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Response to SonderWoman (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:28 PM

57. Yes, they are different.

Military option? Check.
Unwavering support for Israel? Check.
Supports Iran deal? Check.

Of course. Most dems would say yes to those things, put that way. The difference is in the details.

No one is going to take the military options off the table. That doesn't mean they are equally inclined to use them. Hillary's and Bernie's positions and votes in the past tell you something about their willingness/eagerness to use them. And you can even see the difference in tone in today's rhetoric.

Bernie: "Yes, the military option should always be on the table, but it should be the last option. We have got to do everything we can do to reach an agreement to ensure that Iran does not get a nuclear weapon without having to go to war."

Hillary: "The Iranians and the world need to understand that we will act decisively if we need to. So here's my message to Iran's leaders. The United States will never allow you to acquire a nuclear weapon...I will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon."

As the article about Hillary's speech at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-iran-foreign-policy_55f05c2ae4b002d5c07786b2 put it, "While Obama has always insisted that military action against Iran remained on the table, he generally avoided issuing what could be construed as an outright threat."

Even besides the tone, note the difference in the detail. Hillary will not hesitate to take military action if they even *attempt* to obtain a nuclear weapon. That doesn't sound like using the military as "the last option," as Bernie put it.

Of course they both support Israel. But Bernie refused to attend when Netanyahu recently addressed congress. He said "I am not a great fan of President Netanyahu" in an article subheaded "The Vermont senator is the lone presidential candidate to voice his displeasure with the Israeli government." (see http://www.salon.com/2015/06/16/bernie_sanders_im_not_a_great_fan_of_benjamin_netanyahu_partner/ )

OTOH, according to the same article mentioned above, Hillary said "that she’d invite Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to visit the White House within her first month in office, noting that 'tough love' for the country is counterproductive because it invites other countries to delegitimize Israel." You may agree or disagree with Hillary's view, but it is not the same as Bernie's, even though they both support Israel.

Despite agreeing on the broad strokes, I don't think it is reasonable to conclude that the two are identical in hawkishness or in how they would intend to deal with the current Israeli government.

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