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JDPriestly

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74. More facts about this: (from a report published in 2005)
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 07:11 PM
Sep 2015
Actually, Mrs. Clinton has a mixed record on the bankruptcy bill, which wended its way through Congress over the course of several years, and on fighting the banks, which are a major constituency and major source of campaign contributions in New York.

The bankruptcy legislation was sought by banks and credit card companies, which wanted to make it harder for consumers to use the bankruptcy laws to walk away from their debts.

As first lady, Mrs. Clinton worked against the bill. She helped kill one version of it, then another version passed, which her husband vetoed. As a senator, in 2001, she voted for it, but it did not pass. When it came up again in 2005, she missed the vote because her husband was in the hospital, although she indicated she would have opposed it.

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The bill popped up again 2001, which was Mrs. Clinton’s first year in the Senate. She worked with Republicans on it and was one of 36 Democrats who helped it pass the Senate, saying it had been improved from when she opposed it. Still, this version was vigorously opposed by consumer groups and unions, and ultimately did not become law.

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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/clinton-and-the-bankruptcy-law/?_r=0

The 2005 bankruptcy bill hurt students and former students with student debt really badly because it excludes a broad range of education or student loan debt from eligibility for discharge, that is forgiveness by a bankruptcy court.

This means that a business executive, let's take Trump as an example, can take his corporations into bankruptcy court and either hold the threat of a discharge or forgiveness of the money he owes his lenders, his creditors over their heads until they forgive some of it but a 24-year-old who owes $40,000 in student loans and for some reason cannot pay them cannot get that debt forgiven by the bankruptcy court in most cases. It's much harder for the student to get an education-related loan forgiven by the court than some spendthrift, irresponsible corporation.

To me, that is a perversion of justice.

Students should be able to go to school for free.

Some suggest that students who get the forgiveness of college or post-secondary education debt should have to volunteer or work to pay back the debt. That reminds me very much of the old indentured servitude system when immigrants to America in the early days of our country were indentured servants for a period of time, even years in situations like a sort of slavery that had a predictable end (not meaning to make of slavery less of a wrong, less of a crime, but to indicate the kind of relationship that the indentured servant potentially had with the master for the duration of the servitude. So I think that is not the answer.

To me, the answer is to tax everyone to support state schools and to lower or provide free tuition for state schools.

Bernie is on the right track with regard to student loans in my view.
Maybe by 2106 her positions will "evolve" enough WDIM Sep 2015 #1
In 2106 I'm suspecting I would be dead by then LynneSin Sep 2015 #25
Hey now Flying Squirrel Sep 2015 #31
The Iroquois believed all decisions should consider the impact on the next 7 generations. WDIM Sep 2015 #47
To Hillary's supporters, policy is irrelevant LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #58
You are, of course, correct. Maedhros Sep 2015 #2
Of course Sanders would be LESS likely to try and change the culture...if he ended up losing brooklynite Sep 2015 #63
The question is Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #3
Is anyone allowed to support Hillary? Metric System Sep 2015 #4
of course they are! ibegurpard Sep 2015 #5
I don't think that at all. It's Sanders supporters who can't seem to allow others to express their Metric System Sep 2015 #6
You can write what you want on DU. You can respond to any JDPriestly Sep 2015 #8
Oh I know...those awful Sanders supporters! ibegurpard Sep 2015 #9
How, by not agreeing with you? daleanime Sep 2015 #21
No, by attacking and demonizing anyone who dares to support Hillary over Bernie. Metric System Sep 2015 #22
For fuck sake. There is a massive gap for me between claiming someone is wrong Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #27
Do you think it's OK for Sanders supporters to inundate his Facebook page simply because he Metric System Sep 2015 #33
Yes it's okay...That's why they have that little "write a comment" button Armstead Sep 2015 #39
Have I let that stop me... daleanime Sep 2015 #30
The OP was not attacking "anyone who dares to support Hillary" Armstead Sep 2015 #34
Cite the quote from my OP that demonizes anyone who supports JDPriestly Sep 2015 #42
I have stated my opinion, and some of my reasons for it. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #7
Be prepard for crickets....Just that you're a bad person for saying "mean things" Armstead Sep 2015 #36
the fed audit was a huge deal questionseverything Sep 2015 #50
"Tell me why you think Hillary is the best candidate." I'll play. BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #52
It's early in the campaign. We haven't even held our first debate. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #54
Not a Clinton Supporter yet... onpatrol98 Sep 2015 #57
Delegates can change their minds. And they will if the primary results suggest that JDPriestly Sep 2015 #59
Is anyone allowed to disagree with endorsements? m-lekktor Sep 2015 #10
NO! ibegurpard Sep 2015 #13
All those endorsements from party leaders who have jwirr Sep 2015 #72
If you think bombarding Howard Dean's Facebook page with angry and threatening posts is Metric System Sep 2015 #26
I just looked at Dean's page.... Armstead Sep 2015 #35
Is the op's factual thoughtful point by point analysis throwing mud? Not in my mind. Vincardog Sep 2015 #37
can you provide examples of some of those "angry and threatening posts"? frylock Sep 2015 #62
Has anyone disallowed it? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #14
I will take Dean's learned opinion over some guy on the internet. n/t Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 #11
Speaking of internet opinions... TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #29
I'll read both.... daleanime Sep 2015 #32
But what if my opinion is more learned than his? JDPriestly Sep 2015 #43
She should live so long. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2015 #12
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #15
Reaching across the aisle FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #16
You really said it. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #44
This goes against what Howard has been saying for years Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #17
I didn't know Hillary co-sponsored a flag burning bill. jalan48 Sep 2015 #18
I would guess she thought it was a smart political move dflprincess Sep 2015 #19
Some Democrats really are turning into Republicans. Unreal. jalan48 Sep 2015 #20
Yup. John Poet Sep 2015 #23
Flag-burning has always been a major threat . . . . to some dictator somewhere in the world. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #60
When I learned about flag etiquette burning was the proper disposal method for flags Vincardog Sep 2015 #38
Very good question. And yes I learned that also. jwirr Sep 2015 #73
She moistened her finger, put it in the wind, and decided that that was the way to go. kath Sep 2015 #41
Dean never got over being destroyed by the elite's in his party Geronimoe Sep 2015 #24
I campaigned for Bernie at a community event tonight, a very casual JDPriestly Sep 2015 #45
I still remain with Hill, but I must acknowledge the effort oasis Sep 2015 #40
Well done. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #48
She's a weak candidate now and will be weaker if she gets the nomination. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #46
Hall of Fame post! Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #49
Does this mean Howard Dean is not entitled to have an opinion and to speak freely of his opinion? Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #51
Yes, "I disagree and here is why" is exactly the same jeff47 Sep 2015 #55
Think I have heard the "Shut up" comment before. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #65
As have I. Many times. Doesn't mean this person is saying it though. jeff47 Sep 2015 #67
Howard Dean is not only entitled to his opinion, but because of the position he has earned, JDPriestly Sep 2015 #61
Rebuttal, on the Goldwater staunch supporter, FACT: Goldwater ran for president in 1964. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #66
She campaigned for him according to Wikipedia. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #69
Did she vote for him? Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #70
Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Sep 2015 #53
I don't get it.... pinebox Sep 2015 #56
Thanks. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #71
Stop being mean to Howard! ibegurpard Sep 2015 #64
And there is this. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #68
More facts about this: (from a report published in 2005) JDPriestly Sep 2015 #74
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