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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Howard Dean claims that Hillary is our best bet for 2016. I disagree. [View all]JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)74. More facts about this: (from a report published in 2005)
Actually, Mrs. Clinton has a mixed record on the bankruptcy bill, which wended its way through Congress over the course of several years, and on fighting the banks, which are a major constituency and major source of campaign contributions in New York.
The bankruptcy legislation was sought by banks and credit card companies, which wanted to make it harder for consumers to use the bankruptcy laws to walk away from their debts.
As first lady, Mrs. Clinton worked against the bill. She helped kill one version of it, then another version passed, which her husband vetoed. As a senator, in 2001, she voted for it, but it did not pass. When it came up again in 2005, she missed the vote because her husband was in the hospital, although she indicated she would have opposed it.
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The bill popped up again 2001, which was Mrs. Clintons first year in the Senate. She worked with Republicans on it and was one of 36 Democrats who helped it pass the Senate, saying it had been improved from when she opposed it. Still, this version was vigorously opposed by consumer groups and unions, and ultimately did not become law.
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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/clinton-and-the-bankruptcy-law/?_r=0
The 2005 bankruptcy bill hurt students and former students with student debt really badly because it excludes a broad range of education or student loan debt from eligibility for discharge, that is forgiveness by a bankruptcy court.
This means that a business executive, let's take Trump as an example, can take his corporations into bankruptcy court and either hold the threat of a discharge or forgiveness of the money he owes his lenders, his creditors over their heads until they forgive some of it but a 24-year-old who owes $40,000 in student loans and for some reason cannot pay them cannot get that debt forgiven by the bankruptcy court in most cases. It's much harder for the student to get an education-related loan forgiven by the court than some spendthrift, irresponsible corporation.
To me, that is a perversion of justice.
Students should be able to go to school for free.
Some suggest that students who get the forgiveness of college or post-secondary education debt should have to volunteer or work to pay back the debt. That reminds me very much of the old indentured servitude system when immigrants to America in the early days of our country were indentured servants for a period of time, even years in situations like a sort of slavery that had a predictable end (not meaning to make of slavery less of a wrong, less of a crime, but to indicate the kind of relationship that the indentured servant potentially had with the master for the duration of the servitude. So I think that is not the answer.
To me, the answer is to tax everyone to support state schools and to lower or provide free tuition for state schools.
Bernie is on the right track with regard to student loans in my view.
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Howard Dean claims that Hillary is our best bet for 2016. I disagree. [View all]
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
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The Iroquois believed all decisions should consider the impact on the next 7 generations.
WDIM
Sep 2015
#47
Of course Sanders would be LESS likely to try and change the culture...if he ended up losing
brooklynite
Sep 2015
#63
I don't think that at all. It's Sanders supporters who can't seem to allow others to express their
Metric System
Sep 2015
#6
No, by attacking and demonizing anyone who dares to support Hillary over Bernie.
Metric System
Sep 2015
#22
For fuck sake. There is a massive gap for me between claiming someone is wrong
Ed Suspicious
Sep 2015
#27
Do you think it's OK for Sanders supporters to inundate his Facebook page simply because he
Metric System
Sep 2015
#33
Be prepard for crickets....Just that you're a bad person for saying "mean things"
Armstead
Sep 2015
#36
Delegates can change their minds. And they will if the primary results suggest that
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#59
If you think bombarding Howard Dean's Facebook page with angry and threatening posts is
Metric System
Sep 2015
#26
Is the op's factual thoughtful point by point analysis throwing mud? Not in my mind.
Vincardog
Sep 2015
#37
I will take Dean's learned opinion over some guy on the internet. n/t
Evergreen Emerald
Sep 2015
#11
Flag-burning has always been a major threat . . . . to some dictator somewhere in the world.
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#60
When I learned about flag etiquette burning was the proper disposal method for flags
Vincardog
Sep 2015
#38
She moistened her finger, put it in the wind, and decided that that was the way to go.
kath
Sep 2015
#41
She's a weak candidate now and will be weaker if she gets the nomination.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Sep 2015
#46
Does this mean Howard Dean is not entitled to have an opinion and to speak freely of his opinion?
Thinkingabout
Sep 2015
#51
Howard Dean is not only entitled to his opinion, but because of the position he has earned,
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#61
Rebuttal, on the Goldwater staunch supporter, FACT: Goldwater ran for president in 1964.
Thinkingabout
Sep 2015
#66