015 #24
"the scheming little sneak who isn't even a Democrat." madfloridian Oct 2015 #26
Bernie Sanders is running as a Democrat so he can win. moobu2 Oct 2015 #28
"the scheming little sneak who isn't even a Democrat" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #50
one wonders what horrible thing the man has done to make some people loathe him so much. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #59
That one made the list: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #62
Don't forget 2008. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #68
Yep. The 3am phone call commercial was another. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #69
She'll have to divert most fire towards Biden. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #78
and this will make him a 3 time loser. moobu2 Oct 2015 #79
Just wondering: what grade are you in? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #81
Loser? Donald Trump, is that you? nt dorkzilla Oct 2015 #101
Under some circumstances, orgasms DO prevent cancer. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #85
True! I was surprised to see so many anti-orgasm people on DU. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #86
I'm not. There is a neo-puritan streak among some people, ive noticed. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #91
I'm guessing they took a vote on the meme "Bernie supports more orgasms!". beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #92
Instead they apparently want to have a debate on whose stance re:marriage equality was more Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #93
Yeah, that one wins the Irony Meter Destroyer of the year award. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94
you seem tense. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #72
And that's wrong because.....? Armstead Oct 2015 #21
Same sex marriage wasn't adopted by each individual state moobu2 Oct 2015 #23
It varied from state-to-state Armstead Oct 2015 #25
Not true. Massachusetts was the first to recognize equal marriage. No fight to the SCOTUS. merrily Oct 2015 #35
link? merrily Oct 2015 #33
It did violate states rights and that was a good argument against it at the time Report1212 Oct 2015 #34
Fact is, even Ted Kennedy said it should be left to the states. merrily Oct 2015 #36
And those of us who work on marijuana make states rights argus all the time Report1212 Oct 2015 #42
Exactly. This is such a non-issue it isn't funny. merrily Oct 2015 #43
Uh, he spoke up, took a position Aerows Oct 2015 #51
He was for states deciding marriage equality moobu2 Oct 2015 #52
He voted for DOMA which means he supported states' rights to enact marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #53
Bernie said he thought states should have the right to decide not to let same sex couple marry moobu2 Oct 2015 #55
Where did he say that? Let's see some proof that he wanted to deny lgbt rights. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #57
A stance that paved the way for individual states Aerows Oct 2015 #58
Bernie Sanders said he thought marriage equality should be left up to the states. moobu2 Oct 2015 #60
He has voted for gay marriage and gay rights every single time it came up. Aerows Oct 2015 #65
Don't care for Todd, Politifact is often iffy. But unfair attacks are not right. madfloridian Oct 2015 #2
Imagine that! Fearless Oct 2015 #3
That does it! I'm not voting for a flip-flopper like... brooklynite Oct 2015 #4
He was for civil unions in VT before he was for marriage equality. MADem Oct 2015 #10
Thanks for posting. DURHAM D Oct 2015 #12
So, "Sanders loves the NRA" wasn't getting enough traction? jeff47 Oct 2015 #15
Lgbt DUers asked him to stop doing that but he won't listen. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #45
You said: "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages." beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #56
I am not running for President or misstating my views on the topic. MADem Oct 2015 #61
So you "evolved" on civil rights for lgbt people? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #63
No.You did not read what I wrote. AGAIN. I have not evolved on civil unions vs. marriage for ANYONE. MADem Oct 2015 #73
Unlike you I didn't accuse marriage equality supporters of "crying" about it. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #76
That's because, unlike you, I can have a contextual conversation. MADem Oct 2015 #95
You: "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages." beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #96
HURRAH! At last--thank you for quoting me accurately--make EVERYONE get "civil marriages." MADem Oct 2015 #97
I think you should focus on defending the "cry" part of your post. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #98
No, I don't think I should. You might want to "cry" because you so woefully and gleefully MADem Oct 2015 #100
The OP is "knowledgable and principled". Supported Obama both times... madfloridian Oct 2015 #14
The latest crazy pretzel whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #18
Nice to see Sanders MyNameGoesHere Oct 2015 #5
Where was Hillary on Gay Rights in 1985?? 1995? DOMA? DADT? Her record on this is just sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #7
Straw man. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #9
Do you hae any idea how much of your own lack of knowledge on this subject you demonstrate with Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #13
Hillary's record on Gay Rights is just awful. They know this, Bernie's has been so consistent sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #6
What a surprise? NOT. But they already knew that. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #8
Yep, I'll just leave these here so everyone can see for themselves who's always been an ally: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11
+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #22
Hillary had almost the exact same position as Bernie in 2002. moobu2 Oct 2015 #19
Clinton changed her position after a 60% majority opposed her old position jeff47 Oct 2015 #20
Well? She's a politician, not a cult Savior figure moobu2 Oct 2015 #27
It demonstrates the difference between the candidates. jeff47 Oct 2015 #29
Bernie Sanders said he thought marriage equality should be left up to the states in 2008 moobu2 Oct 2015 #31
And Clinton thought it should be banned in 2008. jeff47 Oct 2015 #32
It doesn't matter what his record in the past was. moobu2 Oct 2015 #38
Then why are you talking about "his record in the past"? jeff47 Oct 2015 #39
I was responding to someone moobu2 Oct 2015 #40
Yeah...me. That's why my name was next to the post when you hit "reply". (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #41
Quit making shit up. TDale313 Oct 2015 #71
No, it is not all that matters. What a claim! merrily Oct 2015 #37
She was talking about "marriage'. She was for civil unions and domestic partnerships. moobu2 Oct 2015 #47
No she didn't, she OPPOSED same sex marriage until 2013. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44
Sanders was Okay with states denying people marriage equality. moobu2 Oct 2015 #48
He voted against DOMA in 1996 so that's another bullshit claim. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #49
That video of Hillary on Gay azmom Oct 2015 #30
Bernie voted against DOMA in 1996. That vote was him supporting marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #46
Does it matter when the evolution occurred so long as it has occurred? LonePirate Oct 2015 #54
It matters because... madfloridian Oct 2015 #64
It matters because Bernie voted against DOMA and never opposed same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #66
This is a fair point, and I don't think the SLATE writer who started this discussion would disagree MADem Oct 2015 #67
Unlike you some of us have always supported marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #70
And "some of us" are being deliberately obtuse!!! MADem Oct 2015 #75
So why did you say we were "crying" about marriage equality? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #77
Although you lack the ability, apparently, to put words into context, you DO enjoy the gift of MADem Oct 2015 #82
mmm hmmmm. Whatever you say, MADem. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #84
That IS what I say--if you take issue with my comments back in 2009, then you oppose separation of MADem Oct 2015 #88
And your characterization of those of us who demanded marriage equality as crying about it was what? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #89
Do continue to lack context--it shows everyone how you "make points." MADem Oct 2015 #90
It may not matter to you, but sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #74
+1 treestar Oct 2015 #83
no issue so important or unimportant that hillary wont lie about it to further her ambitions bowens43 Oct 2015 #80
Where did she lie -as you claim-on this issue? riversedge Oct 2015 #87
Here are Bernie's exact words from that c-span video: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #99
New meme coming up. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #102
From the crowd with ethics that would drive even an unreformed Grinch TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #103
Kick madfloridian Oct 2015 #104
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