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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: At this moment what do you think Bernies chances of winning the nomination are? [View all]Garrett78
(10,721 posts)29. Not precisely the same results. And voting still matters. But...
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As Robert Jensen wrote, "No matter who votes in elections, powerful unelected forcesthe captains of industry and financeset the parameters of political action. Voting matters, but it matters far less than most people believe, or want to believe."Those parameters are set not only during the general election but also during the primary season. And a truly leftist/progressive vision sits outside of those parameters. Sanders knows that and said as much. His campaign, in my mind, has never been about winning. It's about trying to force Clinton at least a little to the left and inspiring a grassroots movement that will, as I said before, broaden the parameters--so that the captains of industry and finance lose influence.
Clinton would still be better than whoever the Republican Party nominates, but I'm afraid her administration would be a little to the right of Obama's. Maybe Bernie's campaign will inspire enough people to hold her accountable. Or at least make it so she doesn't embrace her corporate allegiances to the fullest extent possible. I honestly think that's the best we can hope for. Clinton has always been a hawkish neoliberal with views on social issues that make her the lesser evil.
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At this moment what do you think Bernies chances of winning the nomination are? [View all]
Tierra_y_Libertad
Sep 2015
OP
I wouldn't predict until after the first debate. Who knows, O'Malley could do such a great job
seaglass
Sep 2015
#7
OK, I don't have any evidence to predict now, only feelings and that seems like a stupid basis
seaglass
Sep 2015
#9
Yes. It's so important to stress that Bernie's support is overwhelmingly positive
RufusTFirefly
Sep 2015
#26
25% chance of winning IA; 40% chance of winning NH; 10% chance of winning SC; downhill from there
brooklynite
Sep 2015
#11
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Gandhi
Tierra_y_Libertad
Sep 2015
#14
100% sure hell win, but voted 90% due to the establishments Diebold advantage.
NorthCarolina
Sep 2015
#15
Marginally better than Andre Berto's chances of upsetting Floyd Mayweather this Saturday.
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2015
#27